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That's a positive sign for nrl .. Growth of just under 1000 on averages . Baby steps but in the right direction. I think they are aiming for 20000 average for the year ? Or see that as a bench mark as to where they would like it to be. Still, compared to swans average crowd numbers it is comparatively low. I don't think that's a measure of the support for nrl by the way , I think it is about changing the culture to get the large supporter base to games. There in lies the challenge I think. If they can get large crowds to SOO it tells us that the old arguements that it is better to watch on tv falls flat as people would stay home and watch SOO too. I think it is a chicken and egg thing. If people go to games and the atmosphere is electric , which comes with a stadium being near full, they will go back to more games. Thus building a culture if going to the game to get the buzz of the atmosphere. Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere, and build crowds from this base. Not for all games but maybe a lot .. Stop having the larger 40000 plus stadiums for now. If people get turned away that's okay, short term pain.

Phelpsy wrote:

That's a positive sign for nrl .. Growth of just under 1000 on averages . Baby steps but in the right direction. I think they are aiming for 20000 average for the year ? Or see that as a bench mark as to where they would like it to be. Still, compared to swans average crowd numbers it is comparatively low. I don't think that's a measure of the support for nrl by the way , I think it is about changing the culture to get the large supporter base to games. There in lies the challenge I think. If they can get large crowds to SOO it tells us that the old arguements that it is better to watch on tv falls flat as people would stay home and watch SOO too. I think it is a chicken and egg thing. If people go to games and the atmosphere is electric , which comes with a stadium being near full, they will go back to more games. Thus building a culture if going to the game to get the buzz of the atmosphere. Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere, and build crowds from this base. Not for all games but maybe a lot .. Stop having the larger 40000 plus stadiums for now. If people get turned away that's okay, short term pain.

I agree with you on a couple of things Phelpsy, you've raised some good points. I could'nt agree more about the "changing culture" point, being a Sydneysyding NRL lover i attend as many games as I can, I just do'nt see why the supporters don't turn up like the AFL. The excuse that NRL is a better TV sport and AFL is better live is a load of shit, they are both genuine products to watch live at the game, the thing that the NRL lacks is atmosphere at the games because no one turns up. I think it is just the mentality of an NRL fan, AFL & Soccer fans have a mentality of actually getting to the game to watch it, NRL fans are more reluctant. More has be done by the NRL though, the NRL admin aare a joke compared to the AFL's and David Gallop now in soccer, is making Dave Smith look like a fool with the success of the Wanderers. The fans are not being heard either turning them off the game!
I'm glad that you agree with more point about growth even if it is a small step, you get one eyed code followers saying but thats not growth bla bla bla, when it's obvious that it is. I think the strategic visoion for the NRL was to increase crowd averages to 20,000 by 2017 so it's a good sign they they are already off the mark in achieving this goal. The NRL could learn alot about the way the AFL have conducted their growth in Oz. The thing RL has over the AFL is international football, recently it has'nt even used it to an advanatge but with the new NRL rep weekend, I am hoping that this will get the Pacific nations a chance to develop, the Samoa Vs Tonga game tommorow night (in front a good crowd in Penrith) should be massive and for the sake of every League fan I hope we see alot more of these games in the future.

Good post Brandz

piesman2011 wrote:

Good post Brandz

Thanks

Update

NRL
Brisbane – 24,646
*Canterbury-Bankstown – 16,300
*Canberra – 8,221
*Cronulla – 9,000
*Gold Coast – 8,064
Manly – 9,597
Melbourne – 13,608
Newcastle – 16,066
*New Zealand – 8,607
North Queensland – 10,548
Parramatta – 15,326
*Penrith – 5,875
St.George Illawarra – 19,226
South Sydney – 24,784
Sydney – 12,282
*Wests Tigers – 10,885

*Numbers unknown

Brandz, 1st rate post, agree totally, have nothing against RL hope it continues to prosper, after all life pretty boring without variety. I think ur right about culture, maybe they need a rationalisation of stadiums - big advantage for Melb is that crowds were big because of good accessibility e.g. Trams, trains and buses within easy reach. When they centralised the grounds this made it even easier and provided better facilities for the fans. (Ps only tell Raiderdave that NRL shit to wind him up, because its fun!). Anyway good post!

