Talking Footy

Well this will end up as media hysteria and thats it. They listened to a stupid ex player in Kyle Reimers, who basically didnt understand his fitness program last year, or had an ax to grind.

Just now on sports SEN, (podcast if you want) ex player Mark McVeigh explained these things:

- the Essendon players were asked to undergo a new fitness regime last year which was introduced by a new fitness staff

- the players specifically requested a consent form be drafted by the club which included guarantees by the club and the AFL that the medications were legal under WADA. They were clearly informed about every supplement they were given.

- a select group of players were taken to a sterile clinic environment for vitamin B12 injections rather than the non-sterile club environment.

- the clubs medical staff including Dr Bruce Reid were fully aware of the contents and legality of the supplements and were totally supportive.

All I can say is: FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC!!!

piesman2011 wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sport- ... 6571172109

MANLY this morning made its first official statement about the sports science man at the centre of one of the biggest drug scandals to rock AFL.

Supplement guru Stephen Dank cut his teeth in rugby league, providing advice and supplements to five NRL clubs, most notably Manly. He also had links to South Sydney, Wests Tigers, Penrith and Cronulla, before switching codes to the AFL last year.

"The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles employed Stephen Dank in an official capacity as a consultant between 2006 and 2010,'' said the statement issued just before 8am.

In 2011, Dank did some consulting for Penrith and also took his expertise to the Cronulla Sharks.
When the season started he became more involved in dealing with players individually, which concerned Sharks doctor David Givney.

According to a Sharks insider, some players began to display mysterious bruising after being given Warfarin to thin their blood and aid the flow of oxygen.
A fall-out between Givney and Dank led to the sports scientist leaving the club.

So he spends 6 years in RL and then gets employed by Essendon in 2012 where he is sacked half way though the year. Very interesting, some of the stuff he did with the Sharks sounds a little strange as well.

the NRL clubs ran him outta town
get the hell outta here ..... with yr needles ... & baboon blood .. we're not into that shit in the NRL

head south
you'll be welcome down there

More deflection from the usual ones.

hahaha.

Xman wrote:

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio ... ation/7043

Deary me Xman and you say we jumped the gun...you got one club man rambling on about it being legit and you're jumping for the moon

My favourite lines.

InterviewerL "Is that doc reid you're talking about?"
McVeigh "Yeah absolutely. Theres no way any player wouldve taken anything unless the doctor said 'no dont touch it'"

Freudian slip much?

McVeigh: "To say that i didnt know what was going into my body is absolutely ridiculous, I think. In my opinion it is ridiculous." I think? In my opinion? the poor man doesnt have a clue what the doctors and trainers were forcing him to take.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio ... ation/7043

Deary me Xman and you say we jumped the gun...you got one club man rambling on about it being legit and you're jumping for the moon

My favourite lines.

InterviewerL "Is that doc reid you're talking about?"
McVeigh "Yeah absolutely. Theres no way any player wouldve taken anything unless the doctor said 'no dont touch it'"

Freudian slip much?

McVeigh: "To say that i didnt know what was going into my body is absolutely ridiculous, I think. In my opinion it is ridiculous." I think? In my opinion? the poor man doesnt have a clue what the doctors and trainers were forcing him to take.

Now that he's implicated the club, the AFL and Doc Reid I am certain this is a total beat up. He wouldn't do that to his own team.

Xman wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio ... ation/7043

Deary me Xman and you say we jumped the gun...you got one club man rambling on about it being legit and you're jumping for the moon

My favourite lines.

InterviewerL "Is that doc reid you're talking about?"
McVeigh "Yeah absolutely. Theres no way any player wouldve taken anything unless the doctor said 'no dont touch it'"

Freudian slip much?

McVeigh: "To say that i didnt know what was going into my body is absolutely ridiculous, I think. In my opinion it is ridiculous." I think? In my opinion? the poor man doesnt have a clue what the doctors and trainers were forcing him to take.

Now that he's implicated the club, the AFL and Doc Reid I am certain this is a total beat up. He wouldn't do that to his own team.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Deary me Xman and you say we jumped the gun...you got one club man rambling on about it being legit and you're jumping for the moon

My favourite lines.

InterviewerL "Is that doc reid you're talking about?"
McVeigh "Yeah absolutely. Theres no way any player wouldve taken anything unless the doctor said 'no dont touch it'"

Freudian slip much?

McVeigh: "To say that i didnt know what was going into my body is absolutely ridiculous, I think. In my opinion it is ridiculous." I think? In my opinion? the poor man doesnt have a clue what the doctors and trainers were forcing him to take.

Now that he's implicated the club, the AFL and Doc Reid I am certain this is a total beat up. He wouldn't do that to his own team.

Typical Xman......................King gives him the words out of the horses mouth and xturd gives you dribble..............................

AFL forced to swallow bitter pill


A HIGH-PROFILE club flaunting unambiguous regulations. A large group of players – unwittingly, or not – using a banned substance to improve strength or aerobic capacity. A systematic and widespread abuse of the rules to which the competition had been hog-tied. Mandatory long-term suspensions imposed by an independent tribunal over which they had no influence.

