Talking Footy

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

As it stands now, with whats been reported and assuming that comes to pass and what not - given the long form of the NRL media rights hasnt even been signed yet and all. Assumes the Roy Masters article that predicts 2 million for radio is correct, and the latest AFR article predicting Telstra sign on for 100 million is correct. It also assumes no more than 100 million for New Zealand.



Id include handy references but you can go here for them just as easy: http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/the- ... dia-deals/

I assume you've done the maths, subtracting the 90 million advance payment designed to keep NRL clubs from going to the wall, you've factored in that 255 million "spending money" will lose about 225 million to the NRL future fund so it can actually implement whatever pipedreams emanate from the ARLC in its fight against the evils of AFL. I could go on. I assume that people have actually read demetrious statemement about the 220 million - spent over 6 years not 5 - and he says "invested" not investing. Past tense. Make of that what you will. Even if its not, it becomes 183 million over 5 years, not 220 million.
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Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/AFL-pre ... z2En6IgNp7

Wookie the only problem with that graph is you and everybody else are assuming the NZ Sky deal is worth 100m. It is worth more imo.

Wookie: Just on this - and I havent troubled myself to read the whole thread

Im almost certain there is a bit of a deal at the moment where the rugby league players union are concerned they arent getting their mites out of the future fund. The Commission has set aside $225 million for the NRL future fund - done specifically with the amount set aside by the AFL in mind.

The Telstra deal as reported today includes a 5 year extension of the 15 million a year naming rights deal, meaning that Telstras mobile and 3 game IPTV deal would be worth $5 million a year or 25 mllion in total (as opposed to the 155 million paid to the AFL). The NZ deal has been reported as having an upper likelihood of 100 million (as opposed to the pennies if anything that the AFL get for them), radio rights will add 2 million according to Roy Masters (as opposed to the 23.2 million paid to the AFL). The known - but as yet not completely finalised version of the nrls media rights is worth 1.025 billion (+ a possible 30 million for an extra thursday game apparently paid for by Channel 9, kept secret from Foxtel, and not in the heads of agreement signed in August). With that in mind, and based on presently reported figures if they signed as they are:

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)
AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules).

Wookie you were really wide of the mark on that one...

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news ... 2b9ak.html

As the NRL unveiled another financial windfall via a naming and digital rights deal with Telstra worth more than $100 million,

Wookie the last 6 months for the NRL rights deals all have something in common so far wanna know what it is?????????????????????????


Double...................... =D> =D>

Now if we double the NZ Sky deal like all our other deals then we are looking at this figure.

16 TEAM NRL 1.327,000 =D> =D>
18 TEAM AFL 1.322,000 - 220m over 5 years = 1.102,000

There is a good chance of this happening weather you like to believe it or not. :D

Optus and Vodafone subscribers will be able to download the NRL app and access matches for a fee, the proceeds of which will be split between Telstra and the NRL.

Foxtel subscribers can also get access to matches on tablets through the Foxtel Go app.

The arrangement is in contrast to last year’s $150 million deal for AFL digital rights, which limits access to Telstra subscribers.
“That is a big strategic decision, to make content available to any mobile user,” Telstra CEO David Thodey said.

“But we will continue to differentiate it on the Telstra network, obviously, and make it a richer experience, we hope. But people can still get access to that content, so the potential customer base is a lot higher."

http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies ... vyhrhNKlvM

Our deal is worth even more now the fact all subscribers can DL for free.....well done Mr Grant. =D> =D>

So for the NRL to squeeze out a win they need to include funds from another country and double that payment to 200m


good luck with that

But I've got some bad news. You calculations assume the Toyota are still paying the same amount for their naming rights as 8 years ago, when all other sponsorships and deals have all but doubled. LIES

Sorry, but even if NZ pay 200m you still can't win

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Regionals mean nothing aye, I bet we'll see a far few country folk sign up to watch the NRL online.

Btw, how much is it to watch the Southern game online per month? Wouldn't mind hooking up this legal streaming stuff and be done with it, I'll pay the fee and help boost the NRL's coffers that way as well as my membership.

