Jetta first man charged for 'staging' in the AFL comp

[Xman]

Wait punching primitive, Boxing primitive?

MMA primitive, mate you have no idea, boxing is worth 10 times what the AFL is worth and that being generous.

Xman have you ever punched someone before?

Boxing is a brutal sport that has come under immense criticism from the medical profession. Recent evidence about the long term effects of repeated concussion injuries will increase the pressure on this sport even more. In an attempt to control this issue boxers now are forced to undergo regular medical checks including brain MRI to detect evidence of brain injury.

Look at ex boxers like Ali. He is paying the price now.

Yeah thx Dr Phil
So now can you tell me how a invasive heart bypass is done Dr?
Point is you dont know **** and you trying to link brain damage with fistcuffs in NRL is bloody funny.

Sure, I can tell you how Coronary artery bypass graft surgery is performed if you wish.

I am not claiming RL leads to brain damage, although those watching it regularly seem fairly dull I must say.

But the medical evidence is clear: head injury causes permanent brain injury. The NRL and some of you NRL fans encourage deliberate violence that is beyond incidental contact. You're either too stupid to see the connection, or you've already suffered a few too many blows to the cranium! I suspect both.

All it can take is one punch. unnecessary violence is unnacceptable and should nev be encouraged!

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/onepu ... 1jg71.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index ... nds_w.html

[King-Eliagh]

Oh dear. Xman you clutch at straws and fail to reach any depth in your thought whatsoever. Perhaps we should call you 'surface'.

First of all you didnt even know what the term violence meant.

Then you start with your "the medical profession states ..." crap. Are you a doctor? Do you have your white suit on when you bellow this trash onto this forum? A brief look into history shows we should be highly critical of the medical profession and what it claims to be true.

Evidence regarding Ali's condition is sketchy and as far as I can recall many believe he would have developed parkinsons anyway. Furthermore Ali is one boxer out of thousands who havent developed brain injury. So we can disregard your silly claim there. Then you claim that [quote="Xman aka 'surface']the medical evidence is clear: head injury causes permanent brain injury[/quote] Ummm I'm sorry but this is bollocks. I'm certain the vast majority of head injuries i.e. broken jaw, fractured skull etc etc etc etc etc etc cause no permanent brain injury. And lets talk about western medicine a bit more shall we as you seem to speak of it so highly and it may indeed be your profession. All's we have to do is look back a few decades to see western medical concepts have consis puI think you fail to realise thestern medicine

Now give yourself an uppercut and watch the tooheys blues and moroons in action tonight Xman!! I think a stoush early on should set the stage nicely, and considering the shocking record over the last 7 year I'm hoping the blues would instigate and dominate to gain some mental ascendency would be a great idea from the blues if th should set the stage nicely. :D

[Xman]

Oh dear. Xman you clutch at straws and fail to reach any depth in your thought whatsoever. Perhaps we should call you 'surface'.

First of all you didnt even know what the term violence meant.

Then you start with your "the medical profession states ..." crap. Are you a doctor? Do you have your white suit on when you bellow this trash onto this forum? A brief look into history shows we should be highly critical of the medical profession and what it claims to be true.

Evidence regarding Ali's condition is sketchy and as far as I can recall many believe he would have developed parkinsons anyway. Furthermore Ali is one boxer out of thousands who havent developed brain injury. So we can disregard your silly claim there. Then you claim that [quote="Xman aka 'surface']the medical evidence is clear: head injury causes permanent brain injury

Ummm I'm sorry but this is bollocks. I'm certain the vast majority of head injuries i.e. broken jaw, fractured skull etc etc etc etc etc etc cause no permanent brain injury. And lets talk about western medicine a bit more shall we as you seem to speak of it so highly and it may indeed be your profession. All's we have to do is look back a few decades to see western medical concepts have consis puI think you fail to realise thestern medicine

Now give yourself an uppercut and watch the tooheys blues and moroons in action tonight Xman!! I think a stoush early on should set the stage nicely, and considering the shocking record over the last 7 year I'm hoping the blues would instigate and dominate to gain some mental ascendency would be a great idea from the blues if th should set the stage nicely. :D[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
One of the funniest posts I have seen from you!

If brain injury isn't caused by head injury what causes it???

The medical profession have called for boxing to be banned because overwhelming evidence shows repeated head injuries cause brain damage. Please show me evidence where this is in any way disputed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica
Muhammad Ali's Parkinson's disease was said to be caused by his boxing career, but Ali's own physician Ferdie Pacheco MD states in his Book 'Fight Doctor' that Ali's condition is often misquoted and that Ali, in fact, has Parkinson's Syndrome, which he advises is caused by physical trauma.

The rest of your post is just uneducated hot wind!

[King-Eliagh]

Ah you stated "head injury causes permanent brain injury". This suggests that one punch causes permanent brain injury, which is completely untrue and clearly what you are trying to argue. Come to the 'truth' side of the argument Xman :D I dont think a brain injury has ever occurred from any fisticuffs in marngrook or RL.

Basically punching someone in the head is against the rules in RL and it is penalised, rightly so. However it is looked less harshly upon if there is considerable reason for it. i.e. someone intentionally throws a high shot on the opposition. Then the initial infringement is punished, as it should be, as well as those who run in and throw punches. But, they are not thrown out of the game for 10 weeks like they would be under the ridiculous pansy rules of the AFL. No, it would depend on the context in which they threw punches, sometimes they'll only be penalised in the match, and rightly so. The AFL, as you Xman, are not able to dig beneath the surface on this one and show an understanding of the context in which these events take place. Thus sporting values such as 'standing up for your team mates' and 'dont throw cheap shots' are less prominent in the AFL comp than in the RL comp.

