Talking Footy

Beaussie wrote:

So did Melbourne Storm vs Brisbane Broncos go live into Melbourne tonight. I'm certain you posted in another thread previously that this game would be live as Channel 9 sees the ratings bonanza that is live Rugby League in Victoria.

Dogs wrote:

You guys make me laugh, I am new to talking footy website and have just read through a good chunk of the Fight Club and AFL fans are all the same, tunnel visioned who will say anything to make a case with no supporting evidence. My research shows the websites I use if you want to do some research yourself, however I have found the following to save you the trouble:
website http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/07/ which I am assuming you are getting most of your half baked information from, (based upon the numbers I see thrown around) should only be used for Pay TV as it does not include regional viewers in the top 50. I can prove this in any one of the 7 times that the NRL Friday night live game made the top 40 on free to air between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 in comparison to the 2 times AFL games have. To confirm for yourself take a look at week 20 (which is one of the 7 times) within website http://www.thinktv.com.au/content_commo ... eports.seo. The NRL Friday night live game has the total of regional + metro viewers as 1,173,000 where metro makes up 663,000, in http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html it also shows 663,000 in total therefore missing all regional viewers.
Talk manipulation of figures, AFL diehard fans continue to use website where there is no regional consideration and why, because AFL never registers in any top programs in regional areas, even with the grand finals. Sorry regional Australia makes up a large portion of Australia population and needs to be considered regardless of program. Friday football is in the regional top 40 almost every week and Sunday Football also makes a regular appearance which is significant if you know anything about senior bush football, as it is played on a Sunday around the same time the game is broadcast. Also, there is not a single game of AFL game which appears in the regional top 40 between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 so of cause they are not included in any figures produced by any AFL fan in these debates. Deal with it and use all the facts available, rather than just what suits you. You keep talking about being a national game however you only want to include Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth in your figures and Sydney and Brisbane to add an extra 100 odd thousand.
Continue to use your apples with oranges figures from http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html and where there is results for all metro areas only for AFL and where there is no figures for NRL in Melbourne, Adelaide or Perth, because it has worked so far to try and bounce the numbers around in your favour. Don't forget guys we just had Broncos play South’s in Perth and even with the torrential rain it was a sell-out, so there are plenty of NRL fans in Perth and we will be headed there soon. You all keep preaching you’re a national code, your Melbourne centric and have, 7 odd sides out of the state. NRL is NSW centric, and has 5 teams in different states and oh another one in a different country because we don't just play our sport in Australia, not really to different when you put it in perspective hey.
Lastly, I love the figures being thrown around about grand final, again get all figures which include regional Australia and then let’s have a debate. You may want to remember if we have this debate that we also have representative games that you don't have to broadcast. To finish off you may want to consider the 11 odd million viewers that watch the three State of Origin games or the world cup or the tri nations or the Anzac test. Still debating, give me a break. I will be fair and say you have more people come to your game, congratulations, but don't bother any more on the TV viewers.

Dogs wrote:

You guys make me laugh, I am new to talking footy website and have just read through a good chunk of the Fight Club and AFL fans are all the same, tunnel visioned who will say anything to make a case with no supporting evidence. My research shows the websites I use if you want to do some research yourself, however I have found the following to save you the trouble:
website http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/07/ which I am assuming you are getting most of your half baked information from, (based upon the numbers I see thrown around) should only be used for Pay TV as it does not include regional viewers in the top 50. I can prove this in any one of the 7 times that the NRL Friday night live game made the top 40 on free to air between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 in comparison to the 2 times AFL games have. To confirm for yourself take a look at week 20 (which is one of the 7 times) within website http://www.thinktv.com.au/content_commo ... eports.seo. The NRL Friday night live game has the total of regional + metro viewers as 1,173,000 where metro makes up 663,000, in http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html it also shows 663,000 in total therefore missing all regional viewers.

