AFL, still stuck in the Homophobic 1950s

[Swans4ever]

Once again another POINTLESS thread!

Of course you say that .
Anything posted that paints Derpball in a bad light is either
Pointless
Wrong
Bad reporting..

With the push nowadays ,for Gay marriage,acceptance etc,it is sad that a derpballer cannot come out,because of fear of the backlash.

ACKER was right by the looks of it.
& seeing as he was a player & knew the ins & outs of club life ,then I will take his word over a bunch of brainwashed Vladiators .

Now I sit & wait for
ACKER hasn't a clue.
he has no idea etc..

No I mean it's pointless - a persons sexual preferences means nothing - I don't care if they date men, women or clones of them selfs not is it any of my business - making this a subject trying to get their token player to come out is not for the right reasons - I have a gay nephew what he does doesn't change the fact he is my nephew and I love him - just like being gay doesn't change the fact that I watch a player for their skill and determination - having their sexual preference out in the open will make that the topic rather than their sporting attributes - e.g. Johnno just kicked a gaol - the first person in AFL to come out - rather than - johnno just kicks a goal, a brilliant goal on the run against the run of play his ability to weave thru traffic is extraordinary etc! That's why I think a persons sexual preference and a fuss being made of it is pointless like this thread!!

[Cracker]

Well if you're adding weight to Aker's claims lets have a look at what he says:

"In women's sport - tennis, golf, cricket, hockey and soccer - being gay carries no stigma. But men's sport is well behind in acceptance"

"Take American-born British national John Amaechi, who became the first NBA professional to come out when he published his book Man in the Middle. Amaechi claims he has spoken to a dozen professional players who are gay. He says none have asked him if they should come out, but if they did he would tell them not to. After all he is not a gay rights activist.

In an athletic environment the rules are different from the cultural rules for men

Seems to me that Aker is criticising the culture of male sport, not specifically the AFL

And yet we've had a rugby league player come out as I have mentioned. No one from the AFL has done so. I believe the concerns are valid.

[Xman]

Well if you're adding weight to Aker's claims lets have a look at what he says:

"In women's sport - tennis, golf, cricket, hockey and soccer - being gay carries no stigma. But men's sport is well behind in acceptance"

"Take American-born British national John Amaechi, who became the first NBA professional to come out when he published his book Man in the Middle. Amaechi claims he has spoken to a dozen professional players who are gay. He says none have asked him if they should come out, but if they did he would tell them not to. After all he is not a gay rights activist.

In an athletic environment the rules are different from the cultural rules for men

Seems to me that Aker is criticising the culture of male sport, not specifically the AFL

And yet we've had a rugby league player come out as I have mentioned. No one from the AFL has done so. I believe the concerns are valid.

Akers concerns were male sport, not specifically the AFL, so lets not misrepresent his comments shall we

So in the end we are basing this view on the fact one player in the last 100 years has come out? You're kidding

[Cracker]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

[Xman]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

[AFLcrap1]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

[Xman]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

He was talking about the AFL because he has played in it and is better placed to speak about a sport he was involved with. However http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/s ... 5868871934

In women's sport - tennis, golf, cricket, hockey and soccer - being gay carries no stigma. But men's sport is well behind in acceptance.

Take American-born British national John Amaechi, who became the first NBA professional to come out when he published his book Man in the Middle.

Amaechi claims he has spoken to a dozen professional players who are gay. He says none have asked him if they should come out, but if they did he would tell them not to.

After all he is not a gay rights activist.

In an athletic environment the rules are different from the cultural rules for men.

His attitude clearly refers to all male sports.

Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments

[AFLcrap1]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

[Xman]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

[AFLcrap1]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

There is a big difference .
The other MALE dominated sports have Gay players/officials who have come out no problem..

Hence why he spoke so much about the AFL in the start of the article...They have not had anyone brave enough ...
They are a long way behind other sports .

[Xman]

He never says the AFL is worse than other sports. He only differentiates between male and female sports.

[adamj1300]

Once again another POINTLESS thread!

Of course you say that .
Anything posted that paints Derpball in a bad light is either
Pointless
Wrong
Bad reporting..

With the push nowadays ,for Gay marriage,acceptance etc,it is sad that a derpballer cannot come out,because of fear of the backlash.

ACKER was right by the looks of it.
& seeing as he was a player & knew the ins & outs of club life ,then I will take his word over a bunch of brainwashed Vladiators .

Now I sit & wait for
ACKER hasn't a clue.
he has no idea etc..

piss off crapper you clueless idiot.
the AFL has done more for the gay community than the NRL ever has. show some evidence of the NRL acutely doing something?

the only thing the NRL ever has done is had a player that came out ian roberts, and become a token celebrity, and helped his career after his playing days. in the media

why does the AFL need a token celebrity gay player......?
so you can put his poster up on the basement wall to idolise over!

[Swans4ever]

One is better than none, and besides because Akermanis was an Aussie Rules player the judgment on his sport is inevitable - right or not. That hardly fulfils the criteria for a misrepresentation I believe.

One player from what, a few thousand to play in both codes in the last 20 years? Thats a pretty poor result from a number that clearly would have included a number of gay men.

Aker commented on male sport. He never claimed the AFL were worse than any other.

WRONG..
Maybe you were reading the "In damage mode" article.

The AFL is good at that after someone lets the cat out of the bag,

Just like the One WHITE Parent story..
How quickly that was changed .


This article is nothing like your un sourced article..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-20/a ... set/833486


Outspoken AFL player Jason Akermanis has warned gay players the game is not ready for them to come out of the closet.

"If a player wants to out himself, then I say good luck," the Western Bulldogs star wrote in his weekly Herald Sun column.

"But I believe the world of AFL footy is not ready for it. To come out is unnecessary for a lot of reasons.


"Imagine the publicity associated with a current player admitting he's gay. It would be international news and could break the fabric of a club."

Akermanis said an openly gay player could make his team-mates uncomfortable.

"Locker room nudity and homoerotic activities are normal inside footy clubs," he wrote.

He said it was not the role of sport to lead the way in changing community attitudes.

"Away from football I'm all for any initiative that helps lessen public bias against homosexuality, such as IDAHO (International Day Against Homophobia), which was run on Monday.

"I know there are many who think a public AFL outing would break down homophobia, but they don't live in football clubs.

"It's not the job of the minority to make the environment safer. Not now, anyway."


He was absolutely talking about AFL..

Isn't it funny all you've got to go on is an article by Aker back in 2010 four years ago - so tell me this how many RL players have come out in that time???? None I hear - oh well that is why this thread fails and fails miserably!

[Cracker]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

There is a big difference .
The other MALE dominated sports have Gay players/officials who have come out no problem..

Hence why he spoke so much about the AFL in the start of the article...They have not had anyone brave enough ...
They are a long way behind other sports .

I'm sorry, Xman, but he's right. And I would bring to your attention again the issue with Stephen Milne's comments in 2011 and the lack of action against them. That is further evidence. Ian Roberts was never on the receiving end of that sort of behaviour that I'm aware of.

[Xman]

What part of him talking explicitly about being GAY in the AFL don't you get.

I even highlighted it for you..

& then you have the gall to say this.



Amazing but not surprising how you ignore half his comments


After you left out the major part of his article that referred to the AFL & AFL ONLY.


POT meet KETTLE
.

The part where he went on to say its a common problem in male sporting culture, which effectively means the AFL are no different to any other male dominated sport.

There is a big difference .
The other MALE dominated sports have Gay players/officials who have come out no problem..

Hence why he spoke so much about the AFL in the start of the article...They have not had anyone brave enough ...
They are a long way behind other sports .

I'm sorry, Xman, but he's right. And I would bring to your attention again the issue with Stephen Milne's comments in 2011 and the lack of action against them. That is further evidence. Ian Roberts was never on the receiving end of that sort of behaviour that I'm aware of.

which of Milnes comments are you referring to? Were they as homophobic as Stigs comments on social media last year? What did the NRL do about his comments?

Its a ridiculous notion to suggest athlete's attitudes for one winter code in Australia are different to another.