Talking Footy

I would have thought that NT would at most favour AFL a little but I would say that it is fairly neutral but feel free to not include them if you want.

Im curious. When they move at the age of say 7 like James Segeyaro Goroka does that count? Fair enough they are from when you say they are from, however you said in your Opening post :

eelofwest wrote:

players that grew up playing outside NSW, QLD.

I could probabaly add another 50 players if thats the case.

The NRL is a 2 state game as you guys have said countless times, NT is AFL always has been. James Segeyaro i will remove that one if that is the case.

piesman2011 wrote:

GWS
58. Kurt Aylett (NSW)
59. Josh bruce (ACT)
60. Shaun Edwards (NT)
61. Israel Folau (NSW/Qld)
62. Curtly Hampton (NT)
63. Anthony Miles (NSW)
64. Setanta Ó hAilpín (Ireland)
65. Sam Schulz (NSW)
66. Jacob Townsen (NSW)
67. Mark Whiley (NSW)

Hawthorn
68. Luke Breust (NSW)
69. Cyril Rioli (NT)
70. Matt Suckling (NSW)
71. Brendon Whitcross (Qld)
72. Taylor Duryea (NSW/ACT) not sure which one.
73. Will Langford (NSW)
74. Broc McCauley (Qld)

Melbourn
75. Rohan Bail (Qld)
76. Liam Jurrah (NT)
77.Joel McDonald (Qld)
78. Ricky Petterd (Qld)
79. Jake Spenser (Qld)

Nth Melbourne
80. Hamish MCInosh (NSW)
81. Ben Warren (Qld)
82. Gavin Urquhart (Qld)
83. Majak Daw (Sudan)

Port Adelaide
84. Tom Logan (NT)

Richmond
85. Luke McGuane (Qld)

St Kilda
86. Lenny Hayes (NSW)
87. Raphael Clarke (NT)
88. Nick Riewoldt (Qld)
89. Adam Schneider (NSW)
90. Sam Gilbert (Qld)
91. David Armitage (Qld)
92. Ahmed Saad (Egypt)
93. Justin Koschitzke (NSW)
94. Jackson Ferguson (NSW)

Sydney Swans
95. Craig Bird (NSW)
96. Harry Cunningham (NSW)
97. Nathan Gordon (NSW)
98. Kieren Jack (NSW)
99. Jarrad McVeigh (NSW)
100. Mike Pyke (Canada)
101. Lewis Roberts-Thomson (NSW)
102. Jesse White (Qld)
103. Tommy Walsh (Ireland)
104. Eugene Kruger (South Africa)
105. Jack Lynch (NSW)
106. Dylan McNeil (NSW)

WestCoast eagles
107. Nic Naitanui (Fiji)

Western Bulldogs
108. Dylan Addison (NSW/ACT) not sure which
109. Daniel Cross (NSW)
110. James Mulligan (Qld)
111. Zephaniah Skinner (NT)
112. Jason Tutt (ACT)
113. Tom L. Williams (Qld)


I think that will do I am missing a lot of the NSW (Murry bushrangers recruits) and I havent included generally players who were born overseas. But I think 113 is a good number to finish on.

Yeah good list but need to remove NT players. How big are AFL squads Pies, so we can get a percentile?

Squads are about 850 for the total I would say. I can add a few more but I would say without NT about 120 players

eelofwest wrote:

The NRL is a 2 state game as you guys have said countless times, NT is AFL always has been. James Segeyaro i will remove that one if that is the case.

So much for the commonly used "VFL" troll used by parraeels and co. Aussie rules is clearly national.

NRL Players from outside It’s heartland NSW, QLD


Parramatta Eels

1. Justin Poore WA Perth
2. Daniel Penese in New Zealand
3. Justin Horo Auckland, New Zealand[
4. Luke Kelly Katherine, Northern Territory
5. Fuifui Moana Moimoi Tonga
6. Joseph Paulo NZ Auckland
7. Ben Roberts ,New Zealand
8. Willie Tonga Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

The Canterbury bankstown Bulldogs.

