Talking Footy

Port Adelaide now 34,881, up over 700 since Sunday.

Xman wrote:

Storm2013 wrote:

QueenslandISAFL wrote:

Let's see how this will turn out shall we

AFL (2012 number's bolded)

Adelaide - 42,000+ (45,105)
Brisbane - 20,078 (20,072)
Carlton - 41,824 (45,800)
Collingwood -70,000+ (72,688)
Essendon - 46,998 (47,708)
Fremantle - ???????? (42,918)
Geelong - 35,182 (40,205)
Gold Coast - 10,871 (11,204)
Greater Western Sydney - 11,340 (10,241)
Hawthorn - 56,592 (60,841)
Melbourne - 26,289 (35,459)
North Melbourne - 28,874 (33,423)
Port Adelaide - 34,109 (35,543)
Richmond - 51,171 (53,027)
St Kilda - 30,203 (35,440)
Sydney - 31,427 (29,873)
West Coast Eagles - 55,516 (57,377)
Western Bulldogs - 24,112 (30,007)

AFL already past last years total?? My maths must be wrong

Not ahead of last year's total, ahead of last year at the same time, by a fair way. They are set to smash last years total.

"At this early stage of the year, AFL club membership across the competition is already well on track to eclipse last year’s all-time record tally of 707,621, and the clubs and the players deserve great credit for the peerless match-day experience at every AFL game."

http://www.AFL.com.au/news/2013-04-01/f ... ning-round

They will pass last years total but in saying that NRL has already passed last year's total by almost 10,000, who said it was a dying sport lol?

As for the AFL they will also contiue to prosper, until they reach a point where they can know longer grow as the membership market will be saturated, the NRL still has alot of room to move and grow Perth, Brisbane, Central Qld, Adelaide, PNG, Wellington. Membership has always been AFL culture, I am glad the NRL are finally taking steps to integrate this into theirs.

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

So the NRL have room to grow in Brisbane? really? If thats the case why can't the AFL grow in its own heartland too? Perth is capped because of their stadium size. The eagles have a 10k waiting list just to become a member. This will be resolved when they build their new stadium.

And how can the NRL grow in Perth and Adelaide and the AFL not grow further in Brisbane, GC and Sydney?

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

?

yes
& putting on 22 more games ... but losing 360,000

thats


360,000 attendees ... is .. apparently ...... growing , according to these singlet wearing ass clowns


yes
lets read & take notes on what constitutes growth from this lot shall we ?

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

So the NRL have room to grow in Brisbane? really? If thats the case why can't the AFL grow in its own heartland too? Perth is capped because of their stadium size. The eagles have a 10k waiting list just to become a member. This will be resolved when they build their new stadium.

And how can the NRL grow in Perth and Adelaide and the AFL not grow further in Brisbane, GC and Sydney?

It does mean it's growing, membership=revenue doesnt it? Whether they are already fans or not, increasing membership size is a sign of "growth".

Yes I believe they do, many NRL fans up there are not broncos supporters and I've heard many want another team to support. A Brisbane derby would be a massive boost for League and for QLD. Memberships for the AFL in VIC are already at a high, the market down their is saturated, with 2 AFL teams in SA & WA they will also will become saturated with AFL memberships it is just a matter of time till they end up halting.

Sydney, Brisbane & GC are League heartlands. I believe Sydney based NRL memberships will soar in the next few years - Canterbury, South Sydney, St.George, Parramatta will end up surpassing the swans. Sydney, Wests, Cronulla have already seen numbers rise further and further over the last few years. As for GWS if they do not make finals or win many games in the next few years they will fail, must I remind you that they have 4k or so members from Canberra. The growth the NRL still has to do is massive compared to the AFL who don't get me wrong are doing extremely well. The central coast & Newcastle are also League heartlands an AFL team in other either area would be like another GWS. NSW & QLD have SOO which is always going to a boost to League in these states.

Perth and Adelaide have many League fans especially Perth. Perth has witnessed crowds of over 15k for the last few years with teams not even from their. This is because their are many ex-pats from NSW and QLD, so the potential for a successful League team there is massive. The Pirates franchise had somewhat 9,000 members last year and did'nt even have a team which was impressive. If they are successfully nutured and looked after they will be a powerhouse to the NRL especially after NIB Stadium is redeveloped.

Brandz wrote:

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

So the NRL have room to grow in Brisbane? really? If thats the case why can't the AFL grow in its own heartland too? Perth is capped because of their stadium size. The eagles have a 10k waiting list just to become a member. This will be resolved when they build their new stadium.