For the AFL, and other major Australian sports, this was the nightmare scenario. The deep-seated reservation that caused the AFL, particularly, to squirm and prevaricate when, in 2005, the federal government demanded all Australian sports sign the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

Harry Houdini did not work as frantically to escape his bonds as the AFL worked to avoid signing with WADA. It claimed the WADA punishments for recreational drug use were excessive, and adopted its own three-strikes policy as an attempt to fulfil this obligation. It pleaded WADA's list of banned substances was arbitrary, and the program required costly in-house administration.

Inevitably, long after the NRL, cricket and the ARU had caved, the AFL was forced to put pen to paper. It was only when the federal government set a deadline for its threat to withdraw funding from any body that had not signed with WADA that the AFL rolled over.


This was a bitter pill for a competition used to making and administering its own rules and, consequently, presenting a fresh and highly marketable face.

The ill-conceived three-strikes policy has forced the AFL to deal furtively with both the detection and the consequences of an apparently rising tide of recreational drug use. This, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has admitted, means players have been secretly withdrawn from games while in rehabilitation. At the same time, the AFL is now, very publicly, subjected to the consequences of WADA's regime for the detection of performance-enhancing drugs. Something that could, notionally, wipe out an entire club.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a ... z2KC7egpor

PLAYERS have been repeatedly forced to miss matches because of serious breaches of the league's controversial illicit drug policy.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/AFL/AFL-pl ... 6571330136



Clearly to everybody bar Blind feddy (xman) the AFL has a drug problem, recreational drugs problem and performance enhancing(cheating) drug problem.

You can all lay the Blame on your leader Mr Demetrio who has lead you down this path of turmoil.

Time that someone called for this blokes resignation, he has put policies in place that are ruining the integrity of the AFL.

eelofwest wrote:

AFL forced to swallow bitter pill


A HIGH-PROFILE club flaunting unambiguous regulations. A large group of players – unwittingly, or not – using a banned substance to improve strength or aerobic capacity. A systematic and widespread abuse of the rules to which the competition had been hog-tied. Mandatory long-term suspensions imposed by an independent tribunal over which they had no influence.

For the AFL, and other major Australian sports, this was the nightmare scenario. The deep-seated reservation that caused the AFL, particularly, to squirm and prevaricate when, in 2005, the federal government demanded all Australian sports sign the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

Harry Houdini did not work as frantically to escape his bonds as the AFL worked to avoid signing with WADA. It claimed the WADA punishments for recreational drug use were excessive, and adopted its own three-strikes policy as an attempt to fulfil this obligation. It pleaded WADA's list of banned substances was arbitrary, and the program required costly in-house administration.

Inevitably, long after the NRL, cricket and the ARU had caved, the AFL was forced to put pen to paper. It was only when the federal government set a deadline for its threat to withdraw funding from any body that had not signed with WADA that the AFL rolled over.


This was a bitter pill for a competition used to making and administering its own rules and, consequently, presenting a fresh and highly marketable face.

The ill-conceived three-strikes policy has forced the AFL to deal furtively with both the detection and the consequences of an apparently rising tide of recreational drug use. This, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has admitted, means players have been secretly withdrawn from games while in rehabilitation. At the same time, the AFL is now, very publicly, subjected to the consequences of WADA's regime for the detection of performance-enhancing drugs. Something that could, notionally, wipe out an entire club.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a ... z2KC7egpor

PLAYERS have been repeatedly forced to miss matches because of serious breaches of the league's controversial illicit drug policy.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/AFL/AFL-pl ... 6571330136



Clearly to everybody bar Blind feddy (xman) the AFL has a drug problem, recreational drugs problem and performance enhancing(cheating) drug problem.

You can all lay the Blame on your leader Mr Demetrio who has lead you down this path of turmoil.

Time that someone called for this blokes resignation, he has put policies in place that are ruining the integrity of the AFL.

Hey, not just AFL, but Australian sport as a whole, we'll be a laughing stock if this gets real deep.

Patrick smith was just on SEN. He claims 4 players were on 1 strike last year and were forced to miss games while in treatment. The issue he has is nothing to do with strikes or treatment. He has an issue with the doctor telling the club the player can't play during their treatment and that the real reason is concealed.

big deal Patrick. Players are entitled to their privacy dumbarse!

While it has been confirmed that Essendon medical staff, including veteran club doctor Bruce Reid, raised questions about the controversial supplements, the Essendon players have confirmed they signed consent forms that stated the substance administered was acceptable under the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Code.

The assurances were sought by the leadership group and notably David Hille and skipper Jobe Watson.
A specially convened meeting of Bombers senior-listed players and the AFL Players Association on Wednesday heard that the forms were signed in the presence of Essendon senior coaching staff, doctors and the fitness staff. Coach James Hird, who on Wednesday voiced his support for the suspended Robinson, witnessed the forms being handed out and signed.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/c ... z2K8hjwnI6

:D

This will be over soon and the media should hang their heads in shame!

Heres another story

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2dz2w.html

The whole thing is speculation at this stage. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.