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Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
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there'd be 6 VFL clubs who'd take their cash in a heartbeat

but theres a problem

PNG'ers have no time for vicky kicky :wink:
There are also no AFL teams who need their money. The AFL look after their teams. The NRL....... #-o
:lol: :lol: :lol:

gee
delusional much
half your comp is near insolvent

VFL clubs 45 Million in debt ... & that number gets bigger each year

shame PNG'ers don't like your abortion of a sport
&
love ours :wink:
What a fool! #-o

Almost all that debt is for hawthorn, collingwood and carlton, 3 of the richest AFL clubs who earn 170m between them! That's more than 11 NRL clubs!

Debts alone isnt bad you dunce! If they can service this debt, which they can easily, it's absolutely fine. Haven't you got a mortgage? #-o

Few AFL clubs asked for extra AFL assistance which the AFL can easily accommodate.

Meanwhile the NRL...... :lol: no sponsor here, no CEO there, no fans here, no members there..... :lol:
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My god, how messed up financially is this club. Way to go Searle. As for David Gallop and co. Didn't you lot see this coming. What a mess.

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Australian Rugby League Commission must launch investigation into Gold Coast Titans
Peter Badel
The Courier-Mail
March 15, 2012 12:00AM

AUSTRALIAN Rugby League Commission chairman John Grant must launch an immediate inquiry into the Gold Coast Titans and the administration of the club under managing director Michael Searle.

Revelations that the Australian Tax Office lodged an application last month to have the Titans' property arm wound up, a matter which was heard in the Federal Court yesterday, must spark concern at NRL headquarters.

The ATO subsequently withdrew their application, but the fact the tax office had made legal moves against the Titans and that Reed Constructions, which completed the Centre of Excellence, may yet push on with wind-up proceedings, paints a worrying picture for the club.

Gold Coast were hailed as a valuable jewel in rugby league's crown when they were issued an NRL licence in May 2005, but the club's series of off-field sagas cannot be helping the code, whose chiefs are attempting to broker a record TV rights deal.

At a time when AFL is making serious inroads into the Gold Coast consumer market with the Suns, the NRL requires a Titans team to be successful, financially robust, administratively sound and, perhaps above all, squeaky clean.

Instead, alarm bells are ringing.

The Titans currently hold the wooden spoon, crowd figures have dropped and Searle has been forced to weather repeated queries about the Titans' fiscal health following a slew of legal battles that have cost the club an estimated $3-4 million.

The Titans last year faced a painful legal battle with former builders Simcorp over money owing on the Centre of Excellence.

Amid the wrangle, the Queensland Office of State Revenue also launched court action against the Titans, suing the club for $226,278 in unpaid payroll tax.

Yesterday, the Titans found themselves back in court against a lawyer representing Reed Constructions, which is understood to be seeking $1.5 million after taking over the Centre of Excellence project from now-defunct Simcorp.

There are two sides to the story but none of this can be good for Titans players or their fans, or the game as a whole.

That is why it is time for the newly-institued ARLC and NRL boss David Gallop to act.

At the heart of the problem is the Titans' governance structure, which would raise eyebrows in the business world.

Searle, who owns an estimated 80 per cent of the Titans, is ostensibly a one-man show. The Titans have no club board, which means Searle can make business decisions and run the club as he sees fit.

No other NRL club is run in such a manner, not even privately-owned Souths, whose Hollywood owner Russell Crowe answers to a board of directors.

Rugby league desperately needs a thriving Gold Coast team to stave off the AFL, but in their current state the Titans could join the surfeit of sporting carcasses that line the holiday strip.

The global financial crisis has done little to help Searle build the Titans brand. It is time for the Commission to help clear the dark clouds.

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GOLD Coast Titans boss Michael Searle made an impassioned plea yesterday for local fans to come back to home games or watch the club that took nine years to build disintegrate in less than two.

Skilled Park seats 27,400 and two years ago the Titans regularly pulled 20,000. Since the middle of last year, that has dwindled to just under 13,000 and last weekend -- this season's first home game with new big-name signings like Jamal Idris, Nate Myles and Luke Douglas playing -- that number dropped to 11,000.

The Titans need 15,000 to break even and want to see again the days of 20,000, starting with tomorrow night against Melbourne. Stars like Billy Slater, Cam Smith and Cooper Cronk in the Storm side will help.