And how can the NRL grow in Perth and Adelaide and the AFL not grow further in Brisbane, GC and Sydney?

Perth and Adelaide have many League fans especially Perth.

Brandz wrote:

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

So the NRL have room to grow in Brisbane? really? If thats the case why can't the AFL grow in its own heartland too? Perth is capped because of their stadium size. The eagles have a 10k waiting list just to become a member. This will be resolved when they build their new stadium.

And how can the NRL grow in Perth and Adelaide and the AFL not grow further in Brisbane, GC and Sydney?

It does mean it's growing, membership=revenue doesnt it? Whether they are already fans or not, increasing membership size is a sign of "growth".

Yes I believe they do, many NRL fans up there are not broncos supporters and I've heard many want another team to support. A Brisbane derby would be a massive boost for League and for QLD. Memberships for the AFL in VIC are already at a high, the market down their is saturated, with 2 AFL teams in SA & WA they will also will become saturated with AFL memberships it is just a matter of time till they end up halting.

Sydney, Brisbane & GC are League heartlands. I believe Sydney based NRL memberships will soar in the next few years - Canterbury, South Sydney, St.George, Parramatta will end up surpassing the swans. Sydney, Wests, Cronulla have already seen numbers rise further and further over the last few years. As for GWS if they do not make finals or win many games in the next few years they will fail, must I remind you that they have 4k or so members from Canberra. The growth the NRL still has to do is massive compared to the AFL who don't get me wrong are doing extremely well. The central coast & Newcastle are also League heartlands an AFL team in other either area would be like another GWS. NSW & QLD have SOO which is always going to a boost to League in these states.

Perth and Adelaide have many League fans especially Perth. Perth has witnessed crowds of over 15k for the last few years with teams not even from their. This is because their are many ex-pats from NSW and QLD, so the potential for a successful League team there is massive. The Pirates franchise had somewhat 9,000 members last year and did'nt even have a team which was impressive. If they are successfully nutured and looked after they will be a powerhouse to the NRL especially after NIB Stadium is redeveloped.

Sure, revenue to the clubs, but their costs are going up too. I mean growth as in more fans. Increased members doesnt automatically mean more fans, just a change from general admission to memberships. As we've said before the NRL have quadrupled their memberships over the last 4-5 years but their attendance levels are less than 6 years ago.

The thing that will eventually catch the NRL and memberships is stadium sizes, as it has in the AFL. How will most NRL teams get more than 20k members when they play in suburban grounds with capacity of 20k? Already the eagles are capped, Essendon certainly cannot fit much more in at Etihad, Geelong have met capacity at skilled stadium. The advantage the AFL has is large stadiums. The NRL have a lot of work ahead of them to get decent sized stadiums that the fans refer.

As for Perth and Adelaide, grass roots participation for RL in these states is shocking! You may get expats but thats where it will end until ppl start playing the sport. At least participation rates and recruited AFL players from nsw and qld is half decent, hence growth will still occur in these states for the AFL.

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

?

yes
& putting on 22 more games ... but losing 360,000

thats


360,000 attendees ... is .. apparently ...... growing , according to these singlet wearing ass clowns


yes
lets read & take notes on what constitutes growth from this lot shall we ?

10m more TV viewers. Going from delayed TV to 9 live games was obviously going to transfer attendance to TV ratings. The growth is there, just in a different area.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

The NRL increasing membership doesn't mean its growing. It means its transferring casual fans into members.

?

yes
& putting on 22 more games ... but losing 360,000

thats


360,000 attendees ... is .. apparently ...... growing , according to these singlet wearing ass clowns


yes
lets read & take notes on what constitutes growth from this lot shall we ?

10m more TV viewers. Going from delayed TV to 9 live games was obviously going to transfer attendance to TV ratings. The growth is there, just in a different area.

10m more eh

but still the silver medal ?

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

yes
& putting on 22 more games ... but losing 360,000

thats


360,000 attendees ... is .. apparently ...... growing , according to these singlet wearing ass clowns


yes
lets read & take notes on what constitutes growth from this lot shall we ?

10m more TV viewers. Going from delayed TV to 9 live games was obviously going to transfer attendance to TV ratings. The growth is there, just in a different area.

10m more eh

but still the silver medal ?

60 less games for the year but still won by 10m =D> =D>

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

10m more TV viewers. Going from delayed TV to 9 live games was obviously going to transfer attendance to TV ratings. The growth is there, just in a different area.

