Not Long Now!

[AFLcrap1]

The can try to spin it any way they want .doesnt alter the fact
RL IS THE MOST WATCHED FOOTBALL CODE IN AUST .
All the but but buts in the world won't change that .

[Fred]

I think there are many variables that make direct comparisons difficult but do agree we should be comparing two games shown on the same night ... not round 1 v round 1.

Also think it is a good point that some would turn over to the AFL after the rl game had finished ... which just muddies the waters.

Not sure there is an easy way around this hence the ongoing debate.

We do know that they pay more for the AFL to rights that is a basic package of home and away plus finals ... whereas the nrl deals includes the soo which is the regular anual sporting event in Australia .... although the Melbourne cup may be more interwoven into the national psyche

It is very straight forward. very! Add up the ratings of both codes. Despite less matches the Rugby league wins by over 6 million. And that's without ratings from the NZ Warriors .

I haven't had the time or inclination but sure, if nrl (home and away and finals) gets on average per game more viewers than the AFL home and away and finals then sure happy to agree. Comparing the nrl comp to the AFL comp that is. If you want to compare codes then sure add in all those extra games such as internationals and soo etc and divide ratings ( which are just an estimate) and include all ratings such as regionals for AFL as well such as tassie and Victoria south Australia and Western Australia for AFL and nrl and not just regional qld and nsw for rl ... and if your average is higher than aussie rules average (hope that includes ratings from state comps too) then great ... rl get, on average, a higher rating per game then Australian rules football last year.

This year will be interesting with the women's Australian rules thrown in the ratings mix.

[pussycat]

You know full well they are., you would have read or heard it 50000 times on this site.


Rating just estimates, but estimates that billions of dollars worth of adverting are spent on .

They were all included and your mob , despite having more games, came up short by 10mil


You could count the ratings from the womans game on one hand!

But but but

[NlolRL]

A few rants back NlolNR, you claimed that the other 200 matches don't matter only the Friday night matches . And the excuse that you used was that these matches correspond.

Of course they matter. However the fact is they are basically non comparable because your Saturday games are on Fox only, ours are shown FTA but directly against other games, Our Sunday games are also shown against other games. We show only a few Thursday games.

The only real comparable game is Friday because both codes have a single game on FTA and Fox, and both in prime time. How are you not getting this??

The match is played at the MCG minus your bottom sides

This is just BS! How does the venue help ratings?? For the record only 6 of the FN games in 2016 were at the MCG

Rnd 1 was TH (no Fr) Carlton18 v Rich5 at the MCG
Rnd 2 was Coll12 v Richmond5 at MCG
Rnd 3 was Port9 v Essendon15 at the Adelaide oval
Rnd 4 was WCE2 v Richmond5 at Subiaco
Rnd 5 was Hawks prem v Adel7 at the MCG
Rnd 6 was Nth8 v Bulldogs6 at Etihad
Rnd 7 was Rich5 v Hawks Prem at the MCG
Rnd 8 was Adel7 v Geel10 at Adelaide oval
Rnd 9 was Hawks prem v Swans4 at the MCG
Rnd 10 was Syd4 v Nth8 at the SCG
Rnd 11 was Nth8 v Rich5 in Hobart
Rnd 12 was Ess15 v Haw prem at Etihad,
Rnd 13 was NthM 8v Haw prem at Etihad stadium
Rnd 14 was Coll12 v Freo1 at Etihad stadium.
Rnd 15 was Port9 v Richmond5 at Adelaide oval.
Rnd 16 was Geel10 v Swans4 in Geelong
Rnd 17 was Fre1 v Geel10 in Perth
Rnd 18 was Coll12 v Nth8 at Etihad
Rnd 19 was Geel10 v Bulldogs6 in Geelong
Rnd 20 was Rich5 v Coll12 at the MCG
Rnd 21 was Bulldogs6 v Coll12 at Etihad
Rnd 22 was Eagles2 v Hawks prem in Perth
Rnd 23 was Adel7 v Eagles2 in Adelaide