The Titans' major sponsor, iSelect, came up with an offer of a free ticket to the home game against Canterbury on April 1 for every fan who turns up tomorrow night if the Gold Coast lose.
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:lol: giving away tickets now! They are in deep shite! #-o
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The tittians going bust on the 23rd is just an nrl plot to undermine the Swans Vs Giants openner on the 24th.
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At the very worst PNG will take over the franchise? Whats the problem? No interest fror the AFL from overseas I guess is sad :wink:
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At the very worst there will be one less nrl team unless they take the opportunity to axe the Sharks as well...
or the rudderlessess....or any of the other.
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pussycat wrote:
At the very worst PNG will take over the franchise? Whats the problem? No interest fror the AFL from overseas I guess is sad :wink:
Really? Since when is this a done deal? PNG are one of the poorest countries in the world! #-o
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So what crowd are people tipping for today's titans game vs the storm? Surely after such a desperate plea for support from their owner, and the offer that fans will get free entry to the next home game if they lose to the storm :lol: they should get a minimum crowd of 20k. :-k

Funny thing is a lot of the crowd will be hoping they lose! :lol:

So, how many? 20k? 25k? Anything less would be a massive fail.
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With free tickets on offer and the desperate pleas for the Gold Coast community to support the Titans who will be playing an inform Storm, anything less than a full house will be a massive embarrassment.

PNG will no doubt be watching with a keen interest.
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Oh lord! 11k, and that looks like a gross exaggeration! Even the bait of free tickets isnt enough to get the people of the GC to go see the titans! #-o #-o #-o
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Clearly there was not 11k there yesterday. Fudge, fudge.

The Titans are well and truly stuffed.
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Hmm, Mr Gallop, what's doin...

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NRL clubs concerned about Titans
Wayne Heming
March 21, 2012 - 4:29PM

Rival NRL clubs are deeply concerned by Gold Coast's financial plight with some fearing the club could "fall over" unless the ARL Commission steps in and examines its viability.

Alarmed chief executives, who did not wished to be named, want the game's newly appointed ARL Commission to urgently carry out its own probe into the Titans amid talk the club is battling massive debts.

The Titans go back to court on Friday, this time to battle Reed Constructions, who are seeking $1.4 million for completing work on the $20 million centre of excellence at Robina.

Titans chief executive Michael Searle insists the club's property arm is totally separate from its rugby league operations, and that the football club is not in strife.

Searle called the players together late last week to update them on the club's situation.

There are growing concern within the NRL fraternity that the Titans are on shaky ground with creditors closing in.

"There's a great deal of concern and even fear among NRL clubs that the Gold Coast are going to collapse financially because of widespread debts," one chief executive told AAP.

Another club boss said the Commission had to act to assure other NRL clubs the Titans were viable into the future before the code - battling the AFL on two fronts on the Gold Coast and Sydney's outer west - was made to "look bad".

Commission chief executive David Gallop told AAP on Wednesday the situation was being closely monitored.

"We can appreciate some of the concerns being expressed by clubs when they see another suffering financial stress," Gallop said. "However the fact remains we have been monitoring the Gold Coast situation and been in constant dialogue with the club for some months.

"We've also had external consultants look into the club towards the end of last year to review the situation and we've asked them to do further work at this club this week."

Gallop said it was important to remember the court proceedings related to the property investment rather than the football club.

"Michael (Searle) is working extremely hard within the existing business that he has contributed significantly, and he deserves to be given every opportunity," Gallop said.

Significant debts hanging over the Gold Coast Titans (Property) Pty Ltd, and pending court action by creditors combined with speculation the bank may foreclose on its loans, have sparked concerns about the club's future viability.

Searle has given public assurances the Titans are sustainable and will continue to be so in the future.

Apart from the $1.4 million Reed Construction claim, the Titans are also in dispute with the centre's original builder Simcorp which says it's owed $4.2 million from work it carried out in 2010 on the multi-level building. Searle insists that debt has been paid.

In recent months the club has splashed out millions recruiting stars Jamal Idris, Nate Myles and Beau Champion on multi-year deals. This week they splurged close to $2 million to lure South Sydney giant Dave Taylor to the club next season, and they are rumoured to be already working on their next target, Melbourne halfback Cooper Cronk.

"They need to operate the footy club in the normal course - and the normal course includes recruiting players as long as they're within the salary cap rules," said Gallop. "At this stage we don't intend to interfere."

But the Titans' massive spending doesn't sit well with a lot of NRL clubs hearing they are being propped up financially.

"They (Titans) just keep signing marquee players while the vultures (creditors) are circling," said a concerned club official.

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaki ... 1vjuf.html
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Beaussie wrote:
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NRL clubs concerned about Titans
Wayne Heming
March 21, 2012 - 4:29PM

Rival NRL clubs are deeply concerned by Gold Coast's financial plight with some fearing the club could "fall over" unless the ARL Commission steps in and examines its viability.

Alarmed chief executives, who did not wished to be named, want the game's newly appointed ARL Commission to urgently carry out its own probe into the Titans amid talk the club is battling massive debts.

The Titans go back to court on Friday, this time to battle Reed Constructions, who are seeking $1.4 million for completing work on the $20 million centre of excellence at Robina.

Titans chief executive Michael Searle insists the club's property arm is totally separate from its rugby league operations, and that the football club is not in strife.

