are the VFL kidding ?

[Xman]

They were already there when they did what they did!

yes they were bottoming out but how do you rise up he ladder when you get poor draft picks because of salary cap sanctions? Thats the point. What would have been a 2-3 year era of poor performance turned into the darkest time in their history.

[Striker]

Would have happened anyway.

[King-Eliagh]

Exactly. The wooden spoons would have happened anyway. As per usual tankman has cause and effect all muddled up in his head.

[Xman]

Exactly. The wooden spoons would have happened anyway. As per usual tankman has cause and effect all muddled up in his head.

So the fact their draft pick sanctions and the worst on field era of their 120 yr club history occured around the same time was just coincidence?



Speak to ANY Carlton supporter about the affects of those sanctions. As I said, how can a club build a team when they get poor draft picks. They had an average team but could recover due to penalties.

[King-Eliagh]

Ahh shall I quote you now or later on your opinion that high or low draft picks rarely makes any difference and that the heaps/most of quality players have not been amongst the top draft picks?

Now or later Xman?

[Xman]

Ahh shall I quote you now or later on your opinion that high or low draft picks rarely makes any difference and that the heaps/most of quality players have not been amongst the top draft picks?

Now or later Xman?

FORMER Carlton president Ian Collins says the salary cap penalties handed to the Blues set the club back a decade.


Etihad Stadium boss Collins said the penalties for cheating were manifestly excessive and on the "whim of the (AFL) commission".

He said the AFL had applied double standards to salary cap breaches, implying the Blues were hit with the big stick and others clubs flogged with a wet lettuce.

"At the time I said it would cost 10 years, and it's basically nearly 10 years. When you look at it, it did what the (AFL) set out to do," he told SuperFooty's Front & Square.

They lost their draft picks. Some are better than none

My point about high draft picks was that a number of teams had received many but had still not been successful. It takes more than a few good young players a year to develop a good team. It's about drafting the right player to complete your team. Geelong and the swans are perfect examples.

[King-Eliagh]

Of course the president of a losing club is gunna clutch at any straw he can find. Much like you and stewie at the moment Xman

Shall I quote you now or later about draft picks making no difference? Now or later Xman?

[Beaussie]

Ahh shall I quote you now or later on your opinion that high or low draft picks rarely makes any difference and that the heaps/most of quality players have not been amongst the top draft picks?

Now or later Xman?

FORMER Carlton president Ian Collins says the salary cap penalties handed to the Blues set the club back a decade.


Etihad Stadium boss Collins said the penalties for cheating were manifestly excessive and on the "whim of the (AFL) commission".

He said the AFL had applied double standards to salary cap breaches, implying the Blues were hit with the big stick and others clubs flogged with a wet lettuce.

"At the time I said it would cost 10 years, and it's basically nearly 10 years. When you look at it, it did what the (AFL) set out to do," he told SuperFooty's Front & Square.

They lost their draft picks. Some are better than none

My point about high draft picks was that a number of teams had received many but had still not been successful. It takes more than a few good young players a year to develop a good team. It's about drafting the right player to complete your team. Geelong and the swans are perfect examples.

Very good point Xman and backed up today by the Swans.

Why the Sydney Swans' recruiting is looking the Goodes
Neil Cordy
The Daily Telegraph
November 21, 201212:00AM

BARGAINS such as Adam Goodes, who was pick No. 43 in 1997, come once in a lifetime. But if there are any gems in tomorrow's AFL draft, Sydney's recruiting team will be favoured to find them.

That the Swans have won flags seven years apart without dropping to the bottom of the ladder and collecting high draft picks is down to the ability of their talent-spotting team.

The team of list manager Kinnear Beatson, Ric Barham and Michael Agresta, can lay claim to some of the best recruiting in recent years.

"Kinnear's one of the very best," Swans boss Andrew Ireland said.

"You can't say it's luck because the good guys do it more often than not."

Beatson and his team know how to make a little go a long way - and this year's team was a case in point.

In 2009 the Swans snared two of the best youngsters in the league in Lewis Jetta (pick 14) and Sam Reid (38). In 2010 they got Luke Parker (40) and Alex Johnson (57). And Dan Hannebery was snapped up at selection 30 in 2008.

So, how does Beatson do so well at the draft? His philosophy is to pretend you're spending your own money.

"Every time we call a kid's name it's roughly around a $250,000 investment," Beatson said. "If it was your $250,000 what are you going for? High risk/high return or low risk/moderate return?"

Coach John Longmire and his assistants spent all of last week with the recruiting staff, watching Australia's best young talentand ranking them.

But not just physical talent is considered. "Lots of players are highly skilled and highly athletic but don't make it," Beatson said. "A few are unlucky with injury but, for the majority, it's the work rate. The grunt to do the work."

And it's not just youngsters they find - they trawl their opponents for diamonds in the rough. Josh Kennedy (Hawthorn), Shane Mumford (Geelong), Ted Richards (Essendon), Marty Mattner (Adelaide), Rhyce Shaw (Collingwood) and Mitch Morton (Richmond) were "surplus to requirements".

Longmire already has a premiership but he has asked Beatson and his team to freshen up his list of players.

Sydney have picks 23, 45, 47, 66, 67, 96 and 104. GWS Giants have 1, 2, 3, 12, 14, 28, 65,69 and 84. But Beatson knows how to manage a shopping list.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6520683504