Talking Footy

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Dont forget to take way the 16 million for NZ you currently get and the internet rights you get per year. This is surley an extra 20 million a year. SO it might be closer to 320 million for the NRL. (sorry edited my last post late).

why are we taking that out ?
its revenue for the NRL isn't it ...

the online rights are included in the VFL's 250 mill a year rights deal ... & everything else too .. which makes up their 430 Mill
we'll do the same with any source of revenue we get thank you

430 mill to 340mill

end of

Let me explain it to you. Lets say the NRL are on 170 million (including the 83 for current TV rights) what you forgot was the current NZ rights 16 million + current internet rights (I have no idea what that is). So without any TV/internet rights the revenue would be about 70 million. So 70million + 250 million from the new deal would only add up to 320 million. Sorry if I didn't explain this well. 320 million is still a good number and you might get more from other sources.

yep see what yr saying now
so we'll be at 320 to 330 ( probably closer to 330m based on my figures above )

but thats based on the assumption that the NRL will not increase its non TV revenue as well
they have set themselves a goal of 100m a year in non TV revenue by the end of 2017

meaning they could get to 360M a year in total revenue by then
& again
no useless expansion clubs eating up their money ... like the VFL has [/quote]
Except the nRLs expected 1.2b tv rights (when including NZ and internet rights) over 5 yrs includes 100m contra. Therefore its more like 1.1b. That's 220m per year. Add that to 70m and youre on 290m per year, or close to 150m behind the AFL per year [/quote]


the VFL's rights deal includes 150m in contra
therefore its deal is actually .... also 1.1 Billion

220m a year
add that to the VFL's 170m in non TV revenue ... & you guys are only on 390 million a year in revenue

100m difference
& again
when you take out the money spent on yr new clubs .... its a lot less then this

Slight profit to the demons.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/AFL/melbour ... 6529006669

piesman2011 wrote:

Slight profit to the demons.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/news ... fault.aspx

ah..... is article is 12 months old

Raiderdave wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Slight profit to the demons.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/news ... fault.aspx

ah..... is article is 12 months old

My bad fixed now.

http://www.AFL.com.au/news/2012-12-05/p ... house-pies

Record profit for the Pies.

Operating Profit
Collingwood – $4,860,000
Richmond – $3,017,742
North Melbourne – $1,193,080
Hawthorn – $1,288,810
St Kilda – $631,135
Essendon – $401,429
Geelong – $322,000
Melbourne $77,618


Operating Loss
Western Bulldogs – ($136,679)
Carlton – ($683,799)
Brisbane – ($2,513,262)
Port Adelaide – ($4,120,000)

With help from
http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/gove ... l-reports/
Thanks to Eels.

piesman2011 wrote:

Operating Profit
Collingwood – $4,860,000
Richmond – $3,017,742
North Melbourne – $1,193,080
Hawthorn – $1,288,810
St Kilda – $631,135
Essendon – $401,429
Geelong – $322,000
Melbourne $77,618


Operating Loss
Western Bulldogs – ($136,679)
Carlton – ($683,799)
Brisbane – ($2,513,262)
Port Adelaide – ($4,120,000)

With help from
http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/gove ... l-reports/
Thanks to Eels.

Collingwoods profit is 40% of the raiders yearly budget, which includes 6m in handouts!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 6533210926

Sea eagles 1.5m loss.

Wow, shocking result on such a small yearly budget!

Xman wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 6533210926

Sea eagles 1.5m loss.

Wow, shocking result on such a small yearly budget!

it was reported ... BY WHO ?

just a rumor


try harder marcus ................

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 6533210926

Sea eagles 1.5m loss.

Wow, shocking result on such a small yearly budget!

it was reported ... BY WHO ?

just a rumor


try harder marcus ................

but but but

Sea Eagles, premiers last year and still in the red even with a tiny budget

nRL and its clubs... pathetic

''If we can't reach an agreement, what do you do next? The only thing we can do is make the decision we think is right for the game.'' Asked how the commission came to the $225 million figure, Grant said officials had done so knowing that the AFL has put aside far more in recent years: ''We costed the strategic plan - what would it cost to implement all of the initiatives in the strategic plan, and we came up with $300 million more than the $225 million?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/806 ... for-future

So the NRL are desperate to keep pace with the AFL by saving as much money for the future as possible but are still falling well short of the AFL This is even before the nRL players put their hands out for an increase...

Oh nRL, why bother trying to match the finances of the AFL?! you just haven't got the following!