10m more eh

but still the silver medal ?

60 less games for the year but still won by 10m =D> =D>

yes

123 Million is more then 134 Million

hmmmmm

no its 11 million less

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

10m more eh

but still the silver medal ?

60 less games for the year but still won by 10m =D> =D>

yes

123 Million is more then 134 Million

hmmmmm

no its 11 million less

AFL v NRL, not AR's v RL

Not satisfied by breaking the AFL club's membership record, Swans boss Andrew Ireland wants 40,000 fans to pledge their allegiance.

The Swans this week topped the membership tally of 32,452 they reached in 2007 after back-to-back grand final appearances.

It is a phenomenal turnaround for the organisation that was once the laughing stock of the league, and Sydney's sporting landscape.

As is the case with the Swans' on-field triumph last year, Ireland says hard work and quality football has been key to the big numbers.

"I think it's on the back of success last year, but also because our membership department have worked really hard," Ireland said on Tuesday.

"At the end of the day people want to come along and watch good footy.

"I've always said putting a footy team on the ground is a bit like running a theatre, if you don't put on good films nobody will come.

"We know it's a constant challenge to continue to grow it. We need to do that. We need to get to 40,000 members. Hopefully we can do that.

"It's a big challenge."

Especially in a city with a reputation for not having the same passion for live sport as Melbourne, although Ireland rejects the stay-at-home Sydneysider stereotype.

"It actually upsets me a bit when people talk about the Sydney sports fan being more fickle," he said.

"The reality is when we put on big games we get good crowds."

The Swans' membership achievement is all the more impressive in the context of Greater Western Sydney's admission to the league.

GWS have signed 11,537 members this year - already more than the club tallied in its maiden season. In contrast, Gold Coast couldn't manage the same second-year milestone in 2012.

Ireland said instead of basking in the achievement, his club must work hard in an attempt to match the mammoth membership tallies at power clubs like Collingwood.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8639707

So NSW teams now collectively have 44,000 members! =D> =D>

2013 Membership Totals (as of 9/4/2013)
Collingwood - 70,000+ (Target - 75,000)
Hawthorn - 58,007 (Target - 65,000)
West Coast - 55,516
Richmond - 53,549 (Target - 60,000)
Essendon - 48,420 (Target - 50,000)
Adelaide - 45,000+ (Target - 50,000)
Carlton - 42,626 (Target - 50,000)
Fremantle - 40,000+
Geelong - 36,269
Port Adel. - 36,120 (Target - 40,000)
Sydney - 31,427
St. Kilda - 31,060
North Melb - 30,050 (Target - 40,000)
Melbourne - 29,265 (Target - 40,000)
Western B - 25,377
Brisbane - 20.078
Greater WS - 11,537
Gold Coast - 11,215

Xman wrote:

Not satisfied by breaking the AFL club's membership record, Swans boss Andrew Ireland wants 40,000 fans to pledge their allegiance.

The Swans this week topped the membership tally of 32,452 they reached in 2007 after back-to-back grand final appearances.

It is a phenomenal turnaround for the organisation that was once the laughing stock of the league, and Sydney's sporting landscape.

As is the case with the Swans' on-field triumph last year, Ireland says hard work and quality football has been key to the big numbers.

"I think it's on the back of success last year, but also because our membership department have worked really hard," Ireland said on Tuesday.

"At the end of the day people want to come along and watch good footy.

"I've always said putting a footy team on the ground is a bit like running a theatre, if you don't put on good films nobody will come.

"We know it's a constant challenge to continue to grow it. We need to do that. We need to get to 40,000 members. Hopefully we can do that.

"It's a big challenge."

Especially in a city with a reputation for not having the same passion for live sport as Melbourne, although Ireland rejects the stay-at-home Sydneysider stereotype.

"It actually upsets me a bit when people talk about the Sydney sports fan being more fickle," he said.

"The reality is when we put on big games we get good crowds."

The Swans' membership achievement is all the more impressive in the context of Greater Western Sydney's admission to the league.

GWS have signed 11,537 members this year - already more than the club tallied in its maiden season. In contrast, Gold Coast couldn't manage the same second-year milestone in 2012.

Ireland said instead of basking in the achievement, his club must work hard in an attempt to match the mammoth membership tallies at power clubs like Collingwood.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8639707

So NSW teams now collectively have 44,000 members! =D> =D>

of which about 26,000 actually reside in that state , just marginally ahead of 1 of Sydney's NRL teams in South Sydney