AFL V NRL Financial positioning

[Xman]

As Wookie already showed, its 220m over 6 years. Plus the fact AD already stated the funds had been allocated already

[piesman2011]

Dont forget to take way the 16 million for NZ you currently get and the internet rights you get per year. This is surley an extra 20 million a year. SO it might be closer to 320 million for the NRL. (sorry edited my last post late).

why are we taking that out ?
its revenue for the NRL isn't it ...

the online rights are included in the VFL's 250 mill a year rights deal ... & everything else too .. which makes up their 430 Mill
we'll do the same with any source of revenue we get thank you

430 mill to 340mill

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Let me explain it to you. Lets say the NRL are on 170 million (including the 83 for current TV rights) what you forgot was the current NZ rights 16 million + current internet rights (I have no idea what that is). So without any TV/internet rights the revenue would be about 70 million. So 70million + 250 million from the new deal would only add up to 320 million. Sorry if I didn't explain this well. 320 million is still a good number and you might get more from other sources.

yep see what yr saying now
so we'll be at 320 to 330 ( probably closer to 330m based on my figures above )

but thats based on the assumption that the NRL will not increase its non TV revenue as well
they have set themselves a goal of 100m a year in non TV revenue by the end of 2017

meaning they could get to 360M a year in total revenue by then
& again
no useless expansion clubs eating up their money ... like the VFL has [/quote]
Except the nRLs expected 1.2b tv rights (when including NZ and internet rights) over 5 yrs includes 100m contra. Therefore its more like 1.1b. That's 220m per year. Add that to 70m and youre on 290m per year, or close to 150m behind the AFL per year [/quote]


the VFL's rights deal includes 150m in contra
therefore its deal is actually .... also 1.1 Billion

220m a year
add that to the VFL's 170m in non TV revenue ... & you guys are only on 390 million a year in revenue

100m difference
& again
when you take out the money spent on yr new clubs .... its a lot less then this [/quote]

NRL Finances total last year was 170 million including the 83 odd million they got for tv.
AFL Finances last year totaled in at 334 million including the 139 million they got in tv cash, + a further 15 million from Radio and TV rights (an additional 68 million over the 5 years)

This year under current arrangements, the NRL will recieve its final 83 million payment + 90 million in advance from the new tv deal, giving them somewhere in the vicinity of 360 million.

The AFL at the same time will take in 227 million in media rights cash (after contra has been removed) + the 180 million in non tv revenue (assumes 0 growth - something that hasnt happened since the 80s) will take it to around 407 million. Perhaps we could talk assets where under the last finances rerported the AFL had 97 million in net assets and more than 198 million in actual assets. The NRLs assets in 2010 were reported at Zero - they couldnt get a bank loan according to roy masters, but they've built a new HQ since then.

And if the AFL takes out the 220 million allocated to new clubs, then the NRL can remove the 225 allocated to "the future fund" or whats left of it once the players take a slice. The 90 million advance now though wont be available later.[/quote]

Looking closely at your summary NRL had 87 million (non TV revenue) + 83 TV revenue + 90 million payment = 260 million if I am not mistaken rather then 360 million.

[Raiderdave]

As Wookie already showed, its 220m over 6 years. Plus the fact AD already stated the funds had been allocated already

how bout the next 6 years ..after this 6
another 220 million ?

cos despite 5 premierships & numerous finals appearances .. we STILL have the wions pennyless & dead broke , seriously they're all but on life support
& the swines barely cost neutral despite being premiers
I predict a far bleaker picture for these 2 new clubs & ongoing financial support will be imperitive to keep them from going under
we don't have a burden like this to worry about
we're free .. unshackled from useless expansion clubs sucking the life out of our game , & unfettered the gains RL will make in the next 20 years will be astounding

[Xman]

Im the delusional one? if you say so champ.