For the NRL
Rnd 1 Manly9 v Ctby5
Rnd 2 broncos2 v NZ13
Rnd 3 Ctby5 v Eels12
Rnd 4 Broncos2 v NthQ Prem
Rnd 5 GC14 v Broncos2
Rnd 6 Syd1 v SouthSyd7
Rnd 7 NQld Prem v South7
Rnd 8 Broncos2 v Souths7
Rnd 9 Eels12 v Ctby5
Rnd 10 Eels12 v Souths7
Rnd 11 NthQ Prem v Broncos 2
Rnd 12 Broncos2 v Wests15
Rnd 13 Maly9 v Canb10
Rnd 14 Wests15 v Souths7
Rnd 15 Souths7 v Eels12
Rnd 16 Souths7 v Penrith11
Rnd 17 Broncos2 v Melb4
Rnd 18 Eels12 v Syd1
Rnd 19 Titans14 v StG8
Rnd 20 Broncos2 v Penrith11
Rnd 21 Ctby5 v StG8
Rnd 22 Eels12 v manly9
Rnd 23 Broncos2 v Eels12
Rnd 24 Penrith11 v Wests15
Rnd 25 Mel4 v Broncos2
Rnd26 Ctby5 v Souths7

Games involving premiers: AFL 6, NRL 3
Games involving 1st from 2015: AFL 1, NRL 2
Games involving 2nd from 2015: AFL 3, NRL 9
Games involving top 8 team from 2015: AFL 22, NRL 23
Games involving bottom 8 team from 2015: AFL 13, NRL 17
Games involving bottom 4 team from 2015: AFL 3, NRL 3

Well, there we have it. More proof that you're an idiot and the king of but but excuses. The Friday night schedules are very similar in how many games involve top teams and bottom teams.

So now that we have that out of the way, try explaining how you got trounced by 17 to 5 in these head to head comparisons, and 26 to 5 counting finals games.............

[NlolRL]

Furthermore on your claim that these matches correspond. When I lined them up 1 on1, first round v first round, it was 5 to 7 for the first twelve matches. No No No But But But it should be 1st rd v3rd. or 4th whatever best suits your argument. You dismiss the opening round matches, despite the fact that the opening match of our competitions is actually something that is relevant. Then in the final rounds you make up some very rubbery regional numbers to try and prove your point . And what about Rd 25? that match rated as well as any club game this year , but you choose to ignore it.

1. Why the hell would you compare round v round? They're 4 weeks apart! That's just stupidity.
2. They werent rubbery regionals, they were based on 1/3rd metro audience for the AFL, and 2/3rd for the NRL. We've accepted that as a reasonable average for years, and in the absence of regional figures for all rounds on this site it's reasonable.
3. What Rnd 25 match?

And when I bring up facts like not all people are like us .There are NRL fans out there who will switch over after the league game and watch the final hour of the AFL especially if it's a good game. No No No just propanda but but but but AFL is king , I Know it is , just because, but but but

If NRL fans switch over to watch AFL wouldnt they also be considered AFL fans?? You want to exclude them because they also watch RL?

[AFLcrap1]

Silver silver silver for AFL
Rl wins by millions
Youre struggling to deal with that fact

[NlolRL]

AFL Folks,

I did the Ratings Estimate for both codes last year, and we definitely lost bu millions. Theres no two ways around it. The only argument there is is the averages for an AFL game go longer.

Womens footy doesnt appear to have added, rather its cannibalised the preseason game, and the total ratings are probably similar at the cost of average ratings per game.

I've never contested losing the season tally. What I contest is it's importance, and the reason it happens given the AFL clearly lead the direct comparisons

[NlolRL]

Silver silver silver for AFL
Rl wins by millions
Youre struggling to deal with that fact

NRL Gold, silver, silver, silver, silver
AFL Gold, gold, gold, gold, silver

[NlolRL]

OK, here's Pussy's ludicrous idea to compare round v round, rather than games on the same night, so the games are actually played 1 month apart

The AFL still win this comparison 16 to 7 despite the NRL having no sporting competition in the first 4 rounds. So are there any other crazy ways you'd like to compare games Pussy?

Rnd 1:
AFL (TH) Car v Rich 1104k
NRL (TH) Eels v Broncos 1241k WIN

Rnd 2:
AFL Coll v Richmond 1215k WIN
NRL Manly v Cantb 1028k

Rnd 3:
AFL Power v Ess 930k
NRL Ctby v Eels 981k WIN

Rnd 4:
AFL WC v Richmond 1025k
NRL Broncos Nth Qld 1121k WIN

Rnd 5:
AFL Haw v Adel 1322k WIN
NRL GC v Broncos 951k

Rnd 6:
AFL Nth v Bulldogs 1214k WIN
NRL Sth Syd v Syd 1005k

Rnd 7:
AFL Haw v Richmond 1125k WIN
NRL NQLD v Sth Syd 1060k

Rnd 8:
AFL Adel v Geel 1322k WIN
NRL Broncos v Sth Syd 1089k

Rnd 9:
AFL Haw v Syd 1356k WIN
NRL Eels v Bulldogs 1159k

Rnd 10:
AFL Syd v NthM 1298k WIN
NRL Eels v Sth Syd 966k

Rnd 11:
AFL Nth v Rich 1003k (estimated regionals @1/3rd metro)
NRL Nth Q v Broncos 1226k WIN

