Talking Footy

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Problem is with so few fans going to games why would they bother upgrading stadiums? Theyll never get a return.

scared ..... as our average rises to over 20K ..... & the VFL's drops below 30K
the days of VFL fans proclaiming

:

Neither will happen. AFLs crowds will rise from here. The NRLs haven't risen since 2005 levels. 20k!

hmmmmm
what would one prefer

no rise ... but no drop either
or

a drop of 15% in 3 years ... & almost certainly another 5 to 10% in the coming 3...


oh marcus .... away with the pixies again

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

scared ..... as our average rises to over 20K ..... & the VFL's drops below 30K
the days of VFL fans proclaiming

:

Neither will happen. AFLs crowds will rise from here. The NRLs haven't risen since 2005 levels. 20k!

hmmmmm
what would one prefer

no rise ... but no drop either
or

a drop of 15% in 3 years ... & almost certainly another 5 to 10% in the coming 3...


oh marcus .... away with the pixies again

What would one prefer? A drop in attendance average due to a 150% rise in the number of games played in expansion states? Or no growth with no expansion?

Nice one Dave, keep it up!

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

Yawn this is news...................ah Beassie posting every story under the sun.....bad thread is bad....

hes lost it

called out as a gutless germ by myself yesterday
hes now posting utter rubbish in some desperate attempt to make the NRL look like its in crisis


this is the future of our game
more & more games in bigger stadia ... equals larger attendances & a growing average in unison with an ever growing membership base
they'll be several Sydney sides with over 30K members by 2017
there'd be no room for them in small suburban grounds ....

our strategic plan essentially alludes to this
no news here

have all the strategic plans you want. RL fans consistently prefer TV to attendance. I can't see that changing quickly

as we double our memberships in the next 5 years .... a % of these new members will engage their clubs at games on top of the core support they already have at games
the Broncos will have well ova 40,000 members by 2017 .. the Bulldogs .. Dragons .. Souths .. Newcastle .. all 30,000 .. Parra , the Tigers ... even the Storm ..20,000
all big games in Sydney involving the above ... at ANZ or the SFS
all pulling 30K plus

its not going to .. not .. happen
deal with it

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Neither will happen. AFLs crowds will rise from here. The NRLs haven't risen since 2005 levels. 20k!

hmmmmm
what would one prefer

no rise ... but no drop either
or

a drop of 15% in 3 years ... & almost certainly another 5 to 10% in the coming 3...


oh marcus .... away with the pixies again

What would one prefer? A drop in attendance average due to a 150% rise in the number of games played in expansion states? Or no growth with no expansion?

Nice one Dave, keep it up!

what
you think we'd prefer to expand .... & get smaller ... & smaller ... & smaller !!



no thanks
you can have that ...........

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

hes lost it

called out as a gutless germ by myself yesterday
hes now posting utter rubbish in some desperate attempt to make the NRL look like its in crisis


this is the future of our game
more & more games in bigger stadia ... equals larger attendances & a growing average in unison with an ever growing membership base
they'll be several Sydney sides with over 30K members by 2017
there'd be no room for them in small suburban grounds ....

our strategic plan essentially alludes to this
no news here

have all the strategic plans you want. RL fans consistently prefer TV to attendance. I can't see that changing quickly

as we double our memberships in the next 5 years .... a % of these new members will engage their clubs at games on top of the core support they already have at games
the Broncos will have well ova 40,000 members by 2017 .. the Bulldogs .. Dragons .. Souths .. Newcastle .. all 30,000 .. Parra , the Tigers ... even the Storm ..20,000
all big games in Sydney involving the above ... at ANZ or the SFS
all pulling 30K plus

its not going to .. not .. happen
deal with it

Double memberships in next 5 years......

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

hes lost it

called out as a gutless germ by myself yesterday
hes now posting utter rubbish in some desperate attempt to make the NRL look like its in crisis


this is the future of our game
more & more games in bigger stadia ... equals larger attendances & a growing average in unison with an ever growing membership base
they'll be several Sydney sides with over 30K members by 2017
there'd be no room for them in small suburban grounds ....

our strategic plan essentially alludes to this
no news here

have all the strategic plans you want. RL fans consistently prefer TV to attendance. I can't see that changing quickly

as we double our memberships in the next 5 years .... a % of these new members will engage their clubs at games on top of the core support they already have at games
the Broncos will have well ova 40,000 members by 2017 .. the Bulldogs .. Dragons .. Souths .. Newcastle .. all 30,000 .. Parra , the Tigers ... even the Storm ..20,000
all big games in Sydney involving the above ... at ANZ or the SFS
all pulling 30K plus

its not going to .. not .. happen
deal with it

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

hmmmmm
what would one prefer

no rise ... but no drop either
or

a drop of 15% in 3 years ... & almost certainly another 5 to 10% in the coming 3...


oh marcus .... away with the pixies again

What would one prefer? A drop in attendance average due to a 150% rise in the number of games played in expansion states? Or no growth with no expansion?

