What are the head honchos chewing on down at AFL HQ?

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His pay has inflated far as has his weight, far beyond what the players' has. Thems the facts Xman.

He's a fatcat dollar hungry moron.
The AFL has become a billion dollar industry. Despite the fact his income has grown substantially it's still in proportion for a business so large, especially given the great job he's been doing. :wink:
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And the gold for back-flipping goes to ... AFL hierarchy.

INFORMED allegations that AFL clubs have thrown matches. Not helpful. Young and promising footballer found in the gutter unconscious and in possession of an illegal drug. Probably didn't need that. Port Adelaide sacks second coach in four years while feeding on a $9 million AFL subsidy. Not happy. Dane Swan on the grog and suspended. Mmmmm. Thinking setback.
By any code's standards, this has been a disruptive two weeks for the AFL. We could get comment from AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou or commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick but they're in London, the heartland of the indigenous code. Every one of the incidents mentioned above has serious ramifications for the AFL. Tanking cuts directly to the game's integrity; Tom Liberatore's collapse into the gutter outside a Melbourne nightclub challenges the league's adored illegal drug policy; Collingwood champion Swan's alcohol breach exposes the very fluid, flawed culture of the game; and the utter waste of AFL money by Port Adelaide questions the future of the competition structure.
Major issues, all of them. Normally the AFL would be fighting these problems on radio, social media, internet, television and print. But it isn't. Thank God for the Olympics is the league's new motto. The latest and biggest name is Swan, a Brownlow medallist and key to Collingwood premiership hopes, but even his stupidity will be nothing but a shandy if Sally Pearson wins gold in London overnight.
We'll just take one issue. Liberatore, son of gun Bulldogs player Tony, has been suspended for four matches by the club, banned from attending training, fined $5000, and assigned to more counselling than Britney Spears.
The punishment was reached by the club administration in conjunction with the team's leadership group. It is tough but the offence deserved such a serious response. The Bulldogs have formed an almost impeccable reputation lately for the manner in which their players represent the club, its supporters, sponsors and patrons.
But it gets confusing after that. Not for the Bulldogs but the AFL. On Monday afternoon, the league issued a press release which quoted AFL football manager Adrian Anderson: "The club has kept the AFL informed and we are satisfied with the way it has dealt with the matter."
This response by Anderson is in outrageous contrast to the league's own policy which does not ban players but hides drug offenders from public scrutiny. In documents outlining the league's illicit-drug policy and the reason why players are not named even after two positive tests, the AFL includes support from Margaret Hamilton, executive member of the National Council on Drugs.
Part of the professor's testimony is this: "I am aware that the media and community regularly call for tough, confrontational naming and shaming-type responses. In my experience, these are most unhelpful in actually achieving behavioural change."
The AFL documents also carries an open letter signed by 21 drug prevention experts. It reads in part: "We commend and support the AFL and the AFL Players Association for taking a reasoned, sensible and strong leadership stance in relation to these issues, and for resisting the pressures from populist quarters to use such issues for partisan ends. Such populist approaches ignore the mass of evidence that humane harm minimisation and treatment approaches to issues of illicit-drug use are far more effective at diminishing drug-related harm to the individual and the community than are punitive 'name and shame' approaches."
Now, the AFL has taken all this advice very seriously. So seriously that it has been prepared to go to court to suppress the names of players who have tested positive under the league scheme. No doubt it will do this every time a news outlet prepares to name players within the league's rehabilitation program.
Of course, this is at odds with the Western Bulldogs' punishment allotted to Liberatore. You might suggest that Liberatore is being suspended or shamed not because of his drug violation but because of a breach of player rules about curfews and alcohol.
And that might be the case. However, the AFL's treasured letter, signed by the drug prevention boffins, also says: "We further believe that the prime objective of any 'drugs in sport' policy must be the health and welfare of the player concerned. Where this conflicts with another objective of the club concerned, the AFL or the government, the player's welfare must be paramount."
And there's John Currie, the director of addiction medicine at St Vincent's Hospital. The AFL policy proudly quotes him saying: "The most important thing is drug problems are health problems; they're not criminal problems, they're not moral problems and one of the reasons I am so supportive of the AFL's illicit-drug policy is it treats it as a health issue and not as a moral problem or as a criminal problem."
So it is obvious the Bulldogs' punishment of Liberatore defies the AFL illicit-drug policy. The bit about putting the player's health above all else. Keeping offending players within the support structure and certainty of life at a football club. Yet Anderson, the league's architect of the drug regime, supports the very public whack given to Liberatore. A decision that shatters the philosophy and strategy of the illicit policy gets a tick from the league. Madness. Or is it brand management?
The AFL would know if it intervened and made void the four-week ban, the angry shouting from the public would cut through even the saturation Olympic coverage. So it abandons its own policy. And the efficacy of the policy as a deterrent and teacher would appear limp when we look at Liberatore and his gutter slumber.
Gold, gold, gold to the AFL for the fine art of back-flipping.