Searle called the players together late last week to update them on the club's situation.

There are growing concern within the NRL fraternity that the Titans are on shaky ground with creditors closing in.

"There's a great deal of concern and even fear among NRL clubs that the Gold Coast are going to collapse financially because of widespread debts," one chief executive told AAP.

Another club boss said the Commission had to act to assure other NRL clubs the Titans were viable into the future before the code - battling the AFL on two fronts on the Gold Coast and Sydney's outer west - was made to "look bad".

Commission chief executive David Gallop told AAP on Wednesday the situation was being closely monitored.

"We can appreciate some of the concerns being expressed by clubs when they see another suffering financial stress," Gallop said. "However the fact remains we have been monitoring the Gold Coast situation and been in constant dialogue with the club for some months.

"We've also had external consultants look into the club towards the end of last year to review the situation and we've asked them to do further work at this club this week."

Gallop said it was important to remember the court proceedings related to the property investment rather than the football club.

"Michael (Searle) is working extremely hard within the existing business that he has contributed significantly, and he deserves to be given every opportunity," Gallop said.

Significant debts hanging over the Gold Coast Titans (Property) Pty Ltd, and pending court action by creditors combined with speculation the bank may foreclose on its loans, have sparked concerns about the club's future viability.

Searle has given public assurances the Titans are sustainable and will continue to be so in the future.

Apart from the $1.4 million Reed Construction claim, the Titans are also in dispute with the centre's original builder Simcorp which says it's owed $4.2 million from work it carried out in 2010 on the multi-level building. Searle insists that debt has been paid.

In recent months the club has splashed out millions recruiting stars Jamal Idris, Nate Myles and Beau Champion on multi-year deals. This week they splurged close to $2 million to lure South Sydney giant Dave Taylor to the club next season, and they are rumoured to be already working on their next target, Melbourne halfback Cooper Cronk.

"They need to operate the footy club in the normal course - and the normal course includes recruiting players as long as they're within the salary cap rules," said Gallop. "At this stage we don't intend to interfere."

But the Titans' massive spending doesn't sit well with a lot of NRL clubs hearing they are being propped up financially.

"They (Titans) just keep signing marquee players while the vultures (creditors) are circling," said a concerned club official.

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaki ... 1vjuf.html
We are about to see the titans get some serious sunburn now the AFL season is starting. :lol:
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THE new Australian Rugby League Commission is discussing the extraordinary option of letting the embattled Gold Coast die and starting from scratch with a new franchise on the south-east Queensland tourist strip.

The ARLC has employed independent auditors from a major Sydney firm who are presently on the Gold Coast and are scheduled to report back this week with a more complete picture of the Titans' financial status.

The club is in dire straits due to debt relating to the Centre of Excellence next to Skilled Park, with some estimations that the total figure owed to financiers the Commonwealth Bank, contractors and others stretches as high as $30 million.

Titans boss Michael Searle, who has a share of nearly 80 per cent in the club, maintains the organisation can get back on track by selling the training facility and property trust, as the football club itself is profitable.

Only three days ago the club signed Dave Taylor to a four-year contract worth a reported $1.8 million. Searle said last night claims that the Titans owe close to $30 million are ''a lie and completely misleading''.

However, the Herald has learnt that a series of options have been drawn up by the ARLC to combat the crisis should the troubles of the Titans' property arm impact gravely on the lifespan of the club.

They include a possible bailout and parachuting in of a new administration to run the Titans or, potentially, to allow the winding-up of the club and establish a replacement entity on the Gold Coast under a new licence. In such a scenario a Gold Coast team could stay in the NRL but possibly with a new name, logo and colours.

The latter is a last-resort alternative as the ARLC is concerned about alienating the public in a competitive sports market where the AFL is driving enormous funding to back their franchise, the Suns.

The members of the ARLC met on Tuesday and the Titans' problems were a key subject. Speaking yesterday, ARLC chief executive David Gallop would not detail the plans being weighed up by the new body running the game but said that auditors would have an assessment of the Titans' financial position shortly.

''Clearly it's a concern and we're in constant dialogue with Michael. There are a range of options but it's too early to say which option will be needed,'' Gallop said. ''It's not appropriate to go into what was discussed [on Tuesday] but clearly the commission were given a full update of where things are at.

''We are currently gathering as much information as we can regarding the financial position of the property investment and the football club. We've got some outside people assisting us with that and hopefully that information will be available in the next few days.''

Searle, one of the architects of the rugby league's independent commission and a visionary who set up the annual All Stars game, has been left to scramble as the Titans' property arm, Gold Coast Titans (Property) Pty Ltd, comes under pressure.

Despite spiralling property prices hitting hard on the anticipated value of the Centre of Excellence, he is adamant the Titans will survive and escape the maelstrom by selling the facility. They also plan to restructure the football club with the introduction of a partly independent board made up of two or three prominent Gold Coast figures as well as those with capital invested in the club.

