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Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
the Canberra Raiders RLFC PTY LTD posted a 3.4 Million dollar profit
they have more cash then they know what to do with ... does my club have :wink:
hence them entering the property development business to make tens of millions more


meanwhile poort pennyless
can barely afford loo paper in its office toilets :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I somehow think poort wheresmedough will struggle to see out this current TV deal
RIP Poweroutage :cool:
Why does the football dept have such a small budget? Why don't they care about them? Is it because they know the actual football team isn't worth the investment? I guess no one would want to pour money into a club that makes a $200k loss on a $10m tiny budget. :lol:

the Raiders have made the finals 8 times in the last 15 years
their football dept gets results , making the Football budget irrelevant because the company's overall bottom line is so very healthy .... if ever there was a decline in football revenue it can be easily covered ... no sponsor
no problem
no TV exposure
no problem

many other clubs in both codes cannot claim the same security
all their eggs in the one basket
like poor ol poort shitzhispants ..... their football dept is a dogs breakfast
spends too much
earns too little

no back ups


& this equals


gooonnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee.................................... :cool:
If they poured a few million more into it, maybe they would get some real success. [/quote]

so the amount poort powerfailure pour into their club dickhead ... that much more ?

&

we'd be broke like poort poweroutage

& also

have no real success like poort lightacandle

8-[
:-k
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

no thanks

we'd rather be building to a premiership & be wealthy too :wink: , instead of heading down the toilet S bend like yr mob :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
The amount that Port invest into their football dept is much less than the comp average. This is what happens when you have greedy owners creating a shit stadium deal that rips off the club. According to you, the Raiders are one of the richest clubs around ( :lol: ) so surely they would be able to have a larger football budget, right? Or do venue and property interests come first? What a shit stain club those Raiders are :lol:
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As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)
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Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
the Canberra Raiders RLFC PTY LTD posted a 3.4 Million dollar profit
they have more cash then they know what to do with ... does my club have :wink:
hence them entering the property development business to make tens of millions more


meanwhile poort pennyless
can barely afford loo paper in its office toilets :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I somehow think poort wheresmedough will struggle to see out this current TV deal
RIP Poweroutage :cool:
Why does the football dept have such a small budget? Why don't they care about them? Is it because they know the actual football team isn't worth the investment? I guess no one would want to pour money into a club that makes a $200k loss on a $10m tiny budget. :lol:

the Raiders have made the finals 8 times in the last 15 years
their football dept gets results , making the Football budget irrelevant because the company's overall bottom line is so very healthy .... if ever there was a decline in football revenue it can be easily covered ... no sponsor
no problem
no TV exposure
no problem

many other clubs in both codes cannot claim the same security
all their eggs in the one basket
like poor ol poort shitzhispants ..... their football dept is a dogs breakfast
spends too much
earns too little

no back ups


& this equals


gooonnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee.................................... :cool:
If they poured a few million more into it, maybe they would get some real success. [/quote]

so the amount poort powerfailure pour into their club dickhead ... that much more ?

&

we'd be broke like poort poweroutage

& also

have no real success like poort lightacandle

8-[
:-k
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

no thanks

we'd rather be building to a premiership & be wealthy too :wink: , instead of heading down the toilet S bend like yr mob :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
The amount that Port invest into their football dept is much less than the comp average. This is what happens when you have greedy owners creating a shit stadium deal that rips off the club. According to you, the Raiders are one of the richest clubs around ( :lol: ) so surely they would be able to have a larger football budget, right? Or do venue and property interests come first? What a shit stain club those Raiders are :lol:[/quote]

why do we need to compete with the size of our spend in our football dept
in the NRL ... its the quality of your roster & the people behind it
not the amount you spend

example ... the 2 lowest football Dept Budgets in the NRL ( Raiders & Sharks .. both will spend 15 Million in 2013 )
are both tipped to have huge years on field
& easily out perform the biggest football dept spend in the NRL .. the Broncos (38M )

if this happens ... that will be extraordinary & an amazing result
but something that just doesn't ... in fact .. can't happen in the VFL

its the size of your spend in the VFL ... the haves always ahead of the have nots on the field..only because they spend more
hence clubs like poort geezwhatsmells .. will probably never get ahead & die a natural death through insolvency
& good riddance too .. its obviously run by utter fuckwits :lol: :lol: :lol:

in the NRL
this is not often the case ...........
more is not always gunna get you ..... more

