National Minnow League Vs the AFL

[adamj1300]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

[Raiderdave]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

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our resident LIAR...ol Adamliar

strikes again

not a link to any of the above

heres a few things our fellow member here
who can't even spell pokie :_<> :_<> :_<>
forgot

VFL clubs combined debt at the end of 2012.... 95 million dollars .... its probably up to 115 Million by now
the NRL clubs wouldn't have had a 10th of that


the VFL has had to go bank guarantor for its clubs to the tune of 35 million dollars just to ensure several even make it onto the field in 2014 :_<> :_<> :_<>
also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

oh & he also forgot the profits banked by each code in 2013

the NRL... 50.6 Million
the VFL..... 7 Million


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its predicted by 2017 the NRL will have pocketed a tidy 200 Million
while the VFL will be lucky to have banked 35 Million :_<> :_<> :_<>
the efforts of a minnow one would have thought

[adamj1300]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

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our resident LIAR...ol Adamliar

strikes again

not a link to any of the above

heres a few things our fellow member here
who can't even spell pokie :_<> :_<> :_<>
forgot

VFL clubs combined debt at the end of 2012.... 95 million dollars .... its probably up to 115 Million by now
the NRL clubs wouldn't have had a 10th of that


the VFL has had to go bank guarantor for its clubs to the tune of 35 million dollars just to ensure several even make it onto the field in 2014 :_<> :_<> :_<>
also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

oh & he also forgot the profits banked by each code in 2013

the NRL... 50.6 Million
the VFL..... 7 Million


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its predicted by 2017 the NRL will have pocketed a tidy 200 Million
while the VFL will be lucky to have banked 35 Million :_<> :_<> :_<>
the efforts of a minnow one would have thought

as i said straight from the codes annual reports
http://www.AFL.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20 ... Report.pdf
http://e-brochures.com.au/nrl/annualreport2013/


obviously you haven't had a look of them yet because as usual you choose to ignore reality
wow just look at the Revenue the AFL can raise & the NRL could only do.
out side of the broadcast revenue, little old league cant compete,
how much does SOO ad to that list 129 million?
prehaps they need raise the price of their $2.50 entry fee to their games
giving away those memberships

[Swans4ever]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

:_<> :_<> :_<>
our resident LIAR...ol Adamliar

strikes again

not a link to any of the above

heres a few things our fellow member here
who can't even spell pokie :_<> :_<> :_<>
forgot

VFL clubs combined debt at the end of 2012.... 95 million dollars .... its probably up to 115 Million by now
the NRL clubs wouldn't have had a 10th of that


the VFL has had to go bank guarantor for its clubs to the tune of 35 million dollars just to ensure several even make it onto the field in 2014 :_<> :_<> :_<>
also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

oh & he also forgot the profits banked by each code in 2013

the NRL... 50.6 Million
the VFL..... 7 Million


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its predicted by 2017 the NRL will have pocketed a tidy 200 Million
while the VFL will be lucky to have banked 35 Million :_<> :_<> :_<>
the efforts of a minnow one would have thought

And where's your links? I know whose lying it ain't Adam
http://m.AFL.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Te ... Report.pdf

As for debt how about you provide the link ?
Why don't you state NRL club debts (Titans 35 mil, Penrith 43 mil etc etc)?

And where is this link to the projected 200 mil by 2017 - no where is this prediction made - the only one who does is just you!

The AFL is providing 34 mil in bank guarentees not 35 mil
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6822011769#
I notice you didn't talk about NRL clubs like Newcastle and their 20 mil bank guarentee
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/20574 ... r-knights/

We wouldn't know how many other NRL clubs are in the same position but we no only two recorded profits

In recent years Newcastle, Wests Tigers, Souths, Penrith, Cronulla, Gold Coast and Melbourne have faced financial difficulties that threatened their existence. On each occasion new funds, a revamped ownership structure or, in Penrith's case, an administrative structure, were put in place to secure survival.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 2swhv.html
So again there is only ONE person on this forum that deals in misquotes, half truths and lie's - YOU RD JUST YOU!

[Cracker]

On the basis of provision of proof, the onus now lies with Raiderdave to provide countering links.

