Talking Footy

My point is that the top rating game alternates between Fri and Thur night ? comparable to focus just on Friday nights? hardly.

No, the figures you showed have nothing to do with ratings : 25% of your teams do not play in the Friday night slot. So comparable?

My point about the extra hour which allows you to get more ratings in that timeslot. Hardy an equal comparison as you try to make out.

And you ignore the early and final rounds because they don't suit your argument.

And yes that analogy may be wrong, I don't know if you were ever being in front .
But the analogy about you wining battles and thinking you won the war isn't!

OK, just for Pussy and his claims of cherry picking, I've compared round v round, and included Thursday games and Friday games, giving the NRL a massive advantage of 2 games v 1 for many weekends. The result is a 16 v 7 win to the AFL

Any other way you'd like me to stack the comparisons in the NRL's favour?? Would you like me to count your games twice maybe

Rnd 1:
AFL TH Car v Rich 1104k
NRL TH Eels v Broncos 1241k WIN
NRL FN Manly v Cntby 894k

Rnd 2:
AFL FN Coll v Richmond 1215k WIN
NRL TH Penrith v Ctby 926k
NRL FN NZ v Bronco 1028k

Rnd 3:
AFL FN Power v Ess 930k
NRL TH NthQ v Syd 1006k WIN
NRL FN Ctby v Eels 981k

Rnd 4:
AFL FN WC v Richmond 1025k
NRL FN Broncos Nth Qld 1121k WIN
(no TH game)

Rnd 5:
AFL FN Haw v Adel 1322k WIN
NRL TH Manly v Souths 1046k
NRL FN GC v Broncos 951k

Rnd 6:
AFL FN Nth v Bulldogs 1214k WIN
NRL TH Broncos v StG 1111k
NRL FN Sth Syd v Syd 1005k

Rnd 7:
AFL FN Haw v Richmond 1125k WIN
NRL TH Manly v Eels 1054k
NRL FN NQLD v Sth Syd 1060k

Rnd 8:
AFL FN Adel v Geel 1322k WIN
NRL FN Broncos v Sth Syd 1089k
(No Th game)

Rnd 9:
AFL FN Haw v Syd 1356k WIN
NRL TH Souths v Wests 928k
NRL FN Eels v Bulldogs 1159k

Rnd 10:
AFL FN Syd v NthM 1298k WIN
NRl Th StG v Can 813k
NRL FN Eels v Sth Syd 966k

Rnd 11:
AFL FN Nth v Rich 1003k (estimated regionals @1/3rd metro)
NRL TH South v StG 927k
NRL FN Nth Q v Broncos 1226k WIN

Rnd 12:
AFL FN Ess v Hawth 902k
NRL FN Broncos v tiger 1034k WIN
no TH game

Rnd 13:
AFL FN Nth v Hawth 1372k (estimated regionals) WIN
NRL FN Canb v manly 1006k
No Th game

Rnd 14:
AFL TH Adel v Nth 1035k (rest reg) WIN
AFL FN Coll v Fre 919k (est regionals)
NRL Bronco v Canb 925k
NRL FN Tigers v Sth Syd 923k

Rnd 15:
AFL FN Port v Rich 915k (est regionals)
NRL FN Sth Syd v Eels 935k WIN
No Th game

Rnd 16:
AFL FN Geel v Syd 1139k (est regionals) WIN
NRL FN Penrith v Sth Syd 889k
No Th game

Rnd 17:
AFL TH Syd v HAw 1195k WIN
AFL FN Freo v Geel 1123k (est regionals)
NRL TH Syd v Cant 760k (est regionals)
NRL FN Melb v Broncos 1073k (estimated regionals @ 2/3rd metro)

Rnd 18:
AFL FN Coll v NthM 1121k (est regionals) WIN
NRL FN P\Eels v Syd 968k (est regionals)
No Th game

Rnd 19:
AFL FN Geel v Bulldogs 1148k (est regionals) WIN
NRL FN StG v Titans 724k (est regionals)
No Th game

Rnd 20:
AFL FN Rich v Coll 1038k (est regionals) WIN
NRL TH NthQ v Ctby 914k (est regional)
NRL FN Broncos v Penrith 959k (est regionals)

Rnd 21:
AFL FN Bulldogs v Coll 1042 (est regionals)
NRL TH Syd v Broncos 1131 (est regionals) WIN
NRL FN Cant v StG 856k (est regionals)

Rnd 22:
AFL FN WC v Haw 1194k (est regionals) WIN
NRL TH StG v Bronc 1132k
NRL FN Eels v Manly 876k (est regionals)

Rnd 23:
AFL FN Adel v Wc 1167k (est regionals) WIN
NRL TH Ctby v Manly 734k (est regionals)
NRL FN Broncos v Eels 870k (est regionals)

pussycat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:28 pm

My point is that the top rating game alternates between Fri and Thur night ? comparable to focus just on Friday nights? hardly.