Nice one Dave, keep it up!

what
you think we'd prefer to expand .... & get smaller ... & smaller ... & smaller !!



no thanks
you can have that ...........

Clanger 7 for Dave today!

Smaller average doesnt equal small total dumbarse!

More games, more crowds in Sydney (up about 60% on last year), more crowds in Tasmania (up 100% on 2 yrs ago), more crowds in Brisbane (up 50% on 2 yrs ago)...

There's one club who should actually be worried about this and that's Manly. They'll only go to Brookvale.

If I remember my reading of opinions in Melbourne papers, there is some critcism of the dumping of suburban grounds for poor drawing matches. That is, when locals play interstate teams. I think they were saying that they should be playing those poor drawing games at Visy Park. If so then I agree, and not just because it would give the Storm some room to make a play for Etihad!! Smaller venues cost less to run. So if for example West Tigers play their poor drawing games at either Leichardt or Campbelltown and the big ones at Allianz or ANZ it would work and be cost effective. Cronulla can do the same and so could Penrith. But they should keep their grounds for games.

Manly want the upgrade because they know their fans won't travel, even to Allianz. Packs of losers the lot of them. But they have the money on the north shore themselves so they should fund it privately. I guess the issue is government permission. I don't like the Sea Eagles fans and they should be prepared to travel, but that's no reason to force them out of their home ground any more than any other club.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

What would one prefer? A drop in attendance average due to a 150% rise in the number of games played in expansion states? Or no growth with no expansion?

Nice one Dave, keep it up!

what
you think we'd prefer to expand .... & get smaller ... & smaller ... & smaller !!



no thanks
you can have that ...........

Clanger 7 for Dave today!

Smaller average doesnt equal small total dumbarse!

VFL total with 176 games in 2010 6,511,120
VFL total with 198 games in 2012 6,245,514






oh good lord
marcus .....

Striker wrote:

There's one club who should actually be worried about this and that's Manly. They'll only go to Brookvale.

If I remember my reading of opinions in Melbourne papers, there is some critcism of the dumping of suburban grounds for poor drawing matches. That is, when locals play interstate teams. I think they were saying that they should be playing those poor drawing games at Visy Park. If so then I agree, and not just because it would give the Storm some room to make a play for Etihad!! Smaller venues cost less to run. So if for example West Tigers play their poor drawing games at either Leichardt or Campbelltown and the big ones at Allianz or ANZ it would work and be cost effective. Cronulla can do the same and so could Penrith. But they should keep their grounds for games.

Manly want the upgrade because they know their fans won't travel, even to Allianz. Packs of losers the lot of them. But they have the money on the north shore themselves so they should fund it privately. I guess the issue is government permission. I don't like the Sea Eagles fans and they should be prepared to travel, but that's no reason to force them out of their home ground any more than any other club.

given that the majority of AFL teams have memberships over the capacity of suburban grounds I'd say they'd be fine with it..

But those memberships are all in Melbourne, X? Come on. The total memberships in Melbourne would go close to exceeding the city's population!! Not everyone has an AFL club membership you know! Or are you claiming they do? Not only that not every member goes to games!

Striker wrote:

But those memberships are all in Melbourne, X? Come on. The total memberships in Melbourne would go close to exceeding the city's population!! Not everyone has an AFL club membership you know! Or are you claiming they do? Not only that not every member goes to games!

Why would a Melbourne AFL team want to play at a suburban ground with poorer facilities when their membership base exceeds the grounds capacity? Let alone the fact that leaves little room for walk up general public. Far better spending revenue on decent stadiums not splitting it amongst smaller grounds.

Because they can't fill the bigger stadiums when they play poor opponents (Giants, Suns......) and could not cover costs that way!

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

what
you think we'd prefer to expand .... & get smaller ... & smaller ... & smaller !!



no thanks
you can have that ...........

Clanger 7 for Dave today!

Smaller average doesnt equal small total dumbarse!

VFL total with 176 games in 2010 6,511,120
VFL total with 198 games in 2012 6,245,514






oh good lord
marcus .....

Hawthorn and the kangaroos play games in Tasmania. They sacrifice 15-20k a game for this expansion. There are also less local derbies because teams are more spread through the country.

Something the NRl know little about,

Tasmania should have it's own club! Hawthorn and North Melbourne should be playing their poor drawing games at Visy Park to gain maximum profit.