The_Wookie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Dont forget to take way the 16 million for NZ you currently get and the internet rights you get per year. This is surley an extra 20 million a year. SO it might be closer to 320 million for the NRL. (sorry edited my last post late).

why are we taking that out ?
its revenue for the NRL isn't it ...

the online rights are included in the VFL's 250 mill a year rights deal ... & everything else too .. which makes up their 430 Mill
we'll do the same with any source of revenue we get thank you

430 mill to 340mill

end of

Let me explain it to you. Lets say the NRL are on 170 million (including the 83 for current TV rights) what you forgot was the current NZ rights 16 million + current internet rights (I have no idea what that is). So without any TV/internet rights the revenue would be about 70 million. So 70million + 250 million from the new deal would only add up to 320 million. Sorry if I didn't explain this well. 320 million is still a good number and you might get more from other sources.

yep see what yr saying now
so we'll be at 320 to 330 ( probably closer to 330m based on my figures above )

but thats based on the assumption that the NRL will not increase its non TV revenue as well
they have set themselves a goal of 100m a year in non TV revenue by the end of 2017

meaning they could get to 360M a year in total revenue by then
& again
no useless expansion clubs eating up their money ... like the VFL has [/quote]
Except the nRLs expected 1.2b tv rights (when including NZ and internet rights) over 5 yrs includes 100m contra. Therefore its more like 1.1b. That's 220m per year. Add that to 70m and youre on 290m per year, or close to 150m behind the AFL per year [/quote]


the VFL's rights deal includes 150m in contra
therefore its deal is actually .... also 1.1 Billion

220m a year
add that to the VFL's 170m in non TV revenue ... & you guys are only on 390 million a year in revenue

100m difference
& again
when you take out the money spent on yr new clubs .... its a lot less then this [/quote]

NRL Finances total last year was 170 million including the 83 odd million they got for tv.
AFL Finances last year totaled in at 334 million including the 139 million they got in tv cash, + a further 15 million from Radio and TV rights (an additional 68 million over the 5 years)

This year under current arrangements, the NRL will recieve its final 83 million payment + 90 million in advance from the new tv deal, giving them somewhere in the vicinity of 360 million.
The AFL at the same time will take in 227 million in media rights cash (after contra has been removed) + the 180 million in non tv revenue (assumes 0 growth - something that hasnt happened since the 80s) will take it to around 407 million. Perhaps we could talk assets where under the last finances rerported the AFL had 97 million in net assets and more than 198 million in actual assets. The NRLs assets in 2010 were reported at Zero - they couldnt get a bank loan according to roy masters, but they've built a new HQ since then.

And if the AFL takes out the 220 million allocated to new clubs, then the NRL can remove the 225 allocated to "the future fund" or whats left of it once the players take a slice. The 90 million advance now though wont be available later.[/quote]

Good summary Wookie.

Would you say that in some ways the NRL finances this year will be inflated due to recieving almost the equivilent of a double payment for its TV rights this year? If so would this in turn mean that the NRL will revieve a much reduced payment in their final year (if they keep getting a 90 million upfront payment every year for the term of the contract)? Unless they negotiate a similar payment for their next contract of course.

The_Wookie wrote:

And if the AFL takes out the 220 million allocated to new clubs, then the NRL can remove the 225 allocated to "the future fund" or whats left of it once the players take a slice. The 90 million advance now though wont be available later.

and apart from the new clubs ... how much is the VFL going to spend on the other 16 clubs & the rest of the game across Australia
5 bucks ?

... we've got another delusional singlet wearing D head here folks

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

And if the AFL takes out the 220 million allocated to new clubs, then the NRL can remove the 225 allocated to "the future fund" or whats left of it once the players take a slice. The 90 million advance now though wont be available later.

and apart from the new clubs ... how much is the VFL going to spend on the other 16 clubs & the rest of the game across Australia
5 bucks ?

... we've got another delusional singlet wearing D head here folks

And the nRL and their grants to each team? The AFL earn more even without TV revenue. They've just got more money to spend Dave. Even you can figure that one out champ.

The_Wookie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

And if the AFL takes out the 220 million allocated to new clubs, then the NRL can remove the 225 allocated to "the future fund" or whats left of it once the players take a slice. The 90 million advance now though wont be available later.

and apart from the new clubs ... how much is the VFL going to spend on the other 16 clubs & the rest of the game across Australia
5 bucks ?

... we've got another delusional singlet wearing D head here folks

Im the delusional one? if you say so champ.

How much will it spend on the other 16 clubs, well lets see theres the 160 million a year+ that it gives to all clubs as part of the standard grant. (was 159 million last year - the entire NRL income was 170 million). The league further funds at least 5 of the 7 state and territory leagues that are its direct subsidaries. The league will send millions overseas in development funding. It is actively looking at buying Docklands stadium, which many expect to happen before the end of this tv deal.

on top of all other funding
you have 2 clubs ALONE ... that will cost your code up to a quarter of a billion dollars over the 5 year period of this TV deal
that we don't have

like I said
talk about closing the gap financially between these 2 codes..... overnight