Well see the tpost above, it didnt do you any favours

No, the figures you showed have nothing to do with ratings : 25% of your teams do not play in the Friday night slot. So comparable?

We had similar number of games with top and bottom 8 teams. You had the Broncos playing in 14 of the 23 rounds FFS!!

My point about the extra hour which allows you to get more ratings in that timeslot. Hardy an equal comparison as you try to make out.

if we get more ratings we are entitleds to them since they are viewers. In reality though itd be lucky to be a few 10's of thousands, basically cancelling out some of the advantage you get for an earlier finish and shorter game time for averages

And you ignore the early and final rounds because they don't suit your argument.

You've got a longer season you dill!! If I compare date v date you lose the first 3 rounds. If I compare round v round you lose the last 3 games

And yes that analogy may be wrong, I don't know if you were ever being in front .
But the analogy about you wining battles and thinking you won the war isn't!

If the war was over season tally you'd have a point. But we both know its over popularity and audience not how many games I can watch

I see you include the 7 to 8 rounds over the origin period - quit comparable under your logic.
Rounds 22 and 23 rated well for us . but don't fit into your bizaro world.


You don't show 4 teams but , according to means nothing.

Im not complaining about the extra viewers you pick up . Im just one more example of why its not a fair comparison as you claim. And I'm sure next week you will be complaining about your long winded game and the harships it puts you through

So if you take out our early matches and our late matches - the ones that rate the best , how are they comparable Einstein?

So you remove the 7 or 8 weeks were we usualy have our best 34 + players out and our final rounds that rated well and claim that its a fair comparison - you are delusional & desperate.

There was a season played , you had a greater number of matches but lost out big time

pussycat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:12 pm

I see you include the 7 to 8 rounds over the origin period - quit comparable under your logic.
Rounds 22 and 23 rated well for us . but don't fit into your bizaro world.

Now you want me to exclude games effected by origin in match comparisons, but include them plus origin games in the season comparison?
Didnt your season tally only win by about the margin provided by origin?
You want me to compare either your early and late season games to weeks the AFL arent even playing?

You don't show 4 teams but , according to means nothing.

Both codes showed the bottom 4 teams from 2015 only thrice on FN in 2016. Only NRL showed their biggest team 14 times to increase ratings. That means nothing to you?

Im not complaining about the extra viewers you pick up . Im just one more example of why its not a fair comparison as you claim. And I'm sure next week you will be complaining about your long winded game and the harships it puts you through

Yes you are complaining itts an unfair comparison. 1 game v 1 game is unfair despite the conditions being basically identical. Yet a season v season comparison, where conditions are wildly different, is fair

So lets sum up what I've done to make the comparison fairer for the NRL (in your eyes):
1. Compared round v round, which is stupid given theyre a month apart, and you lose easily anyway
2. Compare night v night and you lose easily
2. Compare Thursday AND Friday NRL games to the AFL's Friday only game, which is grossly stacked in your favour, and again you lose easily.

Now you want me to exclude some of your rounds that are effected by origin, but still want to include origin in your comparisons, and include rounds at the end or start of the season when the AFL have no matches.

Are you for real???????????????????????????????

Now, excluding the 6 rounds that are affected by state of origin (12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19) results in us missing 4 wins and you missing 2 wins.

So that's still a 12 to 5 win to the AFL.

This AFL victory is despite:
- Excluding origin affected rounds at your request
- Excluding night v night in favour of round v round at your request
- Including both NRL's Thursday and Friday games, making most weeks a 2v1 advantage to the NRL, at your request

Any other ways you'd like me to compare the games in your favour? Surely you're out of excuses by now

NlolRL Its pointless argueing with you. Going over and over the same old crap. It is painfully obvious you will not or cannot accept the seasons results, rather, you only want to cherry pick through results and use ones slanted in favour of the AFL.

pussycat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:20 am

NlolRL Its pointless argueing with you. Going over and over the same old crap. It is painfully obvious you will not or cannot accept the seasons results, rather, you only want to cherry pick through results and use ones slanted in favour of the AFL.

So what you're now saying, after making multiple excuses, is comparing game v game throughout the season is a waste of time, even if we compare multiple NRL games to one AFL game per round, and exclude state of origin affected rounds?

Are you listening to this shit Wookie???? It's hilarious

Tell me Puddy, how else would you like to compare the competitions on TV? What is the point of this forum if we cant do it?

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:24 am

to be fair Nlolrl you're stretching a pretty improbable argument. All that matters is 1) who gets the most viewers and 2) who gets paid the most for them.

As far as we know the most viewers watch the NRL, and the AFL gets paid more - assuming thats because of a) the extra hour for matches and increased advertising opportunities during match broadcasts

So you think comparing ratings games in the same round is pointless?

To be fair wookie cumulative totals for a code is pointless. Saying fur example that 1 million people watch a show in a year means it is more popular than a show that had half a million viewers is silly if one show had 1000 esipodes and the other 10 for instance.

NlolRL wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:27 am

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:24 am

to be fair Nlolrl you're stretching a pretty improbable argument. All that matters is 1) who gets the most viewers and 2) who gets paid the most for them.

