Talking Footy

NSWAFL wrote:

King, you are completely ignoring the premiership factor. On the field on average the Storm have been more successful in their entire existence than the Swans since they've been in Sydney. Way more successful. And yet look at the membership figures. I call that shabby to a very high level. There's definitely something wrong in Camp Storm and you'd be a fool to deny it. (Decided not to change this after Xman posted while I was typing)

The Storm are a much maligned club. Have the swans ever had all their premiership points and a title stripped before?

I'm not suggesting there is nothing wrong with that membership number. I'm highlighting the poor comparisons made and that given the circumstances, in comparison, the storm dont look too shabby at all.

Lets not forget, we all know the AFL has a bigger culture of fostering memberships than in league, largely due to RL being such a 'made for tv sport'. With this in mind I think the Storm are going great guns =D>

King-Eliagh wrote:

It may sound like a "story" to you Xman, but I'll let you know this is 'fact'. Your simple "6k vs 4k" and the "swans being far ahead" comparison would be laughed at by statisticians worldwide. Its simply has little statistical power and very low valididty. The mediating factors are clear to see. And I wont bother highlighting them again as you seem unable to learn this. I will ask though, are you able to get the number of south melbourne supporter memberships who are now sydney members? This would be interesting.

There are mediating factors on both sides. Things in the storms favour:

Melbourne love sport

Melbourne are familiar with memberships

Melbourne storm have had great success for a number of years

Melbourne storm have a new stadium

The cheating incident galvanized many storm fans

The storm are the only NRL team in Melbourne

Storm have been in existence for 14 years now

They are expected to have another great year

They have a team full of champions who are loved by fans around the world? I hate RL and even I like slater and smith!


Things against the giants:

They are the second AFL team in a city that You guys openly champion has no interest in ARs

Sydney people are yet to fully embrace memberships

They are yet to even play a game. Therefore they will not have won the hearts of any Sydney person. In fact the vast majority are completely unknown, even to AFL fans.

They are expected to finish last. Not be competitive, not make the finals. LAST, without even a win.

They are playing in the suburbs with limited access in comparison. This will surely be a detraction for people considering members when compared to the great access for the storms ground.


Enough factors there to suggest the storm should be way way ahead.

They are not.

We are laughing.

The general membership issue that Xman talks about is right. Melbourne is used to memberships thanks to the AFL promoted culture. So in fact they should have a lot more members than they actually have combined with all the factors Xman mentioned.

Wow, even xman finally admits the culture of the Northern states in regards to memberships is a new thing, thus, all you guys and he himself wanking on about lower memberships in RL is now a moot point.

But it needs to change, because rugby clubs need the revenue when the clamp gets put on the pokies.

Well durrrrr, what do you think the membership drives have been all about for the last 4 years?

From under 10k across the whole comp to over 180,000 last year.

Which is still a joke for a code that is supposed to be monster sized popular.

Still kills your code in TV viewing, merchandise sales, playing numbers and general interest, it also has more major populations represented in the top tier.

Raiderdave wrote:

Storm had 12K last year .. they'll have that many again .. probably more in 2012

I thought it was closer to 10k but what's a few k here or there eh?

In any case, perhaps you could explain why such a successful team on the field struggles so badly for relevance in a sports mad city like Melbourne?

$11 million handouts from the NRL/News Ltd each and every year. My god, how sustainable is that? Imagine a few bad years on the field and how much those $11 million annual handout would blow out to. Scary thought isn't it.

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Still kills your code in TV viewing, merchandise sales, playing numbers and general interest, it also has more major populations represented in the top tier.

Absolute rubbish.

1. Look at the tv deals and grand final tv ratings.

2. With more members and supporters it is obvious we naturally would have bigger merchandise sales. That's a given for crying out loud.

3. Player numbers. Refer to the ABS report. There is a thread here in TFC.

4. General interest. We have a thriving national competition with the third biggest average crowds in the world. You lot are still confined in reality to just two states in Australia with pathetic crowd averages. Melbourne Storm's membership numbers here also highlight your lack of appeal outside of NSW and QLD.

Anyway, don't take my word for it, look at my signature. Raiderdave's own words there.

King-Eliagh wrote:

The Storm are a much maligned club. Have the swans ever had all their premiership points and a title stripped before?

No, and they haven't had the string of grand final appearances that the Storm have had.
The Sydney Swans would've had a huge following with similar onfield ratings.

Beaussie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Storm had 12K last year .. they'll have that many again .. probably more in 2012

I thought it was closer to 10k but what's a few k here or there eh?
In any case, perhaps you could explain why such a successful team on the field struggles so badly for relevance in a sports mad city like Melbourne?

$11 million handouts from the NRL/News Ltd each and every year. My god, how sustainable is that? Imagine a few bad years on the field and how much those $11 million annual handout would blow out to. Scary thought isn't it.

11,917
& as I said


wouldn't the AFL love to get away with handing out just $11 Million to GWS & the thuns
they'd spend that on them.. each .. in a few months
& will have to for a long long time

Andy Dimmerswitch wakes at night in a cold sweat
what the F have we done he screams [-o<

Xman you present an interesting array of mediating factors which strengthen my argument. The comparison Beaussie put up is rubbish. Could you or perhaps beaussie now care to inform me on numbers of canberran members of GWS and melbournian members of the swans?

King-Eliagh wrote:

Could you or perhaps beaussie now care to inform me on numbers of canberran members of GWS and melbournian members of the swans?

Do your own dirty work. Where do you think you are ?
As you guys aptly put it, this is TFC.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman you present an interesting array of mediating factors which strengthen my argument. The comparison Beaussie put up is rubbish. Could you or perhaps beaussie now care to inform me on numbers of canberran members of GWS and melbournian members of the swans?

I'll help out here E

nearly 50% Canberran for GWS ... ( meaning only about .. 2K Sydneysiders have actually signed up for them for 2012 so far )
nearly 33% Melb for the Swans