Talking Footy

eelofwest wrote:

Please go in cheap Nine, would love to get rid of you once and for all. 10 put in a 20% overs so we can finally rid our self of these Merkins.
News Ltd getting desperate now, watch all the negative tv rights articles come up in the next phew weeks from News ltd papers.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6349290817

Funny how you believe the positive "1.4b plus" articles but disregard the "less than a billion" articles as propaganda!

League's $1 billion dream is set to fall short of reality, with Channel 9 and Fox Sports lodging bids well short of what many in the game hoped for.

ARLC boss David Gallop has refused to speculate on a precise figure, but with the AFL having brokered a $1.253 billion deal last year, it is widely believed rugby league's governors are eyeing a broadcasting payday above $900 million.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/d ... 6349264546

If this is true It is just the first offer, so with some negotiation this will go up. The other question that needs to be answered is does this include the phone, internet and NZ broadcast rights? Again like previous articles this is just speculation in my opinion.

piesman2011 wrote:

If this is true It is just the first offer, so with some negotiation this will go up. The other question that needs to be answered is does this include the phone, internet and NZ broadcast rights? Again like previous articles this is just speculation in my opinion.

Now the SMH is saying they put in a joint bid of 1b.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... =text-only
Really who do you believe the daily tele and Australian who work for News Ltd/9 or the newpaper with no agenda? :D
Anyway it looks like no one knows whats going on atm.
Pies you a different breed of AFL fan to what we are use to, you actually use your brain and don't believe all the News ltd bull unlike our friend Xman good to see. =D>

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1y973.html
Under-20s could get a free kick in new TV deal May 8, 2012

Read later.
Bursting into the limelight ... rugby league's youth completion may be opened up to a bigger audience if Channel Ten wins broadcast rights. Photo: Getty Images

UNDER-20s matches could be broadcast on free-to-air television if Channel Ten wins the rights to Monday Night Football and Sunday afternoon games.

With rights holders Channel Nine and Fox Sports yesterday tabling bids believed to be worth $1 billion for the rights to all NRL and representative fixtures until 2017, the ARL Commission will now open negotiations with rival broadcasters.

While no announcement is expected until August, the Herald understands that Channel Ten representatives intend to make contact with the ARLC today.

Advertisement: Story continues below Ten is interested in any premium sport content, and the Herald was told yesterday by a number of sources that the network will bid strongly for Monday Night Football and a Sunday afternoon game.

In addition, Ten might offer to broadcast the National Youth Competition, which regularly out-rates A-League football and Super Rugby matches on pay-TV.

The recent under-20s State of Origin match was shown head-to-head with the NSW Waratahs-Melbourne Rebels clash on FoxSports and attracted an audience of 139,000 compared with 160,000 for the Super Rugby fixture.

It is expected that such a proposal would be viewed favourably by the ARLC but Ten will face fierce competition from Nine and Seven for NRL matches.

Channel Seven is keen on State of Origin, and there are even

suggestions the broadcaster could bid for all NRL matches. Seven could then onsell the rights to some matches or broadcast them on secondary channels.

Neither the NRL, Nine nor Fox Sports would divulge details of the offers lodged by 5pm yesterday as that would undermine the broadcasters's prospects of retaining the right to make a final bid after the other networks have submitted theirs.

However, given that Nine and FoxSports would lose the last right of refusal on the new broadcast deal if a rival bid is 20 per cent higher than the offers they submitted yesterday, it is expected the current rights holders would have made significant bids.

Nine cannot afford to lose the NRL rights, while Foxtel needs rugby league to stay afloat financially as the code dominates pay-TV ratings figures, and many fans would be expected to quit their subscriptions.

Industry sources suggested Nine and Fox Sports were likely to offer $100 million each a year over five years, although it is believed Fox Sports will pay a greater percentage of the $1 billion deal if Nine forgoes exclusivity to free-to-air matches to enable the pay-tv broadcaster to offer subscribers live coverage of all eight matches each week.

Fox Sports is also thought to have offered to establish an NRL channel identical to the AFL channel it launched this season after winning the AFL pay-TV rights.

