Tanking in AFL, coaches speak out.

[King-Eliagh]

His [Warneys] first two years were a failure

Ahhh..."In 1993, Warne was selected for Australia's Ashes tour of England. He was the leading wicket taker for the six-Test series, with 34.[6] His first ball of the series was written into the history books as the "Ball of the Century", bowling the experienced English batsman Mike Gatting with a ball that turned from well outside leg stump to clip the off bail.[7] He took 71 Test wickets in 1993, then a record for a spin bowler in a calendar year"

Xman seriously stop making up shite to back up your dodgy argument. It just makes you look like a douche. Its hard to watch. And Australia were still competitive during the 80s not a basketcase like you suggest.

Its a ridiculous point you make here Xman and you denigrate Australian cricket. As pookus said, Australia weren't placing Warne in the opening batting position...

he debuted in the 1991/92 summer

he became a good player in 1993 because he was given a chance on potential, and allowed time to mature under the pressures of test cricket. This is despite the chance his inexperience would result in poor or inconsistent performances that could have resulted in Australia losing a test.

Ooooh , look, tanking!!!

Ahhh have you completely forgotten the tasty draft pick element? In case you forgot what i said before, its not there in cricket dopey And warney was picked as a bowler not a wicket keeper as far as I remember.

I think its time we let you off the hook on this one. Run along now me boy, you keep on believing this example is the same as what happened at the melbourne FC.

Warney and Waugh and the Aussie cricket team... one of your best Xman, one of your best

[Xman]

Ahhh..."In 1993, Warne was selected for Australia's Ashes tour of England. He was the leading wicket taker for the six-Test series, with 34.[6] His first ball of the series was written into the history books as the "Ball of the Century", bowling the experienced English batsman Mike Gatting with a ball that turned from well outside leg stump to clip the off bail.[7] He took 71 Test wickets in 1993, then a record for a spin bowler in a calendar year"

Xman seriously stop making up shite to back up your dodgy argument. It just makes you look like a douche. Its hard to watch. And Australia were still competitive during the 80s not a basketcase like you suggest.

Its a ridiculous point you make here Xman and you denigrate Australian cricket. As pookus said, Australia weren't placing Warne in the opening batting position...

he debuted in the 1991/92 summer

he became a good player in 1993 because he was given a chance on potential, and allowed time to mature under the pressures of test cricket. This is despite the chance his inexperience would result in poor or inconsistent performances that could have resulted in Australia losing a test.

Ooooh , look, tanking!!!

Ahhh have you completely forgotten the tasty draft pick element? In case you forgot what i said before, its not there in cricket dopey And warney was picked as a bowler not a wicket keeper as far as I remember.

I think its time we let you off the hook on this one. Run along now me boy, you keep on believing this example is the same as what happened at the melbourne FC.

Warney and Waugh and the Aussie cricket team... one of your best Xman, one of your best

but youre just assuming AFL teams play young players to lose. Ive shown that other sports like cricket do it to develop the team, especially in games where the result is inconsequential. Remember Warne's debut was in the final test of a series against India where Australia had a 2-0 lead in a best of 3 series. Was he the fourth or fifth best bowler in Australia? Of course not! He had only played a handful of first class matches and hbis results were average at best.

But he was selected to play in a dead rubber test because his development for future tours was more important than winning that final test.

Ooohhhh. Tanking!!!

[King-Eliagh]

Xman you dont understand what tanking is and at this rate you never will.

But i'll try one last time.

*leans in and whipers into Xmans ear. its when a team subtley aims 'not' to win because they will receive some kind of benefit out of it i.e draft picks or a better position in the finals draw

Warney's debut in the Aussie cricket team is perhaps the most cockbrained idea you've come up with yet to defend the AFL Xman.

Ya got any other examples? A few stats or somethin'?

[Xman]

Xman you dont understand what tanking is and at this rate you never will.

But i'll try one last time.

*leans in and whipers into Xmans ear. its when a team subtley aims 'not' to win because they will receive some kind of benefit out of it i.e draft picks or a better position in the finals draw

Warney's debut in the Aussie cricket team is perhaps the most cockbrained idea you've come up with yet to defend the AFL Xman.

Ya got any other examples? A few stats or somethin'?

Hmm interesting. I wonder if accelerating a players development is 'some kind of benefit'?

[TLPG]

KE, once and for all;

PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MELBOURNE PLAYERS WERE TOLD TO LOSE!!!!

OR SHUT THE F%$* UP!!

All you've provided up until now is wishful speculation, ignorance of the benefits (both potential and actual) of experimenting, and most of all a heartfelt desire to make the AFL look bad against your precious NRL. A desire that goes so far against reality it is unreal.

[King-Eliagh]

Xman you dont understand what tanking is and at this rate you never will.

But i'll try one last time.

*leans in and whipers into Xmans ear. its when a team subtley aims 'not' to win because they will receive some kind of benefit out of it i.e draft picks or a better position in the finals draw

Warney's debut in the Aussie cricket team is perhaps the most cockbrained idea you've come up with yet to defend the AFL Xman.

Ya got any other examples? A few stats or somethin'?