9. Bryson Goodwin WA
10. James Graham England
11. Dene Halatau Invercargill, New Zealand)
12. Sam Kasiano New Zealand Auckland
13. Joel Romelo Darwin NT
14. Martin Taupau Samoa
15. Sam Perrett Auckland, New Zealand

Penrith Panthers

16. Geoff Daniela Auckland, New Zealand)
17. Sam McKendry, Stirling, Western Australia rep New Zealand
18. Nathan Smith Canberra, Australia
19. Etuate Uaisele Tonga
20. Taioalo "Junior" Vaivai Samoa

West Tigers.

21. Adam Blair Whangarei, Northland NZ
22. Gareth Ellis Castleford, West Yorkshire ENG
23. Matt Groat Rankins Springs in the Riverina
24. Masada Iosefa Samoa
25. Benji Marshall Whakatane, New Zealand
26. Junior Moors Auckland, New Zealand
27. Ben Murdoch-Masila New Zealand
28. Tuqiri Korolevu, Fiji
29. Matthew Utai Auckland, New Zealand Samoa

South Sydney Rabitohs.

30. Roy Asotasi Auckland, New Zealand ,Samoa heritage
31. George Burgess Dewsbury, England
32. Luke Burgess Wakefield England
33. Sam Burgess Leeds, West Yorkshire England
34. Issac Luke Hawera, Taranaki NZ
35. Edward "Eddy" Pettybourne Christchurch, New Zealand
36. Fetuli Talanoa New Zealand Tonga
37. Neccrom Areaiiti New Zealand

Sydney Roosters.

38. Josh Ailaomai NZ Maori Samoan
39. Tinirau Arona Cook Islands
40. Anthony Cherrington Auckland, New Zealand
41. Kenny-Dowall Ngaruawahia, New Zealand
42. Mose Masoe Wellington, New Zealand
43. Frank-Paul Nu'uausala Auckland, New Zealand
44. Brad Takairangi Cook Islands
45. Jared Waerea-Hargreaves New Zealand
46. Josh Ailaomai Lower Hutt, New Zealand

Manly SeaEagles

47. Kieran Foran Auckland, New Zealand
48. Liam Foran Auckland, New Zealand
49. Joe Galuvao New Zealand
50. Stephen "Steve" Matai Auckland, New Zealand
51. Dean Whare New Zealand

St George Dragons

52. Leeson Ah Mau New Zealand
53. Jason Nightingale New Zealand

Cronulla Sharks

54. Jeremy Smith Altona Roosters Melbourne, Victoria rep NZ
55. Sam Tagataese Lower Hutt Wellington, New Zealand)

Brisbane Broncos

56. Petero Civoniceva Suva, Fiji
57. Alex Glenn New Zealand
58. Jack Reed Silsden, Keighley, England
59. Ben Te'o New Zealand

North Queensland Cowboys

60. Kalifa Faifai Loa Wellington, New Zealand
61. Cory Paterson Perth, Western Australia
62. James Tamou Levin Palmerston North NZ
63. Jason Taumalolo Auckland, New Zealand)
64. Ricky Thorby New Zealand
65. Antonio Winterstein Auckland, New Zealand

Gold Coast Titans

66. David Mead (formerly Moore) Papua New Guinean
67. Dominique Peyroux New Zealand
68. Bodene Thompson Tauranga, New Zealand
69. Joe Vickery England

Canberra Raiders

70. Bronson Harrison Auckland, New Zealand
71. Matt McIlwrick New Zealand
72. Josh Papalii Auckland) New Zealand

Melbourne Storm

73. Jack Taualii Afamasaga Lower Hutt, New Zealand)
74. Jesse Bromwich Auckland, New Zealand
75. Kenny Bromwich Auckland, New Zealand
76. Will Chambers Gove, Northern Territory
77. Matthew Duffie Pakuranga Auckland, New Zealand
78. Luke Kelly Katherine, Northern Territory
79. Sika Manu Wellington, New Zealand
80. Kevin Proctor Te Kuiti, New Zealand
81. Sisa Waqa Fiji
82. Gareth Widdop Halifax, West Yorkshire / Altona Roosters VIC

Newcastle Knights

83. Wes Naiqama Fiji
84. Tafeaga "Junior" Sa'u New Zealand
85. Akuila Uate Votua, Fiji
86. Evarn Tuimavave Auckland, New Zealand
87. Neville Costigan Rabaul, Papua New Guinea
88. Marvin Filipo Auckland New Zealand
89. Zane Tetevano Tokoroa New Zealand
90. Siuatonga Likiliki Auckland New Zealand

