The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[King-Eliagh]

Yes I cant compare it to the biff in vid three because the seriousness of the injuries resulting are like chalk and cheese. The on field biff has never hurt anyone in comparison to the cheap shot. The biff is a comparatively safe way to ensure cheap shots occur less.

Unless we have biff, cheap shot beget cheap shots Helen. I got that one from your and book

What? The damage of on field punchups is more than just the injury to players on the field. Its the example to other RL players and the community overall, since they copy the same behaviour.

youre too stupid to see the connection.

We're not sheep Helen

[Striker]

Striker I think you give children too little credit as to their instinctual violent tendencies. I know I and pretty much every kid i knew was very well restrained on and off the footy fields we played on.

When we were kids things were very different. Bullying wasn't on the "look out" radar for starters. I think in fact you're giving children too much credit rather than me giving them too little. Violence in society is increasing and parents are becoming more lazy in controlling it when it needs to be. So there are none of the corrections that we were used to when we were their age.

Different rules have to be applied to the juniors and to the big boys. Make that mandatory, and the effects of the biff on TV will be reduced.

[King-Eliagh]

Bullying certainly was on the radar and has been on the radar for decades. Can you supply any evidence of parents becoming more lazy? I'm also not sold on the violence is increasing line. What sort of violence?

[Striker]

Google Jill Meagher for a start, El, if you want to talk about violence in general.

Bullying wasn't getting the sort of publicity back when we were kids that it is now. Parents getting lazy with parenting shows in the increase in demand of child care. They won't do it themselves, for right reasons and wrong. I don't think I need to give evidence for all that.

[King-Eliagh]

I think you're simply making grand assumptions there striker. Google jill meagher indeed! If we're gunna go down that dumb line, google charles manson you silly twat. Better still google 'torture in the middle ages'. You'll pee your panties and vow never to make your dumb comment on violence again Xman will likely vommit and then turd and pee in his panties simultaneuosly

Bullying got heaps of publicity over the past 3 decades. The only reason bullying seens to get more publicity now is because media has become more pervasive through technology and the internet.

Xman would lead you to believe that developing a blanket bullying policy in a primary school will eradicate bullying yeah right

[Xman]

I think you're simply making grand assumptions there striker. Google jill meagher indeed! If we're gunna go down that dumb line, google charles manson you silly twat. Better still google 'torture in the middle ages'. You'll pee your panties and vow never to make your dumb comment on violence again Xman will likely vommit and then turd and pee in his panties simultaneuosly

Bullying got heaps of publicity over the past 3 decades. The only reason bullying seens to get more publicity now is because media has become more pervasive through technology and the internet.

Xman would lead you to believe that developing a blanket bullying policy in a primary school will eradicate bullying yeah right

but turning a blind eye to bullying wont work either. In fact if it was the NRL theyd be cheering the bullying on as sport.

[King-Eliagh]

Hahahaha ahhhh Xman, once again your argument is so obviously fundamentally flawed. The NRL have rules in place against unecessary violence. They're just a little more refined and intelligent than what the AFL have in place, thats all. Yep blanket ruling against violence doesnt happen nor work anywhere. The AFL and Xman think it does though How easy it is to prove them wrong

Xman you done on this one yet mate? Just scream "mercy" when you've had enough

[Xman]

Hahahaha ahhhh Xman, once again your argument is so obviously fundamentally flawed. The NRL have rules in place against unecessary violence. They're just a little more refined and intelligent than what the AFL have in place, thats all. Yep blanket ruling against violence doesnt happen nor work anywhere. The AFL and Xman think it does though How easy it is to prove them wrong

Xman you done on this one yet mate? Just scream "mercy" when you've had enough

So letting players fight toe to toe is refined and intelligent?

[King-Eliagh]

Players arent allowed to fight toe to toe willy nilly. But in defending their human rights they are. Yes, defending human rights is refined and intelligent. The AFL dont allow it no more and the fans are voting with their feet on it

[Xman]

Players arent allowed to fight toe to toe willy nilly. But in defending their human rights they are. Yes, defending human rights is refined and intelligent. The AFL dont allow it no more and the fans are voting with their feet on it

defending against what?

"he said I was soft" *smash!
"He bumped me over" *smash!



These are men, not toddlers. If you cant take a cheap shot and move on without resorting to punches you deserve to be punished. You are in the community and so you should be on the field.

The NRL is a disgraceful example to society of tolerance. The NRL GF was a joke with its ear biting and all.

[King-Eliagh]

I think the evidence will prove you wrong once again Xman. A very small minority of fights break out because of the reasons you suggest. The vast majority break out due to much worse on field cheap shots.

I missed the GF, but yes if ear biting occured then i would certainly hope the perpetrator got his comeuppance...with biffo!

[Xman]

I think the evidence will prove you wrong once again Xman. A very small minority of fights break out because of the reasons you suggest. The vast majority break out due to much worse on field cheap shots.

I missed the GF, but yes if ear biting occured then i would certainly hope the perpetrator got his comeuppance...with biffo!

Ever heard the term "two wrongs dont make a right"? If a player is punched why should they be allowed to punch back unpunished? Both are wrong. All it causes is a bigger fight with more potential for injury and a very bad example for fans.

[King-Eliagh]

Oh boy, Helen Lovejoy's back in the building.

Xman. Your forgetting about human instinct...once again. ok. your mother is being slaughtered by some axe weilding maniac and you notice he's left a running chainsaw on the bench. Do you

a) step back noting that 2 wrongs dont make a right and call the local policeman to deal with things appropriately...when he/she arrives after your mother is no longer with the living
b)follow your human instincts and retaliate by hacking into the maniacs arm holding the axe with the chainsaw, saving your mothers life in the process.

Xman you think you're all righteous and correct on this one but the facts are humans will and deserve the right to retaliate violently to what they see as violent injustice. A set of rules which cant acknowledge this fact is fundamentally sub par. The AFL - got it wrong. There's no doubts about it. We're not living in Xman's mundane robot world where humans dont react emotionallyand violently...and thank god we're not.

[Xman]

Oh boy, Helen Lovejoy's back in the building.

Xman. Your forgetting about human instinct...once again. ok. your mother is being slaughtered by some axe weilding maniac and you notice he's left a running chainsaw on the bench. Do you

a) step back noting that 2 wrongs dont make a right and call the local policeman to deal with things appropriately...when he/she arrives after your mother is no longer with the living
b)follow your human instincts and retaliate by hacking into the maniacs arm holding the axe with the chainsaw, saving your mothers life in the process.

Xman you think you're all righteous and correct on this one but the facts are humans will and deserve the right to retaliate violently to what they see as violent injustice. A set of rules which cant acknowledge this fact is fundamentally sub par. The AFL - got it wrong. There's no doubts about it. We're not living in Xman's mundane robot world where humans dont react emotionallyand violently...and thank god we're not.

Surely you're not comparing ego driven fighting on the sporting field to someone losing their life in the community!? You can't be seriously THAT stupid!

[King-Eliagh]

Ego driven? Dont try and narrow the argument you silly buffoon.

Xman didnt you alert us all before to the fact that king hits can cause death? In case you never noticed RL and Marngrook arent as safe a past time as chess or synchronised swimming. You can get seriously hurt out there and if that chance is increased by some dodgy ***** who doesnt care for the rules then players have the right to retaliate violently, with whatever means they deem necessary to stop the unjust actions being undertaken. It sends a good clean message to the children to stick up for themselves and fight against injustice. Seems our Xman would rather children and adults didnt do that but rather submitted to giving those in authority positions, who often have not seen or exprerienced what occurred.

Stupid? That's our Helen.