[Xman]

Ah you stated "head injury causes permanent brain injury". This suggests that one punch causes permanent brain injury, which is completely untrue and clearly what you are trying to argue. Come to the 'truth' side of the argument Xman :D I dont think a brain injury has ever occurred from any fisticuffs in marngrook or RL.

Basically punching someone in the head is against the rules in RL and it is penalised, rightly so. However it is looked less harshly upon if there is considerable reason for it. i.e. someone intentionally throws a high shot on the opposition. Then the initial infringement is punished, as it should be, as well as those who run in and throw punches. But, they are not thrown out of the game for 10 weeks like they would be under the ridiculous pansy rules of the AFL. No, it would depend on the context in which they threw punches, sometimes they'll only be penalised in the match, and rightly so. The AFL, as you Xman, are not able to dig beneath the surface on this one and show an understanding of the context in which these events take place. Thus sporting values such as 'standing up for your team mates' and 'dont throw cheap shots' are less prominent in the AFL comp than in the RL comp.

Wow! You really are a fool!

Saying head injury causes permanent brain injury is a true statement, just like saying smoking causes lung cancer. The links are clearly proven. But not every smoker gets lung cancer, and not every head injury causes brain damage. The term doesn't specify the frequency.

[King-Eliagh]

I'm sorry Xman, but you can throw these statements around all you like but they are not proving any point, hence my calling you up on it. You simply bandy out medical statements as though they are relevant to RL or MArngrook. I'm sorry but last I read we were talking abotu sport not medicine. The frequency is very relevant in this case and head injuries causing brain damage, to the best of my knowledge, has never occurred in either code. You with the program yet sunshine?

[Xman]

On a related note, State of Origin should be a ripper this wednesday, plenty of passion ensures the chance of fisticuffs is increased. Perhaps some of the AFL fans will take note and see the importance of allowing the odd fist to be thrown in the heat of battle.

These are your words above. They show you not only condone unecessary physical assault in RL, but you even encourage it!

I have provided evidence demonstrating that assaults like this, involving blows to the head, result in brain damage. Yes contact sports involve head high contact. They are incidental collisions that are inevitable in contact sports despite deliberate rules to protect players well being. But brawling is not a necessary part of any sport and should never be encouraged!

You're a primitive low-life!

[King-Eliagh]

OH dear god, mr PC coming in with his moral judgement on violence in sports, which by their very nature are highly violent. Xman, do you believe in a world where we should all be making love and eating fairyfloss? Seriously, violence is part of human instinct, its been around since day diddly, in so called 'primitive' cultures, and violence is around on a much larger scale today in the 'contemporary' society where you live Xman, sitting on your couch making surface level judgement on physical combat on a sporting field.

Now I never once said brawling should be necessary and go unpunished. It should be understood as something which may occur during the heat of battle. Last night in the SOO for example, several players had a fairly good stoush in the origin, none were penalised except for the one who ran 20metres and flew, quite fantastically, and threw a "superman punch" (as my female colleague at work just described). He got penalised and fair enough. But he wont get 8 weeks on the side line like he would from the AFL. No the NRL understands violence is innate within humans and that in a game which involves violence we cannot expect to punish innevitable outbursts. In the AFL, because of the rules, the players result to more 'dirty' behaviours, such as shoulder charging injured players as they leave the field, and the jumper punch, and yes the topic of this thread...staging.

[Xman]

OH dear god, mr PC coming in with his moral judgement on violence in sports, which by their very nature are highly violent. Xman, do you believe in a world where we should all be making love and eating fairyfloss? Seriously, violence is part of human instinct, its been around since day diddly, in so called 'primitive' cultures, and violence is around on a much larger scale today in the 'contemporary' society where you live Xman, sitting on your couch making surface level judgement on physical combat on a sporting field.

Now I never once said brawling should be necessary and go unpunished. It should be understood as something which may occur during the heat of battle. Last night in the SOO for example, several players had a fairly good stoush in the origin, none were penalised except for the one who ran 20metres and flew, quite fantastically, and threw a "superman punch" (as my female colleague at work just described). He got penalised and fair enough. But he wont get 8 weeks on the side line like he would from the AFL. No the NRL understands violence is innate within humans and that in a game which involves violence we cannot expect to punish innevitable outbursts. In the AFL, because of the rules, the players result to more 'dirty' behaviours, such as shoulder charging injured players as they leave the field, and the jumper punch, and yes the topic of this thread...staging.

Bottom line is violence is illegal in society and punished in sport. Yet you condone it.

Don't try and wiggle out of it now you cretin!

[King-Eliagh]

Violence is legal and unpunished in sport. Refer to the meaning of violence again. Sheesh this is like comprehension 101 in here

[Xman]

Violence is legal and unpunished in sport. Refer to the meaning of violence again. Sheesh this is like comprehension 101 in here

If you seriously don't know the difference between legal collisions in a contact sport and agressive acts of thuggary such as brawling, which you endorsed, you're a complete clown!

[King-Eliagh]

Ahh did i say they were the same? Sheesh its like comprehension 101 in here.

[Xman]

Ahh did i say they were the same? Sheesh its like comprehension 101 in here.

Well then stop this "violence is in all sports" bs! Sheesh!

You know exactly what I was referring too.

[King-Eliagh]

Ahhh did i say violence was in all sports? Sheesh is there a class below comprehension 101? If yes get yourself enrolled Xman.

[eelofwest]

Ahhh did i say violence was in all sports? Sheesh is there a class below comprehension 101? If yes get yourself enrolled Xman.

I have said this at least 4 times to Xman since i started posting on this site, Mate get of the gungar its making you hallucinate.