Searle said last night the decision had been made to sell the Centre of Excellence. He also brushed off concerns that its sale price may not come close to matching the Titans' debt, and that the Titans' future was in immediate danger. ''We've made a decision to get rid of it,'' he said. ''We would only sell it if we eliminated all the debt - we're not going to sell it and say 'we still owe money'. We'll work with our bankers to come up with a solution. It's not as if it's not going to sell.''

Searle admitted he had approached the NRL late last year for funding support but said that was primarily to combat the AFL's insurgency on the Gold Coast. Searle claimed that request was the reason ARLC auditors were in town.

The sale of the Centre of Excellence would, in fact, benefit the football club significantly by easing costs, he said. ''The financial position of the club in 2013 is even stronger than it is in 2012,'' he said. ''We're profitable in 2012 and in '13 we're profitable again and with the [sale] of the property trust relieving the debt, we're $1.5 million a year better off.''
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugb...321-1vkcq.html

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March 22, 2012
THE new Australian Rugby League Commission is discussing the extraordinary option of letting the embattled Gold Coast die and starting from scratch with a new franchise on the south-east Queensland tourist strip.

The ARLC has employed independent auditors from a major Sydney firm who are presently on the Gold Coast and are scheduled to report back this week with a more complete picture of the Titans' financial status.

The club is in dire straits due to debt relating to the Centre of Excellence next to Skilled Park, with some estimations that the total figure owed to financiers the Commonwealth Bank, contractors and others stretches as high as $30 million.

Titans boss Michael Searle, who has a share of nearly 80 per cent in the club, maintains the organisation can get back on track by selling the training facility and property trust, as the football club itself is profitable.

Only three days ago the club signed Dave Taylor to a four-year contract worth a reported $1.8 million. Searle said last night claims that the Titans owe close to $30 million are ''a lie and completely misleading''.

However, the Herald has learnt that a series of options have been drawn up by the ARLC to combat the crisis should the troubles of the Titans' property arm impact gravely on the lifespan of the club.

They include a possible bailout and parachuting in of a new administration to run the Titans or, potentially, to allow the winding-up of the club and establish a replacement entity on the Gold Coast under a new licence. In such a scenario a Gold Coast team could stay in the NRL but possibly with a new name, logo and colours.

The latter is a last-resort alternative as the ARLC is concerned about alienating the public in a competitive sports market where the AFL is driving enormous funding to back their franchise, the Suns.

The members of the ARLC met on Tuesday and the Titans' problems were a key subject. Speaking yesterday, ARLC chief executive David Gallop would not detail the plans being weighed up by the new body running the game but said that auditors would have an assessment of the Titans' financial position shortly.

''Clearly it's a concern and we're in constant dialogue with Michael. There are a range of options but it's too early to say which option will be needed,'' Gallop said. ''It's not appropriate to go into what was discussed [on Tuesday] but clearly the commission were given a full update of where things are at.

''We are currently gathering as much information as we can regarding the financial position of the property investment and the football club. We've got some outside people assisting us with that and hopefully that information will be available in the next few days.''

Searle, one of the architects of the rugby league's independent commission and a visionary who set up the annual All Stars game, has been left to scramble as the Titans' property arm, Gold Coast Titans (Property) Pty Ltd, comes under pressure.

Despite spiralling property prices hitting hard on the anticipated value of the Centre of Excellence, he is adamant the Titans will survive and escape the maelstrom by selling the facility. They also plan to restructure the football club with the introduction of a partly independent board made up of two or three prominent Gold Coast figures as well as those with capital invested in the club.

Searle said last night the decision had been made to sell the Centre of Excellence. He also brushed off concerns that its sale price may not come close to matching the Titans' debt, and that the Titans' future was in immediate danger. ''We've made a decision to get rid of it,'' he said. ''We would only sell it if we eliminated all the debt - we're not going to sell it and say 'we still owe money'. We'll work with our bankers to come up with a solution. It's not as if it's not going to sell.''

Searle admitted he had approached the NRL late last year for funding support but said that was primarily to combat the AFL's insurgency on the Gold Coast. Searle claimed that request was the reason ARLC auditors were in town.

The sale of the Centre of Excellence would, in fact, benefit the football club significantly by easing costs, he said. ''The financial position of the club in 2013 is even stronger than it is in 2012,'' he said. ''We're profitable in 2012 and in '13 we're profitable again and with the [sale] of the property trust relieving the debt, we're $1.5 million a year better off.''
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugb...321-1vkcq.html

Oh dear! #-o
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oh thats Hilarious
who wrote this story ... Andy Ididaphoo ?

the ARLC will not abdandon the Gold Coast ... seeing as we're near to running the Thuns outta town
why would we ? :wink:
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