Well done Grant, a job well done on negotiating where the NRL gets a split of the profits from non Telstra users whereas the vFL don't, you sure showed them up

The_Wookie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Stewie wrote:

nRL only get $2 million from radio?

15 million you blithering c.ockhead

look ******. show me a single source that claims 15 million.

The price of the rights will be less than $2 million....

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2Eqh6JVME

THE NRL's new media rights deal has put the game within shouting distance of the AFL's rich broadcast deal - considered the standard bearer of modern rights contracts - and places further pressure on the NRL to raise the salary cap.

ARLC commissioner John Grant confirmed Telstra had extended its major sponsorship yesterday while revealing fans will also be able to watch games live on their mobile phones and tablets.

The announcement came as the latest round of collective bargaining was taking place between the NRL and the players association across town.

By securing Telstra as a naming rights sponsor and building a new media element into the deal, the ARLC has secured the latest round of a series of contract negotiations that will ultimately see the game rival the AFL's much vaunted $1.25 billion deal.

"We have still got radio and international rights there to go, and New Zealand rights to come yet,'' Grant said.

"Our assessment is that we will be $1.2 billion plus at the end of all that.

"It's a wonderful outcome.''

Grant's enthusiasm is well placed.

When the NRL first began its broadcasting negotiations the AFL figure was dismissed as unachievable, despite the interest from all three networks.

And while there are differences in both the NRL and AFL deals that make an "apples for apples'' comparison next to impossible, the ARLC is ecstatic with the outcomes.

It naturally led to discussions on how it would affect the current round of collective bargaining negotiations, where the players association is pushing for a 20 per cent pay rise.

While Grant acknowledged there would be an expectation to bankroll the extra funds into the salary cap, he said it was "not necessarily'' the case.

"That's the discussion we're having with the players at the moment and given we're mid-negotiations it's not appropriate for me to comment on that,'' he said.

"What I will say is the AFL has been in the business, on significant incomes, for 15 years and we have just started."

Both the AFL and NRL contracts contain contra deals, making comparisons difficult.

For example, the AFL has an IPTV element built into its contract, allowing one game per week to be shown on its website. But it receives no revenue for it.

The NRL will receive revenue from tablet viewers, who will have to subscribe through an app.

eelofwest wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

15 million you blithering c.ockhead

look ******. show me a single source that claims 15 million.

The price of the rights will be less than $2 million....

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2Eqh6JVME

Yeah i am with wookie here, not one source has 15m for radio but the radio rights have not been finalized yet.

Stewie wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

look ******. show me a single source that claims 15 million.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2Eqh6JVME

Yeah i am with wookie here, not one source has 15m for radio but the radio rights have not been finalized yet.

Well what do you know, more nRL fans disagreeing with Raiderdave. He really does lower the IQ of the nRL fans on here, doesn't he?

Rabbit wrote:

Not bad for a sport played in two states with 16 teams. In fact quite embarrassing for the AFL.

eelofwest wrote:

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

Wookie the only problem with that graph is you and everybody else are assuming the NZ Sky deal is worth 100m. It is worth more imo.
Wookie you were really wide of the mark on that one...

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news ... 2b9ak.html
Wookie the last 6 months for the NRL rights deals all have something in common so far wanna know what it is?????????????????????????


Double...................... =D> =D>

Now if we double the NZ Sky deal like all our other deals then we are looking at this figure.

16 TEAM NRL 1.327,000 =D> =D>
18 TEAM AFL 1.322,000 - 220m over 5 years = 1.102,000

There is a good chance of this happening weather you like to believe it or not. :D
http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies ... vyhrhNKlvM

Our deal is worth even more now the fact all subscribers can DL for free.....well done Mr Grant. =D> =D>

So for the NRL to squeeze out a win they need to include funds from another country and double that payment to 200m


good luck with that

But I've got some bad news. You calculations assume the Toyota are still paying the same amount for their naming rights as 8 years ago, when all other sponsorships and deals have all but doubled. LIES

Sorry, but even if NZ pay 200m you still can't win

No deal the AFL has done has doubled so what are you talking about?