New Zealand Warriors

91. Lewis Brown Christchurch, New Zealand
92. Glen Fisiiahi Auckland New Zealand
93. Pita Godinet Christchurch, New Zealand
94. Ben Henry New Zealand
95. Konrad Hurrell New Zealand
96. Sebastine Ikahihifo New Zealand
97. Shaun Johnson Whangaparaoa New Zealand
98. Kevin Samuel Locke Auckland New Zealand
99. Sam Lousi Auckland New Zealand
100. Sione Lousi Auckland New Zealand
101. Simon Alexander Mannering Wellington New Zealand
102. Alehana Mara Wellington, New Zealand
103. Benedict (Ben) Andrew Matulino Wellington, New Zealand
104. Russell Packer New Zealand
105. Sam Rapira Hamilton, New Zealand
106. Steve Rapira Waikato New Zealand
107. Jerome Ropati Auckland, New Zealand
108. Ukuma Ta'ai Tonga
109. Elijah Taylor Hawera, New Zealand
110. Bill Tupou Auckland, New Zealand
111. Manu Vatuvei Otara Auckland New Zealand

AFL

Collingwood
1. Dayne Beams (Qld)
2. Marty Clark (Ireland)
3. Lachlan Keefe (Qld)
4. Peter Yagmoor (Qld)
5. Jarrad Witts (NSW)
6. Tom Young (NSW)
7.Caolan Mooney (Ireland)
8. Josh Thomas (Qld)
9. Paul Cribbin (Ireland)
10. Michael Hartley (NSW)
11 Shae McNamara (USA)
12. Trent Stubbs (NSW)
Adelaide Crows
13. Kurt Tippett (Qld)
14. Taylor Walker (NSW)
15. Benjamin Dowdell (USA)
16. Sam Martyn (NSW)
Brisbane Lions
17. Claye Beams (Qld)
18. Josh Drummond (Qld)
19. Pearce Hanley (Ireland)
20. Ben Hudson (Qld)
21. Niall McKeever (Ireland)
22. Daniel Merrett (Qld)
23. Andrew Raines (Qld)
24. Bryce Retzlaff (Qld)
25. Brent Staker (NSW)
26. Cheynee Stiller (Qld)
27. Dayne Zorko (Qld)
28. Sam Mitchell (Qld)
29. Richard Newell (NSW)
30. Stephen Wrigley (Qld)
Carlton
31. Dennis Armfield (ACT) moved WA played union most of his junior days.
32. Zach Tuohy (Ireland)
33.Shaun Hampson (Qld)
34. Tom Bell (Qld)
35. Bray Blake (NSW)
36. Mathew Lodge (NSW)

Essendon
37. COurtney Dempsey (Qld)
38. Mark McVeigh (NSW)

Gold Coast
39. Zac Smith (Qld)
40. Jarrod Harbrow (Qld)
41. Alik Magin (Qld)
42. K Hunt (NZ/Qld)
43. Lewis Moss (Qld)
44. Rory Thompson (Qld)
45. Charlie Dixson (Qld)
46. Jackson Allen (Qld)
47. Alex Sexton (Qld)
48. Joel Wilkinson (Qld)
49. Tom Hickley (Qld)
50. Josh Hall (Qld)
GWS
51. Kurt Aylett (NSW)
52. Josh bruce (ACT)
53. Israel Folau (NSW/Qld)
54. Anthony Miles (NSW)
55. Setanta Ó hAilpín (Ireland)
56. Sam Schulz (NSW)
57. Jacob Townsen (NSW)
58. Mark Whiley (NSW)

Hawthorn
59. Luke Breust (NSW)
60. Matt Suckling (NSW)
61. Brendon Whitcross (Qld)
62. Taylor Duryea (NSW/ACT) not sure which one.
63. Will Langford (NSW)
64. Broc McCauley (Qld)

Melbourn
65. Rohan Bail (Qld)
66.Joel McDonald (Qld)
67. Ricky Petterd (Qld)
68. Jake Spenser (Qld)

Nth Melbourne
69. Hamish MCInosh (NSW)
70. Ben Warren (Qld)
71. Gavin Urquhart (Qld)
72. Majak Daw (Sudan)

Richmond
73. Luke McGuane (Qld)