Rnd 12:
AFL Ess v Hawth 902k
NRL Broncos v tiger 1034k WIN

Rnd 13:
AFL Nth v Hawth 1372k (estimated regionals) WIN
NRL Canb v manly 1006k

Rnd 14:
AFL Coll v Fre 919k (est regionals)
NRL Tigers v Sth Syd 923k WIN

Rnd 15:
AFL Port v Rich 915k (est regionals)
NRL Sth Syd v Eels 935k WIN

Rnd 16:
AFL Geel v Syd 1139k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Penrith v Sth Syd 889k

Rnd 17:
AFL Freo v Geel 1123k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Melb v Broncos 1073k (estimated regionals @ 2/3rd metro)

Rnd 18:
AFL Coll v NthM 1121k (est regionals) WIN
NRL P\Eels v Syd 968k (est regionals)

Rnd 19:
AFL Geel v Bulldogs 1148k (est regionals) WIN
NRL StG v Titans 724k (est regionals)

Rnd 20:
AFL Rich v Coll 1038k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Broncos v Penrith 959k (est regionals)

Rnd 21:
AFL Bulldogs v Coll 1042 (est regionals) WIN
NRL Cant v StG 856k (est regionals)

Rnd 22:
AFL WC v Haw 1194k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Eels v Manly 876k (est regionals)

Rnd 23:
AFL Adel v Wc 1167k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Broncos v Eels 870k (est regionals)

[Terry]

Someone please shut this thread down and put this dill out of his misery........lolololololololol. War is over if you want it........lololololololol!!!!

[NlolRL]

Someone please shut this thread down and put this dill out of his misery........lolololololololol. War is over if you want it........lololololololol!!!!

thanks for your valuable input Terry. A very typical response from you. But maybe if you've got nothing of substance to add leave the discussion to those who have

[pussycat]

A few rants back NlolNR, you claimed that the other 200 matches don't matter only the Friday night matches . And the excuse that you used was that these matches correspond.

Of course they matter. However the fact is they are basically non comparable because your Saturday games are on Fox only, ours are shown FTA but directly against other games, Our Sunday games are also shown against other games. We show only a few Thursday games.

The only real comparable game is Friday because both codes have a single game on FTA and Fox, and both in prime time. How are you not getting this??

The match is played at the MCG minus your bottom sides

This is just BS! How does the venue help ratings?? For the record only 6 of the FN games in 2016 were at the MCG
Just further rubbish! the AFL showpiece is Friday night. The match is played at the MCG minus your bottom sides. they are not permitted in this timeslot - Last year 4 last I think it was 5 the year before - about 25% ie. its your match of the round. That is not the case with the NRL there match of the round is Friday/Thursday or even Wednesday.

Rnd 1 was TH (no Fr) Carlton18 v Rich5 at the MCG
Rnd 2 was Coll12 v Richmond5 at MCG
Rnd 3 was Port9 v Essendon15 at the Adelaide oval
Rnd 4 was WCE2 v Richmond5 at Subiaco
Rnd 5 was Hawks prem v Adel7 at the MCG
Rnd 6 was Nth8 v Bulldogs6 at Etihad
Rnd 7 was Rich5 v Hawks Prem at the MCG
Rnd 8 was Adel7 v Geel10 at Adelaide oval
Rnd 9 was Hawks prem v Swans4 at the MCG
Rnd 10 was Syd4 v Nth8 at the SCG
Rnd 11 was Nth8 v Rich5 in Hobart
Rnd 12 was Ess15 v Haw prem at Etihad,
Rnd 13 was NthM 8v Haw prem at Etihad stadium
Rnd 14 was Coll12 v Freo1 at Etihad stadium.
Rnd 15 was Port9 v Richmond5 at Adelaide oval.
Rnd 16 was Geel10 v Swans4 in Geelong
Rnd 17 was Fre1 v Geel10 in Perth
Rnd 18 was Coll12 v Nth8 at Etihad
Rnd 19 was Geel10 v Bulldogs6 in Geelong
Rnd 20 was Rich5 v Coll12 at the MCG
Rnd 21 was Bulldogs6 v Coll12 at Etihad
Rnd 22 was Eagles2 v Hawks prem in Perth
Rnd 23 was Adel7 v Eagles2 in Adelaide

