Talking Footy

TLPG wrote:

Stop comparing apples to oranges you idiots. If Parramatta went onto an AFL field, even the Campbelltown Monarchs would thrash them, let alone any of the sides you mentioned!

Needed to be said.

You're a dummy. Reread and try to understand better

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Eel,
In the AFL the 9th placed Nth Melbourne are in some good form beating just about all before them over the last few weeks. The 7th place Cats could do anything and beat anyone with a little form. You could say that any of the top 9 at the moment could win the AFL flag as well. If you look at the NRL ladders the 9th placed warriors are 4 wins behind first place with the top 2 on the same points. If you look at the AFL ladder the 9th placed Nth Melbourne are 4 wins behind 1st place with the top 3 all on the same points. If anything the AFL ladder is closer together with the same amount of rounds of the season to go. However overall no real difference.

There are 3 sides in the AFL that make Parramatta Eels look like world beaters...... Yes no real difference i see what your saying there Pies.... :D

You are correct because the Parramatta Eels on 3 wins after 17 rounds is so much better then Melbourne on 2 wins after 15 rounds. Not that I was referring to the bottom end. I was referring to your statement that there were 9 teams in the NRL who could win the competition and that the AFL competition didn't have as many. I just pointed out to everyone that the 9th place teams in both competition were both 4 wins from the top of the ladder, making your statement look a little silly.

Piesman Melbourne had a scratchy lucky win against essendon. And their other win was against guess who? GWS

Parramatta have competed against a lot of teams with close fought games. This aint the case with the demons, they're quite simply, a basketcase.

piesman2011 wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Eel,
In the AFL the 9th placed Nth Melbourne are in some good form beating just about all before them over the last few weeks. The 7th place Cats could do anything and beat anyone with a little form. You could say that any of the top 9 at the moment could win the AFL flag as well. If you look at the NRL ladders the 9th placed warriors are 4 wins behind first place with the top 2 on the same points. If you look at the AFL ladder the 9th placed Nth Melbourne are 4 wins behind 1st place with the top 3 all on the same points. If anything the AFL ladder is closer together with the same amount of rounds of the season to go. However overall no real difference.

There are 3 sides in the AFL that make Parramatta Eels look like world beaters...... Yes no real difference i see what your saying there Pies.... :D

You are correct because the Parramatta Eels on 3 wins after 17 rounds is so much better then Melbourne on 2 wins after 15 rounds. Not that I was referring to the bottom end. I was referring to your statement that there were 9 teams in the NRL who could win the competition and that the AFL competition didn't have as many. I just pointed out to everyone that the 9th place teams in both competition were both 4 wins from the top of the ladder, making your statement look a little silly.

There are 9 teams in the NRL atm that can take the Premiership, in your opinion Pies how many can win the Flag in the AFL atm?

Also the bottom of the table of the NRL and AFL are totally different, Parra are a side that cant play for the whole 80 mins but when they do they get the W or close to it. The GWS SUNS DEMONS and to a lesser extent Port or just plain getting spanked every week by big margins.

AFL Favorites
1 Sydney 15 12 0 3 148.05 48
2 Adelaide 15 12 0 3 131.87 48
3 Collingwood 15 12 0 3 121.56 48
4 Hawthorn 15 11 0 4 157.00 44
5 West Coast 15 11 0 4 131.52 44
6 Essendon 15 11 0 4 130.00 44
Pretenders
7 Geelong 15 9 0 6 109.43 36
8 St Kilda 15 8 0 7 120.76 32
9 North Melbourne 15 8 0 7 107.97 32
10 Fremantle 15 8 0 7 97.60 32
11 Richmond 15 7 0 8 107.02 28
12 Carlton 15 7 0 8 103.72 28
Just plain embarrassing.
13 Brisbane 15 6 0 9 92.42 24
14 Bulldogs 15 5 0 10 74.68 20
15 Port Adelaide 15 4 0 11 79.92 16
VFL relegation sides
16 Melbourne 15 2 0 13 64.12 8 1 free win against GWS so 1 win really... :D
17 Gold Coast 15 1 0 14 57.84 4
18 Greater Western Sydney 15 1 0 14 43.01 4

NRL 9 teams can win the Premiership.
W L D B PD Pts
1 Storm 12 5 0 2 161 28
2 Bulldogs 12 5 0 2 148 28
3 Broncos 11 6 0 2 86 26
4 Sharks 10 6 1 2 21 25
5 Cowboys 10 7 0 2 83 24 Cowboys beat Broncos in round 15.
6 Rabbitohs 10 6 0 2 53 24
7 Sea Eagles 10 7 0 2 41 24
8 Tigers 9 8 0 2 4 22
9 Warriors 8 9 0 2 30 20 NZ beat Cowboys in round 17.
10 Dragons 8 9 0 2 -36 20 Dragons beat Sharks round 19.
11 Titans 7 10 0 2 -26 18
12 Knights 7 10 0 2 -39 18 Just beat Manly last round. Also beat the tigers in round 16.
13 Raiders 7 10 0 2 -71 18 Raiders thrashed the storm 2 rounds ago.
14 Roosters 6 9 1 2 -120 17 Roosters lost to Bunnies with 2 trys in 3 mins. :D Drew against the Sharks in round 18
15 Panthers 4 13 0 2 -138 12 Terrible
16 Eels 3 14 0 2 -197 10 Terrible but still a team of stars when you compare it to the GWS, SUNS, DEM outfits...