All the NRL deals have more then doubled in the last 6 months so safe for the NRL fans on this site to assume that our NZ deal will also.
They are not my calculations dunderbrain they are wookies or are from the graph wookie posted........... =D> =D>

Do you even read posts or just posts for the sake of being a troll?......

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

Without knowing the contra part of the Telstra deal, the NRL on face value have passed the AFL. on cash value for the tv rights. This is great work by the Commission.

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there she is .............

The_Wookie wrote:

Xman wrote:

Well given the AFL went from 700m odd to 1.3 I'd say thats near double

Well technically though it didnt.

AFL 2007 media deals
- Channel 7 and 10 - 780 million (695 million in cash). Rights were onsold to Fox.
- Telstra - $60 million
- Radio - $16 million

Total value of that negotiation period cash wise: 771 million, doubling that would take it to over 1.5 billion. Theres no doubt the NRL Commission is finally getting equivelant or better value than the AFL now...just a few years behind thats all. The NRL commission has done a great job getting the cash it so badly needed to get things done.

piesman2011 wrote:

Unfortunately for all of us here debating which code got the better deal, we do know the exact amount of money for the NRL naming/most of the online content. From all reports it is close to 100 million but could be anywhere from 100 -180 million (I think 150 would be max but what do I know).

THE NRL's new media rights deal has put the game within shouting distance of the AFL's rich broadcast deal - considered the standard bearer of modern rights contracts - and places further pressure on the NRL to raise the salary cap.

ARLC commissioner John Grant confirmed Telstra had extended its major sponsorship yesterday while revealing fans will also be able to watch games live on their mobile phones and tablets.

The announcement came as the latest round of collective bargaining was taking place between the NRL and the players association across town.

By securing Telstra as a naming rights sponsor and building a new media element into the deal, the ARLC has secured the latest round of a series of contract negotiations that will ultimately see the game rival the AFL's much vaunted $1.25 billion deal.

"We have still got radio and international rights there to go, and New Zealand rights to come yet,'' Grant said.

"Our assessment is that we will be $1.2 billion plus at the end of all that.

"It's a wonderful outcome.''

Grant's enthusiasm is well placed.

When the NRL first began its broadcasting negotiations the AFL figure was dismissed as unachievable, despite the interest from all three networks.

And while there are differences in both the NRL and AFL deals that make an "apples for apples'' comparison next to impossible, the ARLC is ecstatic with the outcomes.

It naturally led to discussions on how it would affect the current round of collective bargaining negotiations, where the players association is pushing for a 20 per cent pay rise.

While Grant acknowledged there would be an expectation to bankroll the extra funds into the salary cap, he said it was "not necessarily'' the case.

"That's the discussion we're having with the players at the moment and given we're mid-negotiations it's not appropriate for me to comment on that,'' he said.

"What I will say is the AFL has been in the business, on significant incomes, for 15 years and we have just started."

Both the AFL and NRL contracts contain contra deals, making comparisons difficult.

For example, the AFL has an IPTV element built into its contract, allowing one game per week to be shown on its website. But it receives no revenue for it.

The NRL will receive revenue from tablet viewers, who will have to subscribe through an app.

Telstra and the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) today signed a five-year rights deal for the broadcasting of live matches on mobiles and tablets for close to AU$180 million.

The negotiations for the rights had been taking place since last year and, at the time, Optus had pre-emptively taken the National Rugby League (NRL) to court seeking to prove that its TV cloud-recording application TV Now was not a breach of the NRL's copyright. The app allowed iPhone users to play live broadcast content within two minutes of it going to air. Telstra became a party to the case on the NRL's side because of the negotiations over broadcasting rights.

Optus ultimately lost the case and had subsequently shut down the TV Now app and, at the time, Telstra welcomed the ruling and what it would mean for broadcasting rights in the digital space.

Today, Telstra and the ARLC wouldn't disclose the value of the new deal, but said that it was worth double the 2007 agreement, which was reportedly worth AU$90 million, putting the deal at around AU$180 million and close to the value of the agreement Telstra had signed with the Australian Football League (AFL) for its mobile broadcast rights.

Stewie wrote:

I think.....