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Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:41 am
by Raiderdave
Collingwood players admit to drug use to AFL medical officerby:


A GROUP of Collingwood players self-reporting drug use to the AFL was one of the catalysts for tomorrow's historic drugs summit.
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The Herald Sun can reveal the Magpies players - understood to be at least four - contacted the AFL medical department after one night's activities late last season.

The players escaped a strike under a contentious provision in the AFL's Illicit Drugs Policy.

Self-reporting occurs when a player admits to an AFL medical officer to having used drugs, whether deliberately or inadvertently.

It is not only Collingwood players who are reporting drug use to the AFL.

Magpies president Eddie McGuire last night was furious when contacted for comment.

"You're telling me that, but as far as I know at the Collingwood Football Club there is a clean slate because no player as far as I know has had any strikes, because we are not told," McGuire said.



"And that you've been told something two days before a drugs summit which was specifically called for by Collingwood dismays me greatly.

"It shows this drugs policy now to be a farce, where the one thing people could hold the hat on was confidentiality.

"If there is a problem at Collingwood, and even if I suspected something, I have no powers. This is the AFL's problem, why tell me?"

Speaking again on Triple M's Hot Breakfast this morning, McGuire reiterated he knew nothing of the story and accused the AFL of leaking to the Herald Sun.

"I'll tell you what I'm really filthy about is that this story could have only come from one place - it could have only come from the AFL," McGuire said.

"They're the ones that have the information.

"It strikes me as a bit odd that the day before we have a drug summit that has probably brought the heat on a whole lot of the issues involved here that has been fostered by the Collingwood Football Club, that suddenly it becomes a Collingwood issue.

"It ain't a Collingwood issue and we don't care because you know what? We're actually taking this on head on, we're saying there's a problem."

Magpies chief executive Gary Pert raised the need of a drugs summit when he spoke on the eve of the national draft of an alarming use of illegal drugs by players in the off-season.

He later described the players' behaviour as "volcanic".

The AFL yesterday would not confirm the the club with the raft of self-reporting players.

Self-reporting has been described as a loophole in the drugs policy - some players have taken advantage of the strike-free confession more than once.

The drugs summit tomorrow will discuss limiting self-reports to one a year per player.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said last night any loophole in the system would be eradicated.

"There's no doubt there is an agreement any loophole that can be used will be closed," Demetriou said.

The loopholes include a group of players self-reporting, just as the Magpies players did, or a player consistently self-reporting.

Praising the self-reporting mechanism, Demetriou said it encouraged players to come forward if "they have made a mistake or have an issue".

"What it has uncovered is blokes who have got mental health issues or other issues and it allows them to get treatment," Demetriou said.

"And then all those guys go into target testing.

"If they didn't self-notify they wouldn't be target tested or have their medical issues come to the fore."

Demetriou said one self-report per player per season would be one of many discussion points tomorrow.

"That's a topic that's already been discussed and it might be one of the resolutions," Demetriou said.

"There's no firm view about where we end up other than everyone knows there is a loophole that has to be closed."

Demetriou said he was expecting a spike in positive drug tests, not from testing hair in the off-season, which he said had shown no dramatic change, but from regular in-competition testing.

"We don't know why (there is a spike) ... is it a case of it being one bad year?" Demetriou said.

"Is it in line with what happening in the community where there has been a 21 per cent increase in drug use among young people?

"Is it peer pressure? It could be all those things.

"And, also, the police will talk about this ... it's freely available."

Demetriou said the summit wouldn't be confined to drugs, and would include discussion on alcohol and whether it could be beneficial to allow players to drink more through the season so their off-season wouldn't be so alcohol charged.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6563808439


wow
what a low seedy game .... rife with drugs
even eddie Mc chins is now saying the VFL's drug policy is a farce ... an utter farce


keep yr children away from this vile filthy sport ...... [-( [-( [-(

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:00 pm
by Pete_09
Raiderdave I am sure as many people do drugs in the NRL as the AFL. SO get over it mate.

Heaps of people do drugs these days so why should AFL/NRL be any different.

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:34 pm
by ParraEelsNRL
lol

If happened in RL, it's a RL problem only, happens in Vfl, it's a problem of society ](*,)

Fucking disgrace.

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:53 pm
by Pete_09
Umm what!?!?!

It is a problem in society so why does the NRL feel the need to sweep it under the carpet yet the AFL show real balls bringing it to the publics attention.

Well done AFL, showing the way yet again

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:58 pm
by King-Eliagh
Yes Pete, a fairish question, why should the AFL/NRL be any different? I'll tell you why. Because the AFL's drug policy is a shambles, as Eddie Maguire (and many others) knows and states. It's soft i.e. players can:

1. use drugs and stay anonymous
2. get three strikes before receiving anything other than a slap on the wrist and 30min weekly counseling sessions
3. be protected by coming clean AFTER a weekend on the amphetamines with some half cocked sob story if they think they might get caught.

Do you seriously think players who choose to do drugs wouldn't abuse such a setup? So in other words AFL players' careers nor their reputations are on the line if they decide to take their party drugs and run the gauntlet of the random drug testing.

Clearly players are abusing the policy and loop holes have been found. Hence it'd be wise to believe that AFL players are more likely to take their AFL provided liberty to take drugs with minimal risk, compared to NRL players under the more strict and stringent NRL policy.