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Well done AFL HQ.. :lol: :lol:
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:lol:

Didnt Buddy Franklin lose his license for drink driving over the past two weeks?

I think his quote was "I'm a bloody idiot" ... ... yes a telling few weeks indeed. I guess Demetriou's been too busy counting his coin to address these issues properly...
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Well Done AFL HQ =D>

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Collingwood's reaction to Dan Swan is another example of the AFL turning players into robots

Collingwood star midfielder Dane Swan was given a two-week suspension for his Sunday night out at the Hotel Barkly in St Kilda. Picture: Stephen Harman Herald Sun
COLLINGWOOD'S ridiculous overreaction to star midfielder Dane Swan's Sunday night at the Hotel Barkly in St Kilda, and apparent alcohol consumption elsewhere, makes the game a joke.
Who cares if there is some team pact not to drink until the end of the year, and that alcohol is to be avoided six days before a match?
Great sport has to be as much about great individuals and great characters as it does about great teams. Dane Swan is one of the few remaining characters in the game, and because of that personality trait alone he has to be allowed more room than his more ordinary teammates.
And please don't let Eddie McGuire try to tell us it would have been the same if the drinking session and night out had been the last Sunday in August, not the first.
Compare what Swan is being publicly ridiculed for with what young Tom Liberatore got caught up in last weekend. Tom was found staggering around King Street near dawn with an ecstasy tablet in his pocket. The Bulldogs are out of the finals and he's out for the remaining four weeks.
Illegal drugs and an all-night bender from a raw recruit compared with a tidy and calm night out a week before a game from a Brownlow medallist - the two don't compare.
And when it comes to drugs the AFL, with its silly three-strikes drug policy, has no place endorsing the Magpies' outing of Swan. The AFL allows its players to take drugs twice and won't allow the offenders to be publicly identified.

It's OK for one of its clubs to state team policy and dump a genuine star and personality of the game for having a night out, but we know there are drug takers on cocaine and ecstasy playing without financial or personal shame attached.
Australian sport has become dominated by sports science and group-think gurus who preach team is everything.
Well, it's not - and it's that sort of blind belief that cost Jason Akermanis his stellar career when the Bulldogs decided he was too much of an individual. The triple premiership player and Brownlow medallist was sacked for having an opinion on gay footballers and for a loose conversation over lunch about how teammates bullied him.
Imagine the Geelong of the '80s treating Gary Ablett Sr with the sort of schoolboy stuff that Swan is now being subjected to. Luckily, Geelong was coached by another of the AFL's true individuals, Malcolm Blight, and Ablett was allowed the freedom he needed to blossom.
:lol: :lol:
How many games do you think Wayne Carey would have played if North Melbourne had required abstinence and a monk-like existence for its players?
Let's hope Collingwood is being entirely honest with us here and there isn't any more to what Dane Swan did last Sunday night. The Magpies wouldn't want people debating the two-match ban imposed on their star if there is more to it than there appears.
If Swan just went out Sunday night for a few hours, had a couple of drinks and went home, then the two-match ban is a nonsense and the argument that it's good for team morale to make the best player abide by the rules falls over.
It falls in a heap, in fact - because if we believe what we are being told, one or more teammates dobbed him in at Monday's recovery session. Under what bizarre version of team harmony does that make any sense?
We don't know the name of the people who pulled him up, but I'd be betting Dane doesn't look at them the same today as he did last week.
Wow fostering a culture of dibber dobbers, are we all still in High school or what AFL.... :lol: :lol:
During the past month or so, star footballers have been stood down by teammates for sleeping in, and now for doing what every normal 20-something bloke should be able to do on a Sunday night - wind down and have fun with some mates.
Take the characters out of AFL and you will destroy the game. Turn it into robot-driven, sports science-influenced bureaucracy and you might as well follow tennis.
Give me Carey, Ablett Sr and Swan any day.

Get the Dummy out the mouth AFL HQ...... :lol: :lol:
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so the AAFL cop criticism for being too lenient on misbehaving players and also for being too harsh. :roll:

Anything to sell a story :roll:
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Yes thats right Xman. The AFL desperately needs balance. Its either one extreme or the other at the moment with that organisation..not a very credible way to do business.
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Yes thats right Xman. The AFL desperately needs balance. Its either one extreme or the other at the moment with that organisation..not a very credible way to do business.
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No. People in the media are welcome to their opinion, but that doesnt make them right. Its far easier to criticise from the outside, but as the saying goes, you cannot please all the people all of the time. No matter how matters are handled someone will always have an objection, especially if they are paid to do so.

On this matter the Collingwood players made an in house rule that they would not drink on a 6 day break. One of their senior players broke that rule and the club acted. How is this heavy handed? A rule is a rule. He broke it and the club needed to act. If not what does that do for club culture?
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