How much will it spend on the other 16 clubs, well lets see theres the 160 million a year+ that it gives to all clubs as part of the standard grant. (was 159 million last year - the entire NRL income was 170 million). The league further funds at least 5 of the 7 state and territory leagues that are its direct subsidaries. The league will send millions overseas in development funding. It is actively looking at buying Docklands stadium, which many expect to happen before the end of this tv deal.

on top of all other funding
you have 2 clubs ALONE ... that will cost your code up to a quarter of a billion dollars over the 5 year period of this TV deal
that we don't have

like I said
talk about closing the gap financially between these 2 codes..... overnight

Since you fail basic comprehension heres how it looks

Deal: 2012-16
AFL funds without TV rights based on last years annual report: 180 million annually (assumes no increase)
AFL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2012: 234.5 million annually
Total AFL annual funding: 414.5 million
Total AFL funding over life of the deal: $2.072 Billion

Deal: 2013-17
NRL funds without TV rights based on last years media reports: 87 million annually (assumes no change)
NRL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2013: 225.4 million annually
Total NRL annual funding: 312.4 million
Total NRL funding over life of the deal: 1.562 Billion

So jackass if the AFL want to spend 200 million odd in sydney and the gold coast, then I guess they can and still find close to 200 million more to kick the NRLs ass with. It might be closer this year but ONLY because of the 90 million advance.

Questions or you going to fail basic comprehension.

=D> =D> =D>

Now he'll claim the AFLs funds are all lies....

[pookus]

Im the delusional one? if you say so champ.

How much will it spend on the other 16 clubs, well lets see theres the 160 million a year+ that it gives to all clubs as part of the standard grant. (was 159 million last year - the entire NRL income was 170 million). The league further funds at least 5 of the 7 state and territory leagues that are its direct subsidaries. The league will send millions overseas in development funding. It is actively looking at buying Docklands stadium, which many expect to happen before the end of this tv deal.

on top of all other funding
you have 2 clubs ALONE ... that will cost your code up to a quarter of a billion dollars over the 5 year period of this TV deal
that we don't have

like I said
talk about closing the gap financially between these 2 codes..... overnight

Since you fail basic comprehension heres how it looks

Deal: 2012-16
AFL funds without TV rights based on last years annual report: 180 million annually (assumes no increase)
AFL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2012: 234.5 million annually
Total AFL annual funding: 414.5 million
Total AFL funding over life of the deal: $2.072 Billion

Deal: 2013-17
NRL funds without TV rights based on last years media reports: 87 million annually (assumes no change)
NRL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2013: 225.4 million annually
Total NRL annual funding: 312.4 million
Total NRL funding over life of the deal: 1.562 Billion

So jackass if the AFL want to spend 200 million odd in sydney and the gold coast, then I guess they can and still find close to 200 million more to kick the NRLs ass with. It might be closer this year but ONLY because of the 90 million advance.

Questions or you going to fail basic comprehension.

The one thing you are not taking in to account is that the AFL deal will finish in 4 years so your projections in the last year are selling the AFL short. If we take precedence as any sort of guide you can put a hundred million on that.

[Raiderdave]

Im the delusional one? if you say so champ.

How much will it spend on the other 16 clubs, well lets see theres the 160 million a year+ that it gives to all clubs as part of the standard grant. (was 159 million last year - the entire NRL income was 170 million). The league further funds at least 5 of the 7 state and territory leagues that are its direct subsidaries. The league will send millions overseas in development funding. It is actively looking at buying Docklands stadium, which many expect to happen before the end of this tv deal.

on top of all other funding
you have 2 clubs ALONE ... that will cost your code up to a quarter of a billion dollars over the 5 year period of this TV deal
that we don't have

like I said
talk about closing the gap financially between these 2 codes..... overnight

Since you fail basic comprehension heres how it looks

Deal: 2012-16
AFL funds without TV rights based on last years annual report: 180 million annually (assumes no increase)
AFL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2012: 234.5 million annually
Total AFL annual funding: 414.5 million
Total AFL funding over life of the deal: $2.072 Billion

Deal: 2013-17
NRL funds without TV rights based on last years media reports: 87 million annually (assumes no change)
NRL TV and media, naming rights sponsorship as of 2013: 225.4 million annually
Total NRL annual funding: 312.4 million
Total NRL funding over life of the deal: 1.562 Billion

So jackass if the AFL want to spend 200 million odd in sydney and the gold coast, then I guess they can and still find close to 200 million more to kick the NRLs ass with. It might be closer this year but ONLY because of the 90 million advance.

