The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[Xman]

No pookus I cant agree. I'm sorry but violence is prevalent and permeates through all societies all cultures.It's not gunna go away because folk like you and Xman scream "whaaaaaat about the children". We should thus be teaching young men that violence is normal and that it is not some bad thing which we must refrain from at all costs, in order to provide 'male leadership'. Appropriate times for using violence should be taught and I must say, there is nothing wrong with thumping some ***** who just kneed you in the nuts, on the sporting field or elsewhere. You must stand up for and respect yourself. Violence for self defence and to protect others should be condoned, enough of this flowery "but violence begets violence" rubbish. There's plenty of pricks out there who know no better than to dominate others with violence and if I see someone getting violently beaten on the ground I'm gunna go in and use all means necessary to stop the rubbish, and so, I would hope, you and everyone else would too pookus. Sure call the cops but if someones getting seriously hurt we must step in.

On the sporting field biffo has rarely hurt anyone. It should be looked at and adjudicated in the context in which it takes place, as it is in society.

Wow! The biggest load of shite ive ever read

Violence is not an appropriate solution to a problem. A shove or jab might seem harmless but once it escalates so do the consequences. How can you ignore the statistics being shown in recent articles about violence? See the deaths? The permanent brain injuries? Lives and families ruined? For what? The right to remonstrate or impose your physical superiority? Grow up and move in to the 21st century. Those days are over. Now days we should resolve conflict without violence. No one ever died from a discussion or verbal argument.

You only have to look at road rage as an example. Sure people get annoyed in traffic but when people take violence into a traffic altercation people get stabbed or assaulted. Its not on. The fact you think its OK is just astounding.

[Xman]

The Under 18s Cup match between Northern Suburbs Tigers and Brothers.

David Nielsen
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YESTERDAY'S Ipswich Rugby League under 18 grand final turned into foot-brawl during a farcical last minute all-in fight involving players and spectators.

The game included a number of explosive incidents before a fight, with five minutes remaining, sparked chaotic scenes.

With players involved in numerous fights at the southern end of the ground a number of spectators ran on to the field and joined in the melee.

Security guards and other patrons also invaded the oval to attempt to break up the brawl and remove the offending pitch invaders.

The initial offender was dragged from the field by up to four security personnel before being himself attacked by other patrons as he was removed through a sea of spectators.

The incident forced an early end to the game and IRL operations manager Brendon Rose made an announcement to the crowd during the trophy presentation.

Mr Rose sent a stern warning that all games were videoed and offenders would be identified in a review of the footage.

IRL chairman Jack Rhea told the QT the offenders were in the hands of the police.

"They've been removed from the venue by the police," Mr Rhea said.

"This incident was a disgrace.

"We will be looking at the footage tomorrow and if they can be identified they will never be allowed back into a game of rugby league in Ipswich as long as I have a say."

He said the IRL would assist police with their inquiries.

The incident came on the back of similar ugly scenes at a Brisbane Junior Rugby League grand final day at Wacol on Saturday.

Spectators also invaded the ground during both an under-15 and under-18 match at the junior carnival.

http://www.echonews.com.au/story/2012/0 ... -in-brawl/

FMD! RL! What a revolting sport full of violent bogans!

No doubt KE will be applauding this though.

[King-Eliagh]

Xman's shock and awe stats...How many deaths and permanent brain injuries as a result of biffo on the footy field Xman? Is it happening every one in ten fights? Lets be realistic about this. The biffo on the footy field rarely involves king hits and head injuries and concussions occur much more during what might be considered normal game play. Broken necks, jaws, arms etc etc etc are all occurrences that'll happen and as you put it ruin lives at probably 1000 times to 1 when compared to on field biffo injuries. I think you're watching the wrong sport if you cant handle a bit of violence Xman.

They are highly violent sports and as a result biffo occurs and should be reviewed depending on the context in which it occurs...You may use your moral high ground 21st century wishy washy crap all you like. Facts are facts and violence is violence.

[Xman]

I have a legitimate concern here and I’ll tell you why.

I coach rugby league at a schoolboy and junior club level. I am responsible for boys across a range of ages: 13–17 roughly, but sometimes I have players a little younger.

We play in both the local club and local schoolboy competitions, both of which are usually administered by the ARL and CRL (about to be known as NRL Development).

If one of my boys throws a punch on the field (as has happened to us at critical times this year), he is not only sent off but he is banned for a week.

If the player he assaults punches back, then he too gets sent off and has an automatic one week ban.

The local judiciary can then look at the severity of the incident and make the suspension longer if need be. If it happens at a school game, then the consequence applies to his club games as well.