[Swans4ever]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

:_<> :_<> :_<>
our resident LIAR...ol Adamliar

strikes again

not a link to any of the above

heres a few things our fellow member here
who can't even spell pokie :_<> :_<> :_<>
forgot

VFL clubs combined debt at the end of 2012.... 95 million dollars .... its probably up to 115 Million by now
the NRL clubs wouldn't have had a 10th of that


the VFL has had to go bank guarantor for its clubs to the tune of 35 million dollars just to ensure several even make it onto the field in 2014 :_<> :_<> :_<>
also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

oh & he also forgot the profits banked by each code in 2013

the NRL... 50.6 Million
the VFL..... 7 Million


:_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

its predicted by 2017 the NRL will have pocketed a tidy 200 Million
while the VFL will be lucky to have banked 35 Million :_<> :_<> :_<>
the efforts of a minnow one would have thought

And where's your links? I know whose lying it ain't Adam
http://m.AFL.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Te ... Report.pdf

As for debt how about you provide the link ?
Why don't you state NRL club debts (Titans 35 mil, Penrith 43 mil etc etc)?

And where is this link to the projected 200 mil by 2017 - no where is this prediction made - the only one who does is just you!

The AFL is providing 34 mil in bank guarentees not 35 mil
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6822011769#
I notice you didn't talk about NRL clubs like Newcastle and their 20 mil bank guarentee
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/20574 ... r-knights/

We wouldn't know how many other NRL clubs are in the same position but we no only two recorded profits

In recent years Newcastle, Wests Tigers, Souths, Penrith, Cronulla, Gold Coast and Melbourne have faced financial difficulties that threatened their existence. On each occasion new funds, a revamped ownership structure or, in Penrith's case, an administrative structure, were put in place to secure survival.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 2swhv.html
So again there is only ONE person on this forum that deals in misquotes, half truths and lie's - YOU RD JUST YOU!

Just to reply to one more of your points

also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

Where is the link for this all I can find in the annual report is the usual distributions being 10,739611 being one of the lowest AFL distribution fund and

Distributions increased by
$4 million in the following areas:
• Payments to clubs up $9 million�
•Reduction in direct expansion funding for the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney teams, down $3 million�

Again your not just making things up again RD? Me thinks RD has access to another annual report (I wonder if its written in crayon and on his wall at home?)

[Swans4ever]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

:_<> :_<> :_<>
our resident LIAR...ol Adamliar

strikes again

not a link to any of the above

heres a few things our fellow member here
who can't even spell pokie :_<> :_<> :_<>
forgot

VFL clubs combined debt at the end of 2012.... 95 million dollars .... its probably up to 115 Million by now
the NRL clubs wouldn't have had a 10th of that


the VFL has had to go bank guarantor for its clubs to the tune of 35 million dollars just to ensure several even make it onto the field in 2014 :_<> :_<> :_<>
also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

oh & he also forgot the profits banked by each code in 2013

the NRL... 50.6 Million
the VFL..... 7 Million


:_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

its predicted by 2017 the NRL will have pocketed a tidy 200 Million
while the VFL will be lucky to have banked 35 Million :_<> :_<> :_<>
the efforts of a minnow one would have thought

And where's your links? I know whose lying it ain't Adam
http://m.AFL.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Te ... Report.pdf

As for debt how about you provide the link ?
Why don't you state NRL club debts (Titans 35 mil, Penrith 43 mil etc etc)?

And where is this link to the projected 200 mil by 2017 - no where is this prediction made - the only one who does is just you!

The AFL is providing 34 mil in bank guarentees not 35 mil
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6822011769#
I notice you didn't talk about NRL clubs like Newcastle and their 20 mil bank guarentee
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/20574 ... r-knights/

We wouldn't know how many other NRL clubs are in the same position but we no only two recorded profits

In recent years Newcastle, Wests Tigers, Souths, Penrith, Cronulla, Gold Coast and Melbourne have faced financial difficulties that threatened their existence. On each occasion new funds, a revamped ownership structure or, in Penrith's case, an administrative structure, were put in place to secure survival.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 2swhv.html
So again there is only ONE person on this forum that deals in misquotes, half truths and lie's - YOU RD JUST YOU!