It is understood Nine is keen to broadcast four matches each week - an increase from the two Friday night games and one Sunday afternoon matches it shows on free-to-air.

Nine and Fox Sports have also discussed forming a joint venture to buy all the NRL rights and then decide how to divide the spoils.

However, the ARLC would prefer to split the rights itself, and is expected to seek separate offers for the following television ''franchises'':

Friday night double-header;

Super Saturday

Sunday afternoon

Sunday evening

Monday Night Football

The return of a Saturday afternoon match and introduction of Thursday night games have also been mooted.

The amount of the new TV rights deal will determine the size of the ARLC's annual grant to clubs and the salary cap for players for the next five years.

Figures up to $1.4 billion have been mentioned for the next rights deal. The ARLC confirmed offers from Nine and Fox Sports had been received but would not speculate on the amounts.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z1uEcEPOxH

Xman wrote:

League's $1 billion dream is set to fall short of reality, with Channel 9 and Fox Sports lodging bids well short of what many in the game hoped for.

ARLC boss David Gallop has refused to speculate on a precise figure, but with the AFL having brokered a $1.253 billion deal last year, it is widely believed rugby league's governors are eyeing a broadcasting payday above $900 million.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/d ... 6349264546

I found this part interesting in the Nrws Ltd article

the first six months of the AFL's widely reported five-year, $1.25 billion deal with Channel 7 and Fox Sports has revealed the networks paid too much and are struggling to recoup their investments.

Telstra paid $37 million for digital rights but so far has managed to attract just 30,000 extra subscriptions.

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

League's $1 billion dream is set to fall short of reality, with Channel 9 and Fox Sports lodging bids well short of what many in the game hoped for.

ARLC boss David Gallop has refused to speculate on a precise figure, but with the AFL having brokered a $1.253 billion deal last year, it is widely believed rugby league's governors are eyeing a broadcasting payday above $900 million.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/d ... 6349264546

I found this part interesting in the Nrws Ltd article

the first six months of the AFL's widely reported five-year, $1.25 billion deal with Channel 7 and Fox Sports has revealed the networks paid too much and are struggling to recoup their investments.

Telstra paid $37 million for digital rights but so far has managed to attract just 30,000 extra subscriptions.

Which is funny given the AFL ratings are through the roof this year. If ch7 were expecting better than what they are currently getting, given they have the same number of games but now show none exclusively, that's their own fault. They said at the very start that they were paying overs for the AFL on its own. It was the increase in ratings for their programs overall why they were willing to pay so much. :D

Through the roof? they'd struggle to fit under a snakes belly.

pussycat wrote:

Through the roof? they'd struggle to fit under a snakes belly.

Smashing the NRL by some margin!

The AFL have averaged well over 4million per round and the NRL less than 3 million!bthis is despite the fact the AFL have only 6 exclusive game times and the NRL at least 7 per weekend! Counting the ratings as rating hours is even more of a smashing! The NRL get 600-700k over 2 hours on FN. the AFL have been getting over 700k FTA plus 250-300k payTV over 3 hours!

:D

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Through the roof? they'd struggle to fit under a snakes belly.

Smashing the NRL by some margin!

The AFL have averaged well over 4million per round and the NRL less than 3 million!bthis is despite the fact the AFL have only 6 exclusive game times and the NRL at least 7 per weekend! Counting the ratings as rating hours is even more of a smashing! The NRL get 600-700k over 2 hours on FN. the AFL have been getting over 700k FTA plus 250-300k payTV over 3 hours!

:D

The plain ignorance in ignoring regionals from you xman is astounding/mind boggling.
We have gone over how much advert dollars is spent in regional NSW/QLD compared to regional WA,SA,VIC.
We already know NRL regionals are huge when compared to AFL regionals, why are you so ignorant that you keep shutting these facts out?
Ignorance is bliss hey Xman.

Because there are no accurate regional figures available, Eel.

How can there be ignorance, when all we have is bits and pieces that can not possibly tell the right story?

Needed to be said.

eelofwest wrote:

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Through the roof? they'd struggle to fit under a snakes belly.