Questions or you going to fail basic comprehension.

hmmmmmm


the VFL has
1.3 Billion in online , naming TV
23 Million radio

900 Million in none Tv revenue
for a total of 2.223 Billion in total revenue ova 5 years

the NRL has
1.230 Billion online , naming & TV
15 Million radio
& around 450 Million in non Tv revenue
for
1.695 Billion in total revenue ova 5 years


thats the ins ......

the outs
VFL
220 Million on its 2 new clubs
800 million on its other 16 clubs ( salary cap covered for 5 years )
300 million at least on its development nationally ... its future fund if you like

thats 1.3 billion .... leaving it 906 million for all of its other costs for 5 years

the NRL's outs
225 million for its development
560 million for its 16 club grants

thats 785 Mill ...& 910 million left for all of its other costs for 5 years

hows that for comprehension c head ?


like I said
talk about closing a gap..... overnight

[Xman]

Its not a game of save the most money Dave!

The more you earn the more you can spend! In 10 years time when the suns are well established on the GC it will be money well spent.

[Raiderdave]

Its not a game of save the most money Dave!

The more you earn the more you can spend! In 10 years time when the suns are well established on the GC it will be money well spent.

who's saving it ?

after the main costs are taken out for both codes
we now have exactly as much left as the VFL does ... can match them cent for cent
if they spend even more on their game in NSW & QLD
now
so can we


who'd a thunk that .... 6 months ago

the thuns eventual success is a wish ... not a fact or guarantee
even with success..the wions have shown how fragile & fickle support for the victorian game is in QLD as it is in NSW.
expansion clubs may be on the VFL's teet for decades to come

they'll tie up VFL funds for a long time



we don;'t have these impediments .... certainly for the next 5 years
we have as much cash ... but no where near the costs
just try n stop us

[Xman]

Its not a game of save the most money Dave!

The more you earn the more you can spend! In 10 years time when the suns are well established on the GC it will be money well spent.

who's saving it ?

after the main costs are taken out for both codes
we now have exactly as much left as the VFL does ... can match them cent for cent
if they spend more on their game in NSW & QLD
now
so can we


who'd a thunk that .... 6 months ago

the thuns eventual success is a wish ... not a fact or guarantee
even with success..the wions have shown how fragile & fickle support for the victorian game is in QLD as it is in NSW.
expansion clubs may be on the VFL's teet for decades to come

they'll tie up VFL funds for a long time



we don;'t have these impediments .... certainly for the next 5 years
we have as much cash ... but no where near the costs
just try n stop us

As Wookie showed, even allowing for the suns and giants funding (assuming they havent saved the funds already) the AFL have around 300m more to spend over the coming 5 years.

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets. The NRL are doing nothing in AFL states, nothing! Even when they start the AFL are light years ahead in following, participation numbers and interest.

Brisbane is a bandwagon sporting market. The lions have bottomed out and will rise now. The fact they have 20k of loyal base support is fantastic.

[Raiderdave]

its called your making shit up as you go along (lol 15 million for NRL radio, AND you havent subtractged the 100 million in contra) - and frankly theres no need to as the AFL has already specified where the money will go

The AFL predicits its income will be 2.125 billion by 2017
ref: http://mm.AFL.com.au/portals/0/2011/fin ... 260911.pdf

Club Distributions will take up - 1.1 billion over 5 years = 52% of predicted funding
Community Facilities and Stadia - 63 million
Game Development - 190 million
Operating Costs - 589 million
Future Fund - 0 (144 million designated "future funds" allocated as club distributions)
Debt repayments - 56 million

So you can spin it whatever way you like, but the NRL is still going to end up 400 million less in cash - thats quite a hefty gap that you conveniently ignore. Theres no rule that says the AFL cant spend it how they like.

And lol@ 15 million in radio for the NRL. Given its more or less being offered as an exclusive deal. I havent seen a single report that predicts more than 2 million.

I added both lots of contra to both codes C head
& came up with an even bigger total revenue amount for the VFL then you or your article ?

our radio rights will be worth 3 million A YEAR .... some morons in singlets & tight shorts mistook the figure reported in the press as the total amount for 5 years .... .... when in fact it was the yearly amount.

fact is
our game has far less costs then the VFL's ... more then covering any larger $$ amount they get in revenue

this was so far from the case from 2007 to 2012 .. it wasn't funny
like i said

talk about closing a gap ... overnight

[Raiderdave]

Its not a game of save the most money Dave!