NRL .. its just a better comp people :wink:
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Re: AFL vs NRL (Memberships in 2013)

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morley101 wrote:
As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Re: AFL vs NRL (Memberships in 2013)

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Raiderdave wrote:
morley101 wrote:
As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
Wow, nearly as good as the bottom placed giants...... =D> =D> =D>

:lol:
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Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
the Canberra Raiders RLFC PTY LTD posted a 3.4 Million dollar profit
they have more cash then they know what to do with ... does my club have :wink:
hence them entering the property development business to make tens of millions more


meanwhile poort pennyless
can barely afford loo paper in its office toilets :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I somehow think poort wheresmedough will struggle to see out this current TV deal
RIP Poweroutage :cool:
Why does the football dept have such a small budget? Why don't they care about them? Is it because they know the actual football team isn't worth the investment? I guess no one would want to pour money into a club that makes a $200k loss on a $10m tiny budget. :lol:

the Raiders have made the finals 8 times in the last 15 years
their football dept gets results , making the Football budget irrelevant because the company's overall bottom line is so very healthy .... if ever there was a decline in football revenue it can be easily covered ... no sponsor
no problem
no TV exposure
no problem

many other clubs in both codes cannot claim the same security
all their eggs in the one basket
like poor ol poort shitzhispants ..... their football dept is a dogs breakfast
spends too much
earns too little

no back ups


& this equals


gooonnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee.................................... :cool:
If they poured a few million more into it, maybe they would get some real success. [/quote]

so the amount poort powerfailure pour into their club dickhead ... that much more ?

&

we'd be broke like poort poweroutage

& also

have no real success like poort lightacandle

8-[
:-k
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

no thanks

we'd rather be building to a premiership & be wealthy too :wink: , instead of heading down the toilet S bend like yr mob :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
The amount that Port invest into their football dept is much less than the comp average. This is what happens when you have greedy owners creating a shit stadium deal that rips off the club. According to you, the Raiders are one of the richest clubs around ( :lol: ) so surely they would be able to have a larger football budget, right? Or do venue and property interests come first? What a shit stain club those Raiders are :lol:[/quote]

why do we need to compete with the size of our spend in our football dept
in the NRL ... its the quality of your roster & the people behind it
not the amount you spend

example ... the 2 lowest football Dept Budgets in the NRL ( Raiders & Sharks .. both will spend 15 Million in 2013 )
are both tipped to have huge years on field
& easily out perform the biggest football dept spend in the NRL .. the Broncos (38M )

if this happens ... that will be extraordinary & an amazing result
but something that just doesn't ... in fact .. can't happen in the VFL

its the size of your spend in the VFL ... the haves always ahead of the have nots on the field..only because they spend more
hence clubs like poort geezwhatsmells .. will probably never get ahead & die a natural death through insolvency
& good riddance too .. its obviously run by utter fuckwits :lol: :lol: :lol:

in the NRL
this is not often the case ...........
more is not always gunna get you ..... more

NRL .. its just a better comp people :wink:[/quote]
So you're saying increased football dept spending has no impact? :lol: :lol: :lol:
The PAFC in 2011 was the club with the lowest amount of football dept expedniture. It was so low that the necessary support staff such as assistant coaches and line coaches were not there. To add to all of thos. there was an incompetent coach in charge, so I agree with you that it wasn't run well but that's largely due to the fact that expenditure was so low.

In 2012 the club still had a low football dept exp, but it was increased through added funding from the AFL (which the Crows received as well because of the $NAFL's poor business model). The amount of staff working for Primus increased, and on field performances also improved but were still very below average ending with the sacking of the coach ( =D> ).

2013 should be the final year we are in the bottom 4 for total football dept exp, with the Adelaide Oval move increasing the clubs revenue and with that performances will improve.
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Raiderdave wrote:
morley101 wrote:
As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
7,000 only? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Port's about to crack 27,000. :cool:

As a bandwagoner Raiderdave, are you even a member of the arse Raiders?
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Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
morley101 wrote:
As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
Wow, nearly as good as the bottom placed giants...... =D> =D> =D>

:lol:
nearly as good as the midgets ........... 8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol:

the Midgest have 3500 members in " their " area

the Raiders have 7000 in theirs

the Midgets have the lowest tally of members in their area .... of any professional football franchise of any code
in Australia

Midgets .. most irrelevant football team in the land :cool:
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
morley101 wrote:
As of 15/2/13
NRL (2012 number's bolded)
Brisbane – 17,655 (26,216)
Canterbury Bulldogs – 12,316 (13,544)
Canberra – 6,850 (8,264)
Cronulla Sharks – 7,246 (5,126)
Gold Coast – 6,215 (6,674)
Manly – 6,548 (10,466)
Melbourne – 10,328 (14,762)
Newcastle – 14,213 (19,399)
New Zealand – 7,691 (10,938)
North Queensland – 9,178 (10,336)
Parramatta Eels – 12,045 (11,012)
Penrith – 4,245 (5,686)
St.George – 16,323 (19,223)
South Sydney – 22,003 (22,154)
Sydney – 8,397(10,256)
Wests Tigers – 7,951 (10,305)

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
7,000 only? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Port's about to crack 27,000. :cool:

tell me
will they ' crack' a profit in 2013 ?

8-[


hello


anyone there
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RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
7,000 only? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Port's about to crack 27,000. :cool:

tell me
will they ' crack' a profit in 2013 ?

8-[


hello


anyone there
:-k

crickets chirping :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Answer the Q, Raiderdave. Are you a member of the arse Raiders?
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Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:

Raiders cracked 7,000 today

http://www.raiders.com.au/news-display/ ... bers/68596



will be close to their entire 2012 tally by season kickoff
& will crack 10,000 ( their 2013 target ) by June 30
well done Raiders ..well done =D> =D> =D>
Wow, nearly as good as the bottom placed giants...... =D> =D> =D>

:lol:
nearly as good as the midgets ........... 8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol:

the Midgest have 3500 members in " their " area

the Raiders have 7000 in theirs

the Midgets have the lowest tally of members in their area .... of any professional football franchise of any code
in Australia

Midgets .. most irrelevant football team in the land :cool:
but but but.

Who cares where the members are from. They're still fans and theyre still financial supporters. The giants have more than the raiders!

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Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
7,000 only? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Port's about to crack 27,000. :cool:

tell me
will they ' crack' a profit in 2013 ?

8-[


hello


anyone there
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crickets chirping :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Answer the Q, Raiderdave. Are you a member of the arse Raiders?
of Course I am cockhead :roll:
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Wow, nearly as good as the bottom placed giants...... =D> =D> =D>

:lol:
nearly as good as the midgets ........... 8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol:

the Midgest have 3500 members in " their " area

the Raiders have 7000 in theirs

the Midgets have the lowest tally of members in their area .... of any professional football franchise of any code
in Australia

Midgets .. most irrelevant football team in the land :cool:
but but but.

Who cares where the members are from. They're still fans and theyre still financial supporters. The giants have more than the raiders!

:\: :\: :\: :\:
who cares
the VFL

they'd prefer the Midgets members to come from Western Sydney d head
not everywhere but .... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
RL SOO I 4.068 Million
NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
SOO III 3.364 Million
NRL Prelim 2.219 Million
Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Supporters are supporters Dave. And the giants have more than the raiders!

Wow, just WOW!!!! =D> =D> =D>
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Raiderdave wrote:
Stewie wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:

tell me
will they ' crack' a profit in 2013 ?

8-[


hello


anyone there
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Answer the Q, Raiderdave. Are you a member of the arse Raiders?
of Course I am cockhead :roll:
Are you a member of them when they're performing badly? Remember your little fit a few pages ago saying AFL and nRL fans were stupid if they signed up as members when their team was playing shit? :wink:
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