St Kilda
74. Lenny Hayes (NSW)
75. Nick Riewoldt (Qld)
76. Adam Schneider (NSW)
77. Sam Gilbert (Qld)
78. David Armitage (Qld)
79. Ahmed Saad (Egypt)
80. Justin Koschitzke (NSW)
81. Jackson Ferguson (NSW)

Sydney Swans
82. Craig Bird (NSW)
83. Harry Cunningham (NSW)
84. Nathan Gordon (NSW)
85. Kieren Jack (NSW)
86. Jarrad McVeigh (NSW)
87. Mike Pyke (Canada)
88. Lewis Roberts-Thomson (NSW)
89. Jesse White (Qld)
90. Tommy Walsh (Ireland)
91. Eugene Kruger (South Africa)
92. Jack Lynch (NSW)
93. Dylan McNeil (NSW)

WestCoast eagles
94. Nic Naitanui (Fiji)

Western Bulldogs
95. Dylan Addison (NSW/ACT) not sure which
96. Daniel Cross (NSW)
97. James Mulligan (Qld)
98. Jason Tutt (ACT)
99. Tom L. Williams (Qld)

Okay the AFL has 99 players playing outside its heartlands out of a possible 900 players assuming the squads are all squads of 50 like Collingwood.
So %9 of the players in the AFL come from outside its heartland.

So out of a possible 480 players on the NRL squads of 30 we have 111 players that grew up playing outside NSW, QLD.
That is almost %25 of players not from the traditional area’s of NSW, QLD that play in the NRL =D> =D>

Now it would be interesting to see how many players from outside NSW, QLD in the toyota cup to get a gauge on how this list will look going into the future.

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

The NRL is a 2 state game as you guys have said countless times, NT is AFL always has been. James Segeyaro i will remove that one if that is the case.

So much for the commonly used "VFL" troll used by parraeels and co. Aussie rules is clearly national.

Lol Yes xman i have never once disputed the fact that AFL is a more national game then the NRL, i have actually confirmed it several times during my time here on TF.

Eel I have asked a qusetion a few times. You have asked for players that grew up outside of Qld/NWS is that correct? Because I need to know what your definition of grew up outside of a state is defined by.

Here are a few moer names as well for the AFL Eels
All of these players were born in the countries listed. Im not sure how long they spent in those countries as kids. There are more as well.
Shane Savage (NZ)
David Roden (Fiji)
Alipate Carlile (Fiji)
Aaron Edwards (Somoa)
Brad Moran (England)
Jamie O'Reilly (Ireland)
Michael Quinn (Ireland)
Harry O'Brien (Brazil)

Another point is that you have listed players from the Riverina, which is NSW. Surely you have to draw a line some where. So far as well all of your Vic and WA players except maybe Corey Patterson (played in Newcastle in high school) I would classify as bred in NSW/Qld but im happy to accept them just give me an answer because if you are playing by those rules I will have a lot more to add.

Hawthorn
David Hale (Qld)
Ryan Hooper (Qld)
Michael Osbourne (Qld)

Port Adelaide
Brent Renouf (Qld)

GWS
Sam Reid (Qld)

Richmond
Brad Miller (Qld)

piesman2011 wrote:

Eel I have asked a qusetion a few times. You have asked for players that grew up outside of Qld/NWS is that correct? Because I need to know what your definition of grew up outside of a state is defined by.

Here are a few moer names as well for the AFL Eels
All of these players were born in the countries listed. Im not sure how long they spent in those countries as kids. There are more as well.
Shane Savage (NZ)
David Roden (Fiji)
Alipate Carlile (Fiji)
Aaron Edwards (Somoa)
Brad Moran (England)
Jamie O'Reilly (Ireland)
Michael Quinn (Ireland)
Harry O'Brien (Brazil)

Another point is that you have listed players from the Riverina, which is NSW. Surely you have to draw a line some where. So far as well all of your Vic and WA players except maybe Corey Patterson (played in Newcastle in high school) I would classify as bred in NSW/Qld but im happy to accept them just give me an answer because if you are playing by those rules I will have a lot more to add.

I have listed all these players through wikipeadia, so if there is any mistakes you would have to let me know which ones and why these are wrong.

As for your list i really have to check to make sure your list is correct also.

Really want change the Fact that NRL is more popular outside its heartland then the AFL..

I would say that the AFL probabaly has the NRL covered on numbers or at least it would be fairly similar. The NRL has the AFL covered on percentage. Overall you would say that the NRL is able to draw on move talent then the AFL from outside its heartland. It is debatable as to weather the NRL has been the cause of development in places such as NZ. The reason I say this is because whos to say the union didn't contribute in a large way to the initial development of a large percentage of the NZ players and they then decided to cross codes.

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Eel I have asked a qusetion a few times. You have asked for players that grew up outside of Qld/NWS is that correct? Because I need to know what your definition of grew up outside of a state is defined by.

Here are a few moer names as well for the AFL Eels
All of these players were born in the countries listed. Im not sure how long they spent in those countries as kids. There are more as well.
Shane Savage (NZ)
David Roden (Fiji)
Alipate Carlile (Fiji)
Aaron Edwards (Somoa)
Brad Moran (England)
Jamie O'Reilly (Ireland)
Michael Quinn (Ireland)
Harry O'Brien (Brazil)

Another point is that you have listed players from the Riverina, which is NSW. Surely you have to draw a line some where. So far as well all of your Vic and WA players except maybe Corey Patterson (played in Newcastle in high school) I would classify as bred in NSW/Qld but im happy to accept them just give me an answer because if you are playing by those rules I will have a lot more to add.

I have listed all these players through wikipeadia, so if there is any mistakes you would have to let me know which ones and why these are wrong.

As for your list i really have to check to make sure your list is correct also.

Really want change the Fact that NRL is more popular outside its heartland then the AFL..

I dont know which sport is more popular outside of its heartland and I dont really think this is a measurement of popularity. I would say that the NRL can draw on more players then the AFL, however I believe that the AFL itself has developed more players outside its heartland then the NRL who would get players from superleague and from NZ union.

Here is a list of NRL who in my opinion grew up in Qld/NSW but you have them listed as comming from else where:

Justin Poore (WA) Spent his school years in NSW played for NSW SOO
Bryson Goodwin (WA) Born in Sydney played for Cronulla as a junior
Matt Groat Rankins (riverina) I believe that this is still NSW.
David Mead (PNG) played all his junior footy in Lismore New South Wales
Neville Costigan Rabaul (PNG) He moved with his parents to Queensland at a very young age
James Segeyaro Goroka (PNG) although I think you already removed him
Cant find Tuqiri Korolevu is that Lote Tuqiri? who was from Korolevu?
Petero Civoniceva (Fiji) moved to Qld at age 1
Akuila Uate (Fiji) attended Brisbane Waters Senior College and represented Australia and schoolboy level in 2005.[2] As a junior, Uate came 3rd in the underage Australian sprinting finals.
Willie Tonga (ACT) Showing a talent at a young age while living in Peak Hill, New South Wales and the family finally settled in Cherbourg, Queensland.


No doubting these guys birth places or Heritage however most of them seam to be playing all of their footy in NWS/Qld 80% of the players I have checked out so far all are bred in NSW/QLD

piesman2011 wrote:

Here is a list of NRL who in my opinion grew up in Qld/NSW but you have them listed as comming from else where:

Justin Poore (WA) Spent his school years in NSW played for NSW SOO
Bryson Goodwin (WA) Born in Sydney played for Cronulla as a junior
Matt Groat Rankins (riverina) I believe that this is still NSW.
David Mead (PNG) played all his junior footy in Lismore New South Wales
Neville Costigan Rabaul (PNG) He moved with his parents to Queensland at a very young age
James Segeyaro Goroka (PNG) although I think you already removed him
Cant find Tuqiri Korolevu is that Lote Tuqiri? who was from Korolevu?
Petero Civoniceva (Fiji) moved to Qld at age 1
Akuila Uate (Fiji) attended Brisbane Waters Senior College and represented Australia and schoolboy level in 2005.[2] As a junior, Uate came 3rd in the underage Australian sprinting finals.
Willie Tonga (ACT) Showing a talent at a young age while living in Peak Hill, New South Wales and the family finally settled in Cherbourg, Queensland.


No doubting these guys birth places or Heritage however most of them seam to be playing all of their footy in NWS/Qld 80% of the players I have checked out so far all are bred in NSW/QLD

Fair enough i will remove these name from my list.
I am not removing David mead he started out playing footy at a young age in PNG before he moved Lismore to start his junior footy.
Also lotte tuqiri, yes that is his name so will be leaving that 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lote_Tuqiri