Hmm interesting. I wonder if accelerating a players development is 'some kind of benefit'?

You think throwing warney into keeper would have 'accelerated his development'? a woeful example Xman, totally irrelevant.

And TLPG! My oh my you need to pipe it down and chillax buddyo. As this thread highlights, I dont need to provide any evidence. The coaches have already spoken out about it. :D

[TLPG]

They have spoken about EXPERIMENTATION!!

I will NOT chill out, because you are a barefaced LIAR!!

THERE IS NO TANKING!!!

[Xman]

Xman you dont understand what tanking is and at this rate you never will.

But i'll try one last time.

*leans in and whipers into Xmans ear. its when a team subtley aims 'not' to win because they will receive some kind of benefit out of it i.e draft picks or a better position in the finals draw

Warney's debut in the Aussie cricket team is perhaps the most cockbrained idea you've come up with yet to defend the AFL Xman.

Ya got any other examples? A few stats or somethin'?

Hmm interesting. I wonder if accelerating a players development is 'some kind of benefit'?

You think throwing warney into keeper would have 'accelerated his development'? a woeful example Xman, totally irrelevant.

And TLPG! My oh my you need to pipe it down and chillax buddyo. As this thread highlights, I dont need to provide any evidence. The coaches have already spoken out about it. :D

putting a player with a handful of first class games in the test team isnt an experiment?

[King-Eliagh]

Oh my goodness. If you cant tell that these coaches were talking about something a bit more serious than experimenting then you're more deluded than i thought. The tone of voice and words spoken by those who have spoken out would not sound dissimilar to those spoken in a confessional box.

... ...I guess though I could agree with the term experimenting in some respects. I mean they were kind of experimenting with how to oh so subtley lose. Reminds me of year 8 science.

Aim: To lose games subtley

Objective: To obtain high draft pickeys

Methods: 1) Give top players plenty of 'rests'
2) Any players who might require surgery send them off prior to the end of the season
3) Play players in positions they are unfamiliar with and claim it as an 'experiment for development'
4) Bring in junior players for a bit of a run, especially if team is winning

Outcome: Top draft pickeys a plenty :D

I think thats how i wrote up the old science experiments so yes, I guess you and Xman are right TLPG. AFL teams were indeed experimenting.

Tanking in the AFL is one of the worst happenings in Australian sport and thank god the AFL have begun doing something about it. It's just not right, we need to think of the committed fans in all this TLPG. Like you and me.

[King-Eliagh]

Hmm interesting. I wonder if accelerating a players development is 'some kind of benefit'?

You think throwing warney into keeper would have 'accelerated his development'? a woeful example Xman, totally irrelevant.

And TLPG! My oh my you need to pipe it down and chillax buddyo. As this thread highlights, I dont need to provide any evidence. The coaches have already spoken out about it. :D

putting a player with a handful of first class games in the test team isnt an experiment?

Hi dumbo read my last post. Or to answer your question here yes it could be termed an experiment but we couldnt call it a tanking experiment now could we? :D

[Xman]

You think throwing warney into keeper would have 'accelerated his development'? a woeful example Xman, totally irrelevant.

And TLPG! My oh my you need to pipe it down and chillax buddyo. As this thread highlights, I dont need to provide any evidence. The coaches have already spoken out about it. :D

putting a player with a handful of first class games in the test team isnt an experiment?

Hi dumbo read my last post. Or to answer your question here yes it could be termed an experiment but we couldnt call it a tanking experiment now could we? :D

why not? its a tactic that prioritises the development of the team over short term success.

[King-Eliagh]

But my dear Xman, that isnt the definition of tanking.

*KE leans over and whispers in Xmans ear again ---

tanking is when a team purposefully tries not to win to obtain benefit which is seen as unethical and not in the true nature of sporting values i.e. to obtain draft picks or to get a beneficial position in the finals matchups

You starting to understand now what tanking is Xman? Cause you still seem mighty confused as to what tanking actually is ya poor duffer

[TLPG]

Aim: To lose games subtley

Objective: To obtain high draft pickeys

Methods: 1) Give top players plenty of 'rests'
2) Any players who might require surgery send them off prior to the end of the season
3) Play players in positions they are unfamiliar with and claim it as an 'experiment for development'
4) Bring in junior players for a bit of a run, especially if team is winning

Outcome: Top draft pickeys a plenty :D

Aim: To find out what the club has across the board in a match day environment

Objective: To rectify what went wrong in the prevailing season

Methods: 1) Give top players plenty of 'rests'
2) Any players who might require surgery send them off prior to the end of the season
3) Play players in positions they are unfamiliar with and claim it as an 'experiment for development'
4) Bring in junior players for a bit of a run, especially if team is winning

Outcome: Ability to plan for the future with more accuracy

Note that I did not change anything in the methodology.

Education over.

NOW ADMIT THAT YOU ARE A LYING MORON, KE!!

[King-Eliagh]

=D>

Nice spin TLPG. Nice spin indeed. But that dont change how those coaches have 'come clean' with everything...just like they were in a confessional i tells ya

[TLPG]

I'm not spinning anything.

You are.

Go back to thugby where you belong. You don't understand the great game of footy.