The more you earn the more you can spend! In 10 years time when the suns are well established on the GC it will be money well spent.

who's saving it ?

after the main costs are taken out for both codes
we now have exactly as much left as the VFL does ... can match them cent for cent
if they spend more on their game in NSW & QLD
now
so can we


who'd a thunk that .... 6 months ago

the thuns eventual success is a wish ... not a fact or guarantee
even with success..the wions have shown how fragile & fickle support for the victorian game is in QLD as it is in NSW.
expansion clubs may be on the VFL's teet for decades to come

they'll tie up VFL funds for a long time



we don;'t have these impediments .... certainly for the next 5 years
we have as much cash ... but no where near the costs
just try n stop us

As Wookie showed, even allowing for the suns and giants funding (assuming they havent saved the funds already) the AFL have around 300m more to spend over the coming 5 years.

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets. The NRL are doing nothing in AFL states, nothing! Even when they start the AFL are light years ahead in following, participation numbers and interest.

Brisbane is a bandwagon sporting market. The lions have bottomed out and will rise now. The fact they have 20k of loyal base support is fantastic.

all wookie has shown is he's a d head
the VFL has main attributable costs of 1.3 Billion dollars for the next 5 years
the NRL's about 780 Million

the difference in revenue is about the same
level pegging
love it

[Raiderdave]

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets.

and what has that got them except the massive bill that went with it ?

after 30 years & 5 premierships ...a barely cost neutral club & the other one dead broke
stagnate participation levels
embarrasing TV ratings

interest overall ... on the wane really

2 more clubs will just add to the bill
VFL ... going round in circles

[Xman]

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets.

and what has that got them except the massive bill that went with it ?

after 30 years & 5 premierships ...a barely cost neutral club & the other one dead broke
stagnate participation levels
embarrasing TV ratings

interest overall ... on the wane really

2 more clubs will just add to the bill
VFL ... going round in circles

hmm, 4 teams in expansion states with collective memberships of nearly 70k. 2 local games of the code in to each market on TV....

Good one moron

[Xman]

who's saving it ?

after the main costs are taken out for both codes
we now have exactly as much left as the VFL does ... can match them cent for cent
if they spend more on their game in NSW & QLD
now
so can we


who'd a thunk that .... 6 months ago

the thuns eventual success is a wish ... not a fact or guarantee
even with success..the wions have shown how fragile & fickle support for the victorian game is in QLD as it is in NSW.
expansion clubs may be on the VFL's teet for decades to come

they'll tie up VFL funds for a long time



we don;'t have these impediments .... certainly for the next 5 years
we have as much cash ... but no where near the costs
just try n stop us

As Wookie showed, even allowing for the suns and giants funding (assuming they havent saved the funds already) the AFL have around 300m more to spend over the coming 5 years.

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets. The NRL are doing nothing in AFL states, nothing! Even when they start the AFL are light years ahead in following, participation numbers and interest.

Brisbane is a bandwagon sporting market. The lions have bottomed out and will rise now. The fact they have 20k of loyal base support is fantastic.

all wookie has shown is he's a d head
the VFL has main attributable costs of 1.3 Billion dollars for the next 5 years
the NRL's about 780 Million

the difference in revenue is about the same
level pegging
love it

Even if it is level pegging the NRL have got nothing extra to show for it. The AFL have 2 supported teams in new cities which will help grow the code nation wide.

[Raiderdave]

As Wookie showed, even allowing for the suns and giants funding (assuming they havent saved the funds already) the AFL have around 300m more to spend over the coming 5 years.

Plus the AFL are using their funds to drive hard in to new markets. The NRL are doing nothing in AFL states, nothing! Even when they start the AFL are light years ahead in following, participation numbers and interest.

Brisbane is a bandwagon sporting market. The lions have bottomed out and will rise now. The fact they have 20k of loyal base support is fantastic.

all wookie has shown is he's a d head
the VFL has main attributable costs of 1.3 Billion dollars for the next 5 years
the NRL's about 780 Million

the difference in revenue is about the same
level pegging
love it

Even if it is level pegging the NRL have got nothing extra to show for it. The AFL have 2 supported teams in new cities which will help grow the code nation wide.

the NRL has nothing to show for it .... it hasn't even happend yet d head .. this is from 2013 onward
what we will show in the coming years .. is the VFL... the door .. in NSW & QLD

all the VFL have to show for their 30 years on this side of the murray ... is 4 clubs that either cost them a mint .. are costing them a mint .. & will continue to cost them a mint for years to come
that
STILL ... no one gives .. or will ever give .. a cr@p about
good job