Brandz wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

That's a positive sign for nrl .. Growth of just under 1000 on averages . Baby steps but in the right direction. I think they are aiming for 20000 average for the year ? Or see that as a bench mark as to where they would like it to be. Still, compared to swans average crowd numbers it is comparatively low. I don't think that's a measure of the support for nrl by the way , I think it is about changing the culture to get the large supporter base to games. There in lies the challenge I think. If they can get large crowds to SOO it tells us that the old arguements that it is better to watch on tv falls flat as people would stay home and watch SOO too. I think it is a chicken and egg thing. If people go to games and the atmosphere is electric , which comes with a stadium being near full, they will go back to more games. Thus building a culture if going to the game to get the buzz of the atmosphere. Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere, and build crowds from this base. Not for all games but maybe a lot .. Stop having the larger 40000 plus stadiums for now. If people get turned away that's okay, short term pain.

I agree with you on a couple of things Phelpsy, you've raised some good points. I could'nt agree more about the "changing culture" point, being a Sydneysyding NRL lover i attend as many games as I can, I just do'nt see why the supporters don't turn up like the AFL. The excuse that NRL is a better TV sport and AFL is better live is a load of shit, they are both genuine products to watch live at the game, the thing that the NRL lacks is atmosphere at the games because no one turns up. I think it is just the mentality of an NRL fan, AFL & Soccer fans have a mentality of actually getting to the game to watch it, NRL fans are more reluctant. More has be done by the NRL though, the NRL admin aare a joke compared to the AFL's and David Gallop now in soccer, is making Dave Smith look like a fool with the success of the Wanderers. The fans are not being heard either turning them off the game!
I'm glad that you agree with more point about growth even if it is a small step, you get one eyed code followers saying but thats not growth bla bla bla, when it's obvious that it is. I think the strategic visoion for the NRL was to increase crowd averages to 20,000 by 2017 so it's a good sign they they are already off the mark in achieving this goal. The NRL could learn alot about the way the AFL have conducted their growth in Oz. The thing RL has over the AFL is international football, recently it has'nt even used it to an advanatge but with the new NRL rep weekend, I am hoping that this will get the Pacific nations a chance to develop, the Samoa Vs Tonga game tommorow night (in front a good crowd in Penrith) should be massive and for the sake of every League fan I hope we see alot more of these games in the future.

why don't you get down on bended knee & give all the fumbleballers a blowie
drivel from one end of this post to the other

a more ignorant load of shit I have never read
good job

Phelpsy wrote:

Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere, and build crowds from this base. Not for all games but maybe a lot .. Stop having the larger 40000 plus stadiums for now. If people get turned away that's okay, short term pain.

seriously champ .... what are you on about

Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere,

Brookvale , Kogarah , Leichardt , Campbelltown , Centrebet , Shark Park , WIN stadium , Parramatta Stadium , Blue Tongue
they're all.. boutique ... & all used currently
any of these venues when full is an amazing experience... old school maybe but a packed out suburban ground .. right in the tree & leaf lined suburbs with cars everywhere & people walking toward the venue ten thick along all the streets around the ground is something we haven't lost as a game & hopefully .. never will completely..
its interesting that the VFL is looking at going .. back.. to this for some of its games

but we're now past the stage you are advocating
we're in the stage of moving our larger games to Sydney's larger stadia already ... & slowly Sydneysiders are adjusting & undertsanding NRL games won't always be played down the road from their house & they may have to travel a bit to see their side.
For Souths & Bulldogs fans .. they have already adjusted.

big crowds like Good Friday & next weeks ANZAC game at the SFS .. will no longer be once in a while events , they will be a lot more regular & on the back of membership growth , all crowds at the SFS & ANZ will get bigger
boutique grounds wil always be used .. but mainly for out of town sides ... but in 5 years
you won't see the Dragons & Souths at Kogarah anymore
or Parramatta & the Tigers at Leichardt

they'll be at the bigger grounds ... attracting crowds well in excess of the suburban grounds capacities....

Good points Dave. Lets hope your right and crowds start getting to more and more games of nrl

Dave, have to admit you nailed it, I think no matter what the average punter thinks and loves ground rationalisation will happen, because of operating costs and the expense involved in maintaing suburban grounds it will force many clubs hands. Manly is the one team that the NRL should really look at either putting some money into their ground or relocate as it is difficult to get too without a car and pretty bad on the hill when wet. But I agree with all your points.