For the NRL
Rnd 1 Manly9 v Ctby5
Rnd 2 broncos2 v NZ13
Rnd 3 Ctby5 v Eels12
Rnd 4 Broncos2 v NthQ Prem
Rnd 5 GC14 v Broncos2
Rnd 6 Syd1 v SouthSyd7
Rnd 7 NQld Prem v South7
Rnd 8 Broncos2 v Souths7
Rnd 9 Eels12 v Ctby5
Rnd 10 Eels12 v Souths7
Rnd 11 NthQ Prem v Broncos 2
Rnd 12 Broncos2 v Wests15
Rnd 13 Maly9 v Canb10
Rnd 14 Wests15 v Souths7
Rnd 15 Souths7 v Eels12
Rnd 16 Souths7 v Penrith11
Rnd 17 Broncos2 v Melb4
Rnd 18 Eels12 v Syd1
Rnd 19 Titans14 v StG8
Rnd 20 Broncos2 v Penrith11
Rnd 21 Ctby5 v StG8
Rnd 22 Eels12 v manly9
Rnd 23 Broncos2 v Eels12
Rnd 24 Penrith11 v Wests15
Rnd 25 Mel4 v Broncos2
Rnd26 Ctby5 v Souths7

Games involving premiers: AFL 6, NRL 3
Games involving 1st from 2015: AFL 1, NRL 2
Games involving 2nd from 2015: AFL 3, NRL 9
Games involving top 8 team from 2015: AFL 22, NRL 23
Games involving bottom 8 team from 2015: AFL 13, NRL 17
Games involving bottom 4 team from 2015: AFL 3, NRL 3

Well, there we have it. More proof that you're an idiot and the king of but but excuses. The Friday night schedules are very similar in how many games involve top teams and bottom teams.

So now that we have that out of the way, try explaining how you got trounced by 17 to 5 in these head to head comparisons, and 26 to 5 counting finals games.............

They may not play all the games at the MCG as I said, it seems that has changed. But my point is absolutely valid and shows just how out of touch with reality you and your claims are!

The NRL play 50% of there leading matches on a Thursday night on a on occasions Wednesday. Not just Friday! we do not shied our worst rating 25% of teams and if matches are compared 1 v 1 etc , and are and not cherry picked to suit you, the first 12 are 5 to 7.Hardly nearly all as you make out.

And when I bring up my point about there being fans out there who will switch over after the league game and watch the final hour of the AFL ' you dismiss this as garbage because you know the games are not comperable; The AFL played 200 matches. Stop trying to pick out the ones that suit you requirements.

If a jockey in the Melbourne cup leads at the first turn, or runs the fastest 100m its completely irrelevant. Its who's first past the winning post matters. Next time you bet on the AFL maybe you should make it for a place only.

Your like all good Southerners, still re-inacting battles so the rebs can change history

You may have won a few battles but you lost the war.


but but but but but but but

[NlolRL]

They may not play all the games at the MCG as I said, it seems that has changed. But my point is absolutely valid and shows just how out of touch with reality you and your claims are!

The NRL play 50% of there leading matches on a Thursday night on a on occasions Wednesday. Not just Friday! we do not shied our worst rating 25% of teams and if matches are compared 1 v 1 etc , and are and not cherry picked to suit you, the first 12 are 5 to 7.Hardly nearly all as you make out.

And when I bring up my point about there being fans out there who will switch over after the league game and watch the final hour of the AFL ' you dismiss this as garbage because you know the games are not comperable; The AFL played 200 matches. Stop trying to pick out the ones that suit you requirements.

If a jockey in the Melbourne cup leads at the first turn, or runs the fastest 100m its completely irrelevant. Its who's first past the winning post matters. Next time you bet on the AFL maybe you should make it for a place only.

Your like all good Southerners, still re-inacting battles so the rebs can change history

You may have won a few battles but you lost the war.


but but but but but but but

They may not play all the games at the MCG as I said, it seems that has changed.