So my point is that the Bottom NRL teams can win on there day but in the AFL the bottom sides GWS,GCS,DEM,PORT are just plain incompetent.There are 9 teams that can win the Premiership in total imo, the AFL have 6 at best. Take into account that there are teams that just get blown of the park before a ball has been bounced then its quite clear to anyone with half a brain which code has the more competitive competition. :D

I disagree with what you are saying. Both Port and Melbourne have beaten teams which were on top of the ladder at the time. GoldCoast beat Richmond on the weekend, who in most peoples eyes were finals contenders. North Melbourne who are currently 9th are in some very good form. I would currently back them to beat all sides bar hawthorn in Melbourne at the moment. I think most of what you are saying is a little ignorant. In the last few years it has been a little different but this year the AFL flag could be one by almost any team at this stage.

Oh and eels you forgot to note that GWS's one win was against...guess who? The Suns! So really GWS are on 0 wins still

piesman2011 wrote:

I disagree with what you are saying. Both Port and Melbourne have beaten teams which were on top of the ladder at the time. GoldCoast beat Richmond on the weekend, who in most peoples eyes were finals contenders. North Melbourne who are currently 9th are in some very good form. I would currently back them to beat all sides bar hawthorn in Melbourne at the moment. I think most of what you are saying is a little ignorant. In the last few years it has been a little different but this year the AFL flag could be one by almost any team at this stage.

I disagree pies. Being "on top of the ladder" in the AFL, especially within the first 10 rounds meant jack diddly. Why? Because there are 5-6 complete and utter basketcases in the league. So teams were working up several big wins simply because they were playing against sides who would struggle in the VFL. Richmond had a streak of form, as they always seem to do and are now settling into their familiar territory between 9 and 12 on the ladder. They're pretty shithouse. Essendon are the same and are no hope to make the GF and prob wont make the finals.

I think most of what you are saying here pies is a little ignorant. Broaden your horizon and look at the big picture.

The only teams that have a hope of winning the flag are hawthorn sydney collingwood and westcoast. The rest have buckleys.

King-Eliagh wrote:

The only teams that have a hope of winning the flag are hawthorn sydney collingwood and westcoast. The rest have buckleys.

But, But, But you pumped up Adelaide on the Sydney 33048 members thread this morning. Heres your quote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Adelaide are up there imo. I'm thinking swans collingwood gf though.

Anyway I will agree to disagree with you on this one. I understand what you are saying and you are a good poster, who normally posts accurate and fairly non-biased responses.

Oh yeah sorry Adelaide are in there too. That doesnt change my point. If a comp has a heft bunch of basketcases at the bottom of the table, the fight at the top of the table will inevitably be closer, especially during the first half of the season.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Oh yeah sorry Adelaide are in there too. That doesnt change my point. If a comp has a heft bunch of basketcases at the bottom of the table, the fight at the top of the table will inevitably be closer, especially during the first half of the season.

Totally agree, the top 4 teams only have 3 losses, the top teams in the NRL ie (bulldogs, Storm) are on 5 losses.... can you see the point king is making?

Lets compare both competitions when just about all sides have played 15 times, because the AFL is a little behind the NRL in terms of games played. Round 16 is a good round for the NRL compared with the current round for the AFL

NRL Ladder: After 2012 Round 16
Position Team M W D L B For Agst Diff Points
1 Storm 15 12 0 3 1 388 195 193 26
2 Bulldogs 15 10 0 5 1 333 217 116 22
3 Broncos 15 10 0 5 1 358 260 98 22
4 Sharks 14 9 0 5 2 262 247 15 22
5 Cowboys 15 9 0 6 1 364 268 96 20
6 Sea Eagles 15 9 0 6 1 302 251 51 20
7 Rabbitohs 14 8 0 6 2 304 297 7 20
8 Wests Tigers 15 8 0 7 1 317 309 8 18
9 Warriors 14 6 0 8 2 321 324 -3 16
10 Dragons 15 7 0 8 1 218 258 -40 16
11 Titans 15 6 0 9 1 251 271 -20 14
12 Knights 14 5 0 9 2 246 299 -53 14
13 Raiders 14 5 0 9 2 267 358 -91 14
14 Roosters 15 6 0 9 1 272 392 -120 14
15 Panthers 15 4 0 11 1 248 352 -104 10
16 Eels 14 3 0 11 2 233 386 -153

The first placed Storm is 6 games in front of 9th placed Warriors. (Warriors only played 14 times at this stage) The first placed team is 2 games clear on top in the NRL compared to the AFL who have 3 teams on top of the ladder with the same amount of wins. I appeared after the same amount of games played that the AFL in terms of premiership contending is a much closer competition after 15 games played.

And pies what's your point?

This thread is about lopsidedness right?

I was trying to show that the AFL competition in terms of finals contender has a lot of teams in the race this year. I agree that the Suns and Giants are crap at this stage. They will improve over the next 2 to 3 years with all of the 18-19 year old talent that they have. The lopsidedness (is that a word) with those two teams will be short term.

I'm more than aware the finals race is hot in the AFL comp. I've been enjoying it but this doesnt mean the comp is not lopsided to billio. And it aint just the suns and giants who are waaaaayy off the pace. There's 5 or six sides with no hope whatsoever. Comon pies. If you know the game you know melb port and for the most part the lions are complete basketcases completely incapable of matching it with the top 6.

note: lopsidedness is the noun of lopsided.

Brisbane Lions beat West Coast just a few weeks back and only just went down to the Saints on the weekend. You're a fool to state they are a basketcase KE. A fool.