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Raiderdave wrote:

Brandz wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

That's a positive sign for nrl .. Growth of just under 1000 on averages . Baby steps but in the right direction. I think they are aiming for 20000 average for the year ? Or see that as a bench mark as to where they would like it to be. Still, compared to swans average crowd numbers it is comparatively low. I don't think that's a measure of the support for nrl by the way , I think it is about changing the culture to get the large supporter base to games. There in lies the challenge I think. If they can get large crowds to SOO it tells us that the old arguements that it is better to watch on tv falls flat as people would stay home and watch SOO too. I think it is a chicken and egg thing. If people go to games and the atmosphere is electric , which comes with a stadium being near full, they will go back to more games. Thus building a culture if going to the game to get the buzz of the atmosphere. Maybe then the nrl needs to use smaller boutique stadiums that hold 10 to 15 thousand so people get that atmosphere, and build crowds from this base. Not for all games but maybe a lot .. Stop having the larger 40000 plus stadiums for now. If people get turned away that's okay, short term pain.

I agree with you on a couple of things Phelpsy, you've raised some good points. I could'nt agree more about the "changing culture" point, being a Sydneysyding NRL lover i attend as many games as I can, I just do'nt see why the supporters don't turn up like the AFL. The excuse that NRL is a better TV sport and AFL is better live is a load of shit, they are both genuine products to watch live at the game, the thing that the NRL lacks is atmosphere at the games because no one turns up. I think it is just the mentality of an NRL fan, AFL & Soccer fans have a mentality of actually getting to the game to watch it, NRL fans are more reluctant. More has be done by the NRL though, the NRL admin aare a joke compared to the AFL's and David Gallop now in soccer, is making Dave Smith look like a fool with the success of the Wanderers. The fans are not being heard either turning them off the game!
I'm glad that you agree with more point about growth even if it is a small step, you get one eyed code followers saying but thats not growth bla bla bla, when it's obvious that it is. I think the strategic visoion for the NRL was to increase crowd averages to 20,000 by 2017 so it's a good sign they they are already off the mark in achieving this goal. The NRL could learn alot about the way the AFL have conducted their growth in Oz. The thing RL has over the AFL is international football, recently it has'nt even used it to an advanatge but with the new NRL rep weekend, I am hoping that this will get the Pacific nations a chance to develop, the Samoa Vs Tonga game tommorow night (in front a good crowd in Penrith) should be massive and for the sake of every League fan I hope we see alot more of these games in the future.

why don't you get down on bended knee & give all the fumbleballers a blowie
drivel from one end of this post to the other

a more ignorant load of shit I have never read
good job

Wow Dave, I swear to god I have never met a more arrogant and one-sided turd in my whole life.

Brandz wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Brandz wrote:

I agree with you on a couple of things Phelpsy, you've raised some good points. I could'nt agree more about the "changing culture" point, being a Sydneysyding NRL lover i attend as many games as I can, I just do'nt see why the supporters don't turn up like the AFL. The excuse that NRL is a better TV sport and AFL is better live is a load of shit, they are both genuine products to watch live at the game, the thing that the NRL lacks is atmosphere at the games because no one turns up. I think it is just the mentality of an NRL fan, AFL & Soccer fans have a mentality of actually getting to the game to watch it, NRL fans are more reluctant. More has be done by the NRL though, the NRL admin aare a joke compared to the AFL's and David Gallop now in soccer, is making Dave Smith look like a fool with the success of the Wanderers. The fans are not being heard either turning them off the game!
I'm glad that you agree with more point about growth even if it is a small step, you get one eyed code followers saying but thats not growth bla bla bla, when it's obvious that it is. I think the strategic visoion for the NRL was to increase crowd averages to 20,000 by 2017 so it's a good sign they they are already off the mark in achieving this goal. The NRL could learn alot about the way the AFL have conducted their growth in Oz. The thing RL has over the AFL is international football, recently it has'nt even used it to an advanatge but with the new NRL rep weekend, I am hoping that this will get the Pacific nations a chance to develop, the Samoa Vs Tonga game tommorow night (in front a good crowd in Penrith) should be massive and for the sake of every League fan I hope we see alot more of these games in the future.

why don't you get down on bended knee & give all the fumbleballers a blowie
drivel from one end of this post to the other

a more ignorant load of shit I have never read
good job

Wow Dave, I swear to god I have never met a more arrogant and one-sided turd in my whole life.

Unfortunately for the nRL, there are many more fans just as ******** as Dave. Scum like them hold back the nRL.

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