They've never done that, so who's out of touch?

The NRL play 50% of there leading matches on a Thursday night on a on occasions Wednesday. Not just Friday!

and the AFL use the occasional Thursday, and every Saturday night, not just Friday The only reason I use Friday is because your game is only on Fox on Saturday, and we have 2 games shown concurrently on Saturday.

we do not shied our worst rating 25% of teams and if matches are compared 1 v 1 etc , and are and not cherry picked to suit you, the first 12 are 5 to 7.Hardly nearly all as you make out.

Well the figures I showed reveal both leagues only showed a game with a team from the bottom 4 on 3 occasions on Friday night, so your claim is BS Further to that you showed the Broncos, your only mega club, more than the AFL showed any team. And no I'm not cherry picking games, these are 24 weeks in a row, not just one every now and then. As has been said many times, no other game on other days is comparable. The first 10 Friday nights (Thursday rnd 1) are 7-3 so your miles behind. The end of the season is ALL AFL wins.

And when I bring up my point about there being fans out there who will switch over after the league game and watch the final hour of the AFL ' you dismiss this as garbage because you know the games are not comperable; The AFL played 200 matches. Stop trying to pick out the ones that suit you requirements.

What is your point?? If they tune in to AFL why shouldnt they be counted as AFL viewers?? Are you trying to suggest our later game gets higher viewership because the last hour is shown against no sport? If so, thats stupid. You game is averaged over 2 hours, or less without pre and post game. This far smaller telecast has a massive advantage in ratings. Add to that our games second half is after 9.30pm which is basically after prime time.

If a jockey in the Melbourne cup leads at the first turn, or runs the fastest 100m its completely irrelevant. Its who's first past the winning post matters. Next time you bet on the AFL maybe you should make it for a place only.

That analogy would only be relevant if we were counting and comparing the season tally at various stages through the season. That's not it at all. The Friday night comparison shows the audiences for both codes, not how many times the scheduling allows that audience to tune in to a game. The figures dont lie. The AFL has more fans who tune in on average, and FAR more who attend on average.

Golds all round

[pussycat]

Fri 3rd June:
AFL Nth v Rich 1003k (estimated regionals @1/3rd metro) WIN
NRL Tigers v Sth Syd 923k

Fri 10th June:
AFL Ess v Hawth 902k
NRL Sth Syd v Eels 935k WIN

Fri 17th June:
AFL Nth v Hawth 1372k (estimated regionals) WIN
NRL Penrith v Sth Syd 889k

Fri 24th June:
AFL Coll v Fre 919k (est regionals)
NRL Melb v Broncos 1073k (estimated regionals @ 2/3rd metro) WIN

Fri 1st July:
AFL Port v Rich 915k (est regionals)
NRL P\Eels v Syd 968k (est regionals) WIN

Fri 8th July:
AFL Geel v Syd 1139k (est regionals) WIN
NRL StG v Titans 724k (est regionals)

Fri 15th July:
AFL Freo v Geel 1123k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Broncos v Penrith 959k (est regionals)

Fri 22nd July:
AFL Coll v NthM 1121k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Cant v StG 856k (est regionals)

Fri 29th July:
AFL Geel v Bulldogs 1148k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Eels v Manly 876k (est regionals)

Fri 5th August:
AFL Rich v Coll 1038k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Broncos v Eels 870k (est regionals)

Fri 12th August:
AFL Bulldogs v Coll 1042 (est regionals) WIN
NRL Penrith v Tigers 807k (est regionals)

Fri 19th August
AFL WC v Haw 1194k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Bronco v Mel 1180k (est regionals)



Fri 26th August
AFL Adel v Wc 1167k (est regionals) WIN
NRL Bulldogs v Sth Syd 1053k (est regionals)

A


So that's 10 v 3 wins to the AFL for the last 13 Friday night game showdowns. Add that to the 7 v 2 victory for the first 9 Friday nights and you get a massive 17 v 5 victory to the AFL for Friday night comparisons.

In what universe did you think the NRL would be in front?????????????????????????????????????

What about our last2 matches just under 1.1m and over 1.1m, what about our opening match :blahblah
Cherry picking!

[NlolRL]

I included your opening match in the rnd v rnd comparison, which you won. You still lost for the season easily though. Friday night v Friday night you lost even more easily.

So if single games on FTA and Fox, in round v round and night v night comparisons are unfair, how do you propose we compare audiences???????????????????????????????????????????????