As far as we know the most viewers watch the NRL, and the AFL gets paid more - assuming thats because of a) the extra hour for matches and increased advertising opportunities during match broadcasts

So you think comparing ratings games in the same round is pointless?

People have been ratings games for years, other like the NRL and AFL do also, It certainly isn't pointless, However rating from just one particular game - a game that's best suits your needs is.

pussycat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:29 pm

NlolRL wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:27 am

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:24 am

to be fair Nlolrl you're stretching a pretty improbable argument. All that matters is 1) who gets the most viewers and 2) who gets paid the most for them.

As far as we know the most viewers watch the NRL, and the AFL gets paid more - assuming thats because of a) the extra hour for matches and increased advertising opportunities during match broadcasts

So you think comparing ratings games in the same round is pointless?

People have been ratings games for years, other like the NRL and AFL do also, It certainly isn't pointless, However rating from just one particular game - a game that's best suits your needs is.

Comparing the highest rating games for both codes per round isnt in any way cherry picking given it includes about 60 games. If it was 1 or 2 games for the year then fair enough.

Anyway, seems like we might as well leave Wookie to tally up the ratings in October since the week to week ratings are irrelevant cherry picking

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:00 pm

Fred wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:07 pm

To be fair wookie cumulative totals for a code is pointless. Saying fur example that 1 million people watch a show in a year means it is more popular than a show that had half a million viewers is silly if one show had 1000 esipodes and the other 10 for instance.

Except thats not what we are talking about. Were talking about more than 230 game broadcasts per code.

Over the course of a home and away season there is literally a 6 game difference (192-198). They both play the same amount of finals. With Origin, that pegs back to 3 games. Another 6 rep fixtures and they lead by 3.

Throw in the preseason, and the AFL added 26 games to 3 NRL preseason broadcasts and 3 Nines broadcasts. I also include the Womens Exhibition, and EJ Whitten Games, as well as the Brownlow broadcasts for the AFL, and the Dally M for the NRL.

Total AFL games exceed NRL games by 24 broadcasts over the course of 2016. The AFL lost cumulative ratings over 122 million to 125 million in Australia alone. (122m to 131m when including NZ)

Thats reality.

Break it down anyway you like. It doesnt matter a whit.

But that's far from apples v apples though. Usually every AFL game bar one are shown against another AFL game per round. Where as the NRL show every game in isolation. That's why the AFL win the highest rating home and away games but lose the tally

You only have to look at Saturday night's example. 2 AFL games combined get a total audience of around 1 million, which is what a single game gets on Friday night. This is purely due to concurrent scheduling so counting both as full AFL games is disingenuous. Add Sunday to that equation through the entire season and theres no way the AFL have the same conditions or full games shown on TV

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:53 pm

NlolRL wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:12 pm

But that's far from apples v apples though. Usually every AFL game bar one are shown against another AFL game per round. Where as the NRL show every game in isolation. That's why the AFL win the highest rating home and away games but lose the tally

Theres no real apples v apples comparison to be made. The NRL doesnt get local PAyTv games broadcast on fta in Melbourne, Canberra, Newcastle or Townsville for example. The AFL does.

You only have to look at Saturday night's example. 2 AFL games combined get a total audience of around 1 million, which is what a single game gets on Friday night. This is purely due to concurrent scheduling so counting both as full AFL games is disingenuous. Add Sunday to that equation through the entire season and theres no way the AFL have the same conditions or full games shown on TV

Thats easily cancelled out by the fact the NRL showed one less game a week on FTA and one less game a week in general.
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One less game is a small reduction overall for each round. Showing two games at once halves the audience. Do that 3 times over the weekend and 6 games effectively become 3.

If the NRL is more popular on TV why does it get outrated on Friday night virtually 3-1?

The_Wookie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:00 pm

Fred wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:07 pm

To be fair wookie cumulative totals for a code is pointless. Saying fur example that 1 million people watch a show in a year means it is more popular than a show that had half a million viewers is silly if one show had 1000 esipodes and the other 10 for instance.

Except thats not what we are talking about. Were talking about more than 230 game broadcasts per code.

Over the course of a home and away season there is literally a 6 game difference (192-198). They both play the same amount of finals. With Origin, that pegs back to 3 games. Another 6 rep fixtures and they lead by 3.

Throw in the preseason, and the AFL added 26 games to 3 NRL preseason broadcasts and 3 Nines broadcasts. I also include the Womens Exhibition, and EJ Whitten Games, as well as the Brownlow broadcasts for the AFL, and the Dally M for the NRL.

Total AFL games exceed NRL games by 24 broadcasts over the course of 2016. The AFL lost cumulative ratings over 122 million to 125 million in Australia alone. (122m to 131m when including NZ)

Thats reality.

Break it down anyway you like. It doesnt matter a whit.

Geez.. Thank goodness you came into this thread and put some sense into it...

yep couldn't of stated it any better.