Smashing the NRL by some margin!

The AFL have averaged well over 4million per round and the NRL less than 3 million!bthis is despite the fact the AFL have only 6 exclusive game times and the NRL at least 7 per weekend! Counting the ratings as rating hours is even more of a smashing! The NRL get 600-700k over 2 hours on FN. the AFL have been getting over 700k FTA plus 250-300k payTV over 3 hours!

:D

The plain ignorance in ignoring regionals from you xman is astounding/mind boggling.
We have gone over how much advert dollars is spent in regional NSW/QLD compared to regional WA,SA,VIC.
We already know NRL regionals are huge when compared to AFL regionals, why are you so ignorant that you keep shutting these facts out?
Ignorance is bliss hey Xman.

Put the farcicle regionals in!

Last years figures (added up by an NRL media person) show the NRL had 1.2m per round and the AFL 800k. That isn't going to close the gap now is it!

Plus the AFL regionals have clearly gone up this year just like the metro figures. Tasmania for example were rating about 50k for most FN games last year. They've rated well over that for most FN games this year! =D>

Regionals or no regionals the AFL wins, despite the NRL having 1-2 more games shown per weekend and a longer season!

So, come on guys, let's have your official guesses....

For starters it obviously looks like 9 & FS couldn't get their act together in time and are bidding on the original properties.

Note that this article contradict the one the other that goes into detail about ad breaks etc - and that those plans are already in motion.

But anyhow examining it for what it is -

* Blame it on the AFL - rather than the company that pays Kent who want to f**k over the game at every turn... also they try and turn into an AFL vs NRL issue rather than a NRL fans vs Fox/9 issue

* The AFL's figures are less than sparkling - yet since the start of the season we've heard continuous propaganda about how strong the ratings are - it has actually shown that simulcast works

* AFL boats a pre-season comp - oh well... how will the NRL ever overcome that...

* It's a fluke that the AFL states have low ad revenue - they've never had as much AFL content as they do. There's a two word reason why there's a disparity between NSW/QLD and those states - it's called Rugby League

* To attract more subscriptions in those states Fox Sports created a fully dedicated AFL channel which has brought sparkling ratings through existing customers - but not enough new subscriptions to justify the cost. - Bullshit. First quarter THIRD year dumb arse - check their own strategy

* Given the two major rugby league states, NSW and Queensland, already have a much higher percentage of pay-TV subscriptions, there is less upside for the pay-TV subscriber to compete for the NRL rights. - not even Foxtel believes that they'll retain all their CURRENT viewers in 2020 - they need to grow viewers to account for the ones they're going to lose to NBN etc

* About introducing mandatory ad breaks during games, a proposal Nine has distanced itself from. - If only the head of the network hadn't come out so publically in favour of it we might believe that


* Nine and Fox Sports will next come together to see if they can provide a joint agreement before the NRL goes to an open market - bullshit. The NRL has no legal requirement to give Nine another first opportunity to pull their shit together. Time line is past. All aboard!

course Kent forgot to add this little comment at the bottom-


*"This piece of diversionary propaganda bought and paid for by News Limited - f**king Rugby League over since 1997"

I give it about 2 weeks max before 7 do their thing. From 7's perspective
7 Wins The Rights -

Pro: 9, 10 & Foxtel go into competition against each other to get the scraps, 7 keeps the top shelf for itself, makes money from the second network auction. They can also set up a better simulcast deal with Foxtel then what they have with the AFL - in other words they can do a Wally Lewis and dictate terms.

Pro: they split the halo & steal part of 9's F2A ad base, grow their youth base

Con: they may be left with all the rights if the other networks don't want to bid - BUT - that auction would be a totally blind auction so that scenario is highly unlikely. All 3 parties would be left guessing as to what the others would be doing. Ask yourself - what are the consequences for each if they fail to get even part of the NRL package.

Con: temporary share price adjustment but they're big enough to cover it in the short term

7 Don't Win The Rights -

Pro: but by driving up the price they force 9 & 10 out of other programming (not just sports, but overall network

Pro: may kill off F&LR for 2018 auction

No cons, status quo obviously