Just tellin it like it is, your educator,

King-Eliagh :cool:

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:10 pm
by Stewie
The nRL probably don't even do drug tests, hence why you never hear about it. The ones that test positive to drugs will just get swept under the carpet, or named an immortal of the sport just years after they retire! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:24 pm
by King-Eliagh
Ahh stewie, the slightly dumber brother of pete, thanks for responding.

No the NRL dont do drug tests. They provide the clubs and those on the ground with the authority to do the testing. And numerous players have tested positive and received the wrath. The message is loud and clear, your reputation and career is on the line if you're employed by the NRL and dabble with drugs.

And how's that brownlow medalist benny cousins of late? Oh and the guy AFL supporters still call 'god'? How's 'god' doin? :lol:

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:57 pm
by Dogs
Stewie wrote:
The nRL probably don't even do drug tests, hence why you never hear about it. The ones that test positive to drugs will just get swept under the carpet, or named an immortal of the sport just years after they retire! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You accuse RL of sweeping the problem under the carpet, when your own policy ignores the problem. 3 strikes and as long as the player comes forwards, no strike :lol: pull your head in stewie

http://www.thefullwiki.org/List_of_off- ... ue_players

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:01 pm
by Stewie
King-Eliagh wrote:
Ahh stewie, the slightly dumber brother of pete, thanks for responding.

No the NRL dont do drug tests. They provide the clubs and those on the ground with the authority to do the testing. And numerous players have tested positive and received the wrath. The message is loud and clear, your reputation and career is on the line if you're employed by the NRL and dabble with drugs.
The clubs do the drug tests? wow, just wow.

What's the bet the clubs don't report a thing if they catch their best player doing drugs multiple times? I'd rather officials not connected tot he club to the testing, that way results are actually accurate.

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:21 pm
by Pete_09
I dont see how naming & shaming is going to help the player that is doing drugs. Look at America for example, they have zero tolerance on drugs & now there jails are way overcrowded with people who have just smoked a bit of weed. They should be in a rehab centre getting help from doctors which is exactly what the AFL do when the person gets caught for the first time.

Naming a shaming will just ruin peoples lifes who really have just had a bit of a good time in there off season

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:47 pm
by Stewie
Dogs wrote:
Stewie wrote:
The nRL probably don't even do drug tests, hence why you never hear about it. The ones that test positive to drugs will just get swept under the carpet, or named an immortal of the sport just years after they retire! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You accuse RL of sweeping the problem under the carpet, when your own policy ignores the problem. 3 strikes and as long as the player comes forwards, no strike :lol: pull your head in stewie

http://www.thefullwiki.org/List_of_off- ... ue_players
Maybe if the nRL actually released their results and recorded the amount of tests etc like the AFL does, I'd have a different view on how the nRL acts towards drugs. But at the moment it seems like they don't do a damn thing.

FYI Travis Tuck was kicked out of the AFL after 3 strikes. Ignoring the problem still?

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:53 pm
by King-Eliagh
Naming and shaming is simply consequence for actions that are against the rules. The AFL? No consequences, just a lil counseling session. :lol: the players would be laughing about this in the locker room :lol: and why shouldnt they laugh!? :lol:
spewie wrote:
What's the bet the clubs don't report a thing if they catch their best player doing drugs multiple times?
You talkin about benny cousins? Hows he doin anyway?

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:57 pm
by Stewie
King-Eliagh wrote:
Naming and shaming is simply consequence for actions that are against the rules. The AFL? No consequences, just a lil counseling session. :lol: the players would be laughing about this in the locker room :lol: and why shouldnt they laugh!? :lol:
spewie wrote:
What's the bet the clubs don't report a thing if they catch their best player doing drugs multiple times?
You talkin about benny cousins? Hows he doin anyway?
Cousins was banned for a year, remember?

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:06 pm
by Raiderdave
Pete_09 wrote:
Raiderdave I am sure as many people do drugs in the NRL as the AFL. SO get over it mate.

Heaps of people do drugs these days so why should AFL/NRL be any different.

the NRL has a policy to deal with it
the VFL has a farce of a policy that defy's belief .... its policy is a national & international laughing stock

VFL fans stick their heads up their @rses about this .. along with many other issues in their game
& while ever this policy continues to be defended by singlet wearing mongas .... I'll be here to jam it into these brain washed gimps

K ? :wink:

Re: the VFL , officially a disgrace

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:40 pm
by Xman
Raiderdave wrote:
Pete_09 wrote:
Raiderdave I am sure as many people do drugs in the NRL as the AFL. SO get over it mate.

Heaps of people do drugs these days so why should AFL/NRL be any different.

the NRL has a policy to deal with it
the VFL has a farce of a policy that defy's belief .... its policy is a national & international laughing stock

VFL fans stick their heads up their @rses about this .. along with many other issues in their game
& while ever this policy continues to be defended by singlet wearing mongas .... I'll be here to jam it into these brain washed gimps

K ? :wink:
wow youre a douche. the AFLs policy is significantly stricter than policies used by almost every other world sport. It was given approval by WADA, an international body, and was adopted by other Australian sports.

We hear from NRL players that their code has a significant ilicit drug usage problem as well. So where are their results? Where is the discussion about their issues? :-k

Fail.... [-(