Now, I don’t have a problem with this. In fact, I think it is useful to have a blanket policy like this because it means there is no grey area: everyone understands the rule (comes under the SAFE PLAY CODE) and the consequences if it is broken.

Not only that, but I don’t want my players thinking belting an opposition player is a useful tactic.

I want them on the field using their strength and skill within the laws of the game to win. I don’t want them out there bashing the daylights out of the opposition.

It doesn’t matter what age the player. If they compete in junior club level or a schoolboy comp, then rules are the same.

But when my boys turn on the TV on Friday night to watch the footy, they see players – professionals who make a living from the sport – belting each other with no apparent consequence.

Either that or they are sin binned for 10 minutes.

They can get a ban from the judiciary for high tackles, for cheap shots, for dangerous play, but not for punching each other?

I am worried about the contradiction of the message this sends my players.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/17/th ... by-league/

Right on cue. Read this article KE, and hang your head in shame!

[TLPG]

They are highly violent sports and as a result biffo occurs and should be reviewed depending on the context in which it occurs...You may use your moral high ground 21st century wishy washy crap all you like. Facts are facts and violence is violence.

And you are part of the problem as I said before. Violence is unacceptable - end of.

[King-Eliagh]

What an un thought out reactionary piece of dribble. Violence should be analysed. 99.9% of the time there is a distinct reason for it and penalising a player who punches someone after they bit his testicle or after they stomped on their mates head is and never will be fair. Penalising a player who punches someone after they push him is fair. When playing a high contact violent and physical sport players deserve the right to stand up for them selves physically and violently. The referees and review panels have the job to adjudicate the players actions, taking in the context of the occassion.

[Xman]

What an un thought out reactionary piece of dribble. Violence should be analysed. 99.9% of the time there is a distinct reason for it and penalising a player who punches someone after they bit his testicle or after they stomped on their mates head is and never will be fair. Penalising a player who punches someone after they push him is fair. When playing a high contact violent and physical sport players deserve the right to stand up for them selves physically and violently. The referees and review panels have the job to adjudicate the players actions, taking in the context of the occassion.

The RL junior coach is dead right. The NRL deal with violence as if they not only permit it but encourage it. This leaves junior competitions in a position where they have young people copying their heroes and assaulting each other in incidents that have nothing to do with the sport. Some of these incident, whether on the field or in the carpark, have been direclty linked with head injury and death.

YOU ARE EXCUSING THIS BEHAVIOUR AND IN FACT PROMOTING IT AS ENTERTAINMENT!!!!

Low life! You disgust me!

[TLPG]

And to add to that, the player who bit the testicle should be punished by the authorities - not on the field of play!!

[King-Eliagh]

Settlle down Xman and jump off that high moral pony you're riding. There's been barely any concussions, and as far as i can recall nil deaths, occurring from fisticuffs on field. Watching two blokes go toe to toe is entertaining. Most who like league or marngrook find it quite exciting.

And LG are you condoning testicle biting and saying it should be dealt with "not on the field of play"?? what a strange man you are.

[TLPG]

No, I'm not condoning it at all. Anyone found guilty should be suspended for life. But other players are NOT the "police"! You support vigilante acts. That is not acceptable.

[Xman]

MORE than a quarter of king hit assaults across the nation in the last seven years have been linked to the major football codes, according to a News Limited analysis


Fool!

As TLPG says, indiscretions should be dealt with by the authorities not by players on the field. How would you like your son too be killed by a king hit on the field or after the game for an incidental accident on the field? Or even as someone standing near an all in brawl?

[King-Eliagh]

Stop trying to make me into a helen lovejoy scaredy pants like yourself Xman. You go onto the field playing a violent sport there's a chance you might die. But lets not overdo this, this rarely happens and its much more likely you'll die in a car crash or by bee sting.

Stop your fear mongering Xman. And stop reading those trashy news limited articles, they're skewing your perception and perspective all over the shop.

It is important to allow people their god given right to retaliate if someone bites them on the testicle. Personally, if I was bitten on the field playing RL, I'd be happy in the fact the judiciary would look leneintly on whatever reaction I chose...which would most likely be 3 swift knees to the head. Yes RL has it right on the adjudication of on field violence folks. Dont let Xman's fear mongering make you think any different.

[pookus]

No pookus I cant agree. I'm sorry but violence is prevalent and permeates through all societies all cultures.It's not gunna go away because folk like you and Xman scream "whaaaaaat about the children". We should thus be teaching young men that violence is normal and that it is not some bad thing which we must refrain from at all costs, in order to provide 'male leadership'. Appropriate times for