AFL Umps v NRL Refs which is more difficult and skillful?

[TLPG]

I rest my case. "good done" indeed!

[King-Eliagh]

I'll just say that this is a jaded attempt by KE to try and cover his rear end over his claims that he understands the game. He fails, because the comments are simple from the point of view of a spectator who could well have seen footy and thugby just once or twice at the most.

That's all I'm going to say in this thread.

Well what a negative nelly response we have here. And in typical TLPG style, distorted and confused to the max.

[King-Eliagh]

Yep was thinking of the crowd factor too, especially in the many tricky decisions which must be made within 0.5 of a secondotherwise the game could swing to the other end in a flash. The running i forgot. More running for AFL umps yes, by a bit, but nrl refs dont stop running all game...and there's only (recently) two Refs on the pitch...

I would argue that even though umpiring AFL is hard because of interpretation umpiring league is harder.The nature of the scoring in league means that decisions right or wrong play a bigger role.The higher the scoring the less impact a bad decision makes.Look at basketball a decision every minute yet rarely do you hear complaints about the refs.Soccer and league refs are so heavily scrutinised it is frightening.The pressure the league refs are under is enormous with so much chat about there performance each week.No Id rather be the Geisch than Hollywood.He gets smashed weekly.

You're slightly off topic here pookus. Yes I agree the pressure on LEague refs may well be higher. But this thread is about difficulty and skill required in adjudication...

[King-Eliagh]

I have to respond to this because I am being lied about.

1. I did play football at school. My mother had no say in anything. She allowed me to do what I wanted to do (within reason of course!)

What age and what level of footy did you play in at school? I dont think we are referring to kick to kick or a mockup game on the oval at recess

I question your honesty, once again, here TLPG You've told us you never played before a few months ago.... so inconsistent and full of lies you are

[King-Eliagh]

No, Pies, you can't do that with the high tackles because of the effect on the neck. Grabbing around the shoulder is dangerous - and a key difference between footy and thugby (in footy it's illegal and in thugby it's not). It's all about protecting the neck. So it must not change.

It's also not possible to simplify the rules, because it would open up options for players and coaches to get around them. Rules need to be flexible and allow for judgment calls in the circumstances - and this allowance is an inherent part of the complications you are talking about. For instance - it allows for two or more different styles of umpiring even though it's basically the same rules. A good umpire for example would not pay holding the ball purely on it's present interpretation in Under 10's. That's not fair. Give the kids a chance to play the ball because they are far more likely to blow it.

If there is a problem at elite level, it's the tendency to be whistle happy on holding the ball. I'm told on the AFL board here that there was an AFL umpire who did the right thing (apparently on the description) and paid the protection free kick ahead of the holding the ball penalty. I've seen umpires get that wrong, and it infuriates me. I never pay holding the ball if someone has been pushed in the back or grabbed high or whatever else, and neither should anyone else.

I didn't expect to have to post on this thread I have to say!

TLPG you try to bag KE and then contridict yourself,

ah Dogs ..... that would be because my penis has more brains then TPLG
a bigger F wit you will never meet

that clear it up for you ?

[TLPG]

Well what a negative nelly response we have here. And in typical TLPG style, distorted and confused to the max.

You have no idea as usual, KE.

What age and what level of footy did you play in at school? I dont think we are referring to kick to kick or a mockup game on the oval at recess

I question your honesty, once again, here TLPG You've told us you never played before a few months ago.... so inconsistent and full of lies you are

I never said I never played at all. Show me where I said that and I'll correct your context issues. I'll bet I said that I never played for premiership points in a club competition.

I played for my primary school in grade six. I was 11. And it was a proper four quarter game against another primary school.

[King-Eliagh]

So you have played 1 game at the age of 11 and take that as experience as a player? laughable!

[TLPG]

It's more than you've got!

[King-Eliagh]

It's more than you've got!

how little you know. I'll be gearing up for my third season in a few months

Again though the point is. you've played 1 schoolboy game in under 12s and are regarding that as credible playing experience. Shame on you TLPG

[TLPG]

I've played. That's all that matters.

You haven't. Third season my arse! You haven't played a single game in your life.

[King-Eliagh]

Please, members. Ignore the rambling fool and lets get back on topic. I've quite enjoyed the topic thus far.

[TLPG]

We are on topic. You just ran for it again like you always do when confronted with facts.

[King-Eliagh]

What, this topic is about how many games you and I've played?

[TLPG]

Who has the more experience in the game is relevant to the topic at hand.

[King-Eliagh]

We're not talking about one sport here. We're talking about both. And we're not talking about who has the more experience between you and I (even though clearly I've got much more experience when it comes to assessing both codes), we're talking about umps and refs.

Its not all about you TLPG. Sooner you learn that, sooner you become a man.

KE to TLPG - personal mentor tip number 2176.