Dogs wrote:

Talk manipulation of figures, AFL diehard fans continue to use website where there is no regional consideration and why, because AFL never registers in any top programs in regional areas, even with the grand finals. Sorry regional Australia makes up a large portion of Australia population and needs to be considered regardless of program. Friday football is in the regional top 40 almost every week and Sunday Football also makes a regular appearance which is significant if you know anything about senior bush football, as it is played on a Sunday around the same time the game is broadcast. Also, there is not a single game of AFL game which appears in the regional top 40 between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 so of cause they are not included in any figures produced by any AFL fan in these debates. Deal with it and use all the facts available, rather than just what suits you. You keep talking about being a national game however you only want to include Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth in your figures and Sydney and Brisbane to add an extra 100 odd thousand.
Continue to use your apples with oranges figures from http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html and where there is results for all metro areas only for AFL and where there is no figures for NRL in Melbourne, Adelaide or Perth, because it has worked so far to try and bounce the numbers around in your favour. Don't forget guys we just had Broncos play South’s in Perth and even with the torrential rain it was a sell-out, so there are plenty of NRL fans in Perth and we will be headed there soon. You all keep preaching you’re a national code, your Melbourne centric and have, 7 odd sides out of the state. NRL is NSW centric, and has 5 teams in different states and oh another one in a different country because we don't just play our sport in Australia, not really to different when you put it in perspective hey.
Lastly, I love the figures being thrown around about grand final, again get all figures which include regional Australia and then let’s have a debate. You may want to remember if we have this debate that we also have representative games that you don't have to broadcast. To finish off you may want to consider the 11 odd million viewers that watch the three State of Origin games or the world cup or the tri nations or the Anzac test. Still debating, give me a break. I will be fair and say you have more people come to your game, congratulations, but don't bother any more on the TV viewers.

Beaussie wrote:

Dogs wrote:

You guys make me laugh, I am new to talking footy website and have just read through a good chunk of the Fight Club and AFL fans are all the same, tunnel visioned who will say anything to make a case with no supporting evidence. My research shows the websites I use if you want to do some research yourself, however I have found the following to save you the trouble:
website http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/07/ which I am assuming you are getting most of your half baked information from, (based upon the numbers I see thrown around) should only be used for Pay TV as it does not include regional viewers in the top 50. I can prove this in any one of the 7 times that the NRL Friday night live game made the top 40 on free to air between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 in comparison to the 2 times AFL games have. To confirm for yourself take a look at week 20 (which is one of the 7 times) within website http://www.thinktv.com.au/content_commo ... eports.seo. The NRL Friday night live game has the total of regional + metro viewers as 1,173,000 where metro makes up 663,000, in http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html it also shows 663,000 in total therefore missing all regional viewers.

The currency to which broadcast rights are brought and sold is the capital cities. You may not like that fact, but that is the reality. Seriously why would broadcasters take into account the completely flawed analysis provided through regional tv ratings where double counting of capital cities and regional markets occurs right across the country.

Oh and tell me this, when was the last time a regional broadcaster was at the negotiating table for the broadcast rights of any program let alone sport?

All the tv ratings sites going use only the captial cities as a guide and even that is not perfect with the limited sample size. Unfortunately that's the best we have at present and that is what broadcasters look at (again whether you like it or not).

Dogs wrote:

Talk manipulation of figures, AFL diehard fans continue to use website where there is no regional consideration and why, because AFL never registers in any top programs in regional areas, even with the grand finals. Sorry regional Australia makes up a large portion of Australia population and needs to be considered regardless of program. Friday football is in the regional top 40 almost every week and Sunday Football also makes a regular appearance which is significant if you know anything about senior bush football, as it is played on a Sunday around the same time the game is broadcast. Also, there is not a single game of AFL game which appears in the regional top 40 between 13/3/11 to 18/7/11 so of cause they are not included in any figures produced by any AFL fan in these debates. Deal with it and use all the facts available, rather than just what suits you. You keep talking about being a national game however you only want to include Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth in your figures and Sydney and Brisbane to add an extra 100 odd thousand.
Continue to use your apples with oranges figures from http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html and where there is results for all metro areas only for AFL and where there is no figures for NRL in Melbourne, Adelaide or Perth, because it has worked so far to try and bounce the numbers around in your favour. Don't forget guys we just had Broncos play South’s in Perth and even with the torrential rain it was a sell-out, so there are plenty of NRL fans in Perth and we will be headed there soon. You all keep preaching you’re a national code, your Melbourne centric and have, 7 odd sides out of the state. NRL is NSW centric, and has 5 teams in different states and oh another one in a different country because we don't just play our sport in Australia, not really to different when you put it in perspective hey.
Lastly, I love the figures being thrown around about grand final, again get all figures which include regional Australia and then let’s have a debate. You may want to remember if we have this debate that we also have representative games that you don't have to broadcast. To finish off you may want to consider the 11 odd million viewers that watch the three State of Origin games or the world cup or the tri nations or the Anzac test. Still debating, give me a break. I will be fair and say you have more people come to your game, congratulations, but don't bother any more on the TV viewers.

Regional tv ratings are flawed and include dubious double counting right across the nation not to mention many parts of the country not even being included in the figures. That's why many people (not just AFL fans but people in the industry) dismiss them in their analysis of tv ratings. More importantly, broadcasters ignore the regional ratings as I just pointed out above. You talk about tunnel visioned AFL fans. I'd suggest it is Rugby League fans who are tunnel visioned to the point of delusional for constantly trying to bring the flawed regional tv ratings into the debate. No one, and most importanly the broadcasters cares. The capital city markets are all that matters and in this debate, the AFL rules supreme as it does on may other important popularity indicators (ie: crowds, memberships, sponsorship etc, etc, etc).

Beaussie wrote:

You're setting yourself up for another major disappointment if you think the NRL broadcast deal will go from the current $500 million to more than double that figure. Figures bandied about yesterday in the NRL media are absolutely ridiculous and lets not forget Channel 9 has already said they want more ads per game. What does that do for the product from a fans perspective? Sure an increase in broadcast value, but how are the fans considered in such a proposal? Whilst the AFL implements constant rule changes to speed the game up to keep the fans on the edges of the seats, the NRL is discussing slowing their game down even further to satisfy a tv network.

Anyway, no broadcaster would be stupid enough to pay overs like that talked about in the NRL media yesterday. I love how you also assume all people living in regional areas based on state boarders follow one or the other code.

Onions wrote:

How are those five regional teams going, Raider Boy? And hey, when I last looked it was two and a half! Where's the rest? (NQ, Newcastle and SG/Illawarra)

Raiderdave wrote:

Onions wrote:

How are those five regional teams going, Raider Boy? And hey, when I last looked it was two and a half! Where's the rest? (NQ, Newcastle and SG/Illawarra)

theres 2.5 is there ?

Canberra Raiders
Newcastle Knights
St George Illawarra Dragons ( Wollongong)
Gold Coast Titans
North Queensland Cowboys

gee.. I see 4.5 at least
but then again.... I can count

& I consider any team that plays regularly out of a regional centre like the Dragons do .. to be a regional side too
thats 5

Onions wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Onions wrote:

How are those five regional teams going, Raider Boy? And hey, when I last looked it was two and a half! Where's the rest? (NQ, Newcastle and SG/Illawarra)

theres 2.5 is there ?

Canberra Raiders
Newcastle Knights
St George Illawarra Dragons ( Wollongong)
Gold Coast Titans
North Queensland Cowboys

gee.. I see 4.5 at least
but then again.... I can count

& I consider any team that plays regularly out of a regional centre like the Dragons do .. to be a regional side too
thats 5

Gold Coast and Canberra aren't regional, ********! GC is a part of Brisbane metro according to YOUR link about metro TV coverage! Canberra's the national capital and not regional and never ******* has been!!!

Beaussie wrote:

3 of the 5 NRL clubs in regional areas are struggling massively when it comes to local support and finances. Crowds and balance sheets don't lie in this debate. Perhaps the NRL ought to worry about its current struggling teams to which there are many before even considering costly expansion.