Just to reply to one more of your points

also the VFL is having to pump up to 20 Million a year , on top of the above ..just to keep the Midgets operating

Where is the link for this all I can find in the annual report is the usual distributions being 10,739611 being one of the lowest AFL distribution fund and

Distributions increased by
$4 million in the following areas:
• Payments to clubs up $9 million�
•Reduction in direct expansion funding for the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney teams, down $3 million�

Again your not just making things up again RD? Me thinks RD has access to another annual report (I wonder if its written in crayon and on his wall at home?)

It seems he's talking about the NEW MARKET FUND which is $11,553,00 - which in 2012 was 14,594,000 - again wrong wrong wrong wrong (ps this fund would be for BOTH GC and GWS!)

[Xman]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

Says it all. =D>

[Raiderdave]

the figures from the NRL and AFL anual reports!
further goes to show the NRL is only a minnow league in comparison!
2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

NRL income
Funding from National Rugby League Partnership (NRLP) - 4,890,034
Game receipts 36,442,250 30,260,954
Sponsorship 25,726,950 19,078,936
Government incentives 9,781,011 8,036,452
Other income 21,018,352 19,090,139


sponsorship revenue raised for the top AFL clubs
Richmond - 19.3 million
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2 ... n.1037934/, all AFL clubs individual annual reports links can be found
richmond and collingwood each can raise nearly 20 million while the whole NRL commission can only raise 25 million in sponsorship

the NRL is still that far behind the AFL

Says it all. =D>

it says nothing
which is about as much as Adamliar ever says

VFL
115 Million in combined club debt
having to go guarantor to the tune of 34 Million in bank loans just so some clubs can get on the field in 2014
how embarrassing .... how farcical

NRL
banks 50.6 Million in profits
& not one club with its hand out
now that

says it all

[Xman]

2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million

2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million

2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million

2013 AFL payments to clubs - 209.15 million
2013 NRL payments to clubs - 129.6 million

These are the figures that count, especially the total revenue and non broadcast revenue. Notice the AFL earned more from broadcasting and media too.

Bam

[Raiderdave]

These are the figures that count,

Bam

ahhhh.. no
these ones do

115 Million of combined club debt
&
34 million to be added to that in bank loans .. in just one year .... just to get 18 sides on the paddock


NRL
50.6 million in profits
no clubs with their hand out


bam
bam indeed

[Xman]

These are the figures that count,

Bam

ahhhh.. no
these ones do

115 Million of combined club debt
&
34 million to be added to that in bank loans .. in just one year .... just to get 18 sides on the paddock


NRL
50.6 million in profits
no clubs with their hand out


bam
bam indeed

AFL clubs can afford debt because they have enough income above football operations to cover it.

Can you show me how much the NRL clubs are in debt?

[Raiderdave]

These are the figures that count,

Bam

ahhhh.. no
these ones do

115 Million of combined club debt
&
34 million to be added to that in bank loans .. in just one year .... just to get 18 sides on the paddock


NRL
50.6 million in profits
no clubs with their hand out


bam
bam indeed

AFL clubs can afford debt because they have enough income above football operations to cover it.

?

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yes
that's why the VFL had to go..... guarantor.... Banks insisted as these VFL clubs are heading down the S bend like a grog turd
jesus
you are seriously as thick as pig shit when it comes to money :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Can you show me how much the NRL clubs are in debt

any shortfall from costs to revenue incurred by an NRL club is paid off by its Leagues club
so in short
no debt for NRL clubs
Swwwweeeeeetttttt

[Xman]

Prove your claim about NRL clubs

clubs like Hawthorn Essendon and Collingwood have substantial debt due to major funding for facilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with debt, as long as it can be managed.

[Raiderdave]

. There's absolutely nothing wrong with debt, as long as it can be managed.

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if it could be managed as easily as you claim ...do you think banks would have insisted the VFL guarantee these loans ?
again
really
NFI where finances are concerned :_<> :_<> :_<>

Prove your claim about NRL clubs

well known fact dickhead.... wound back to zero on the balance sheet every year for NRL cubs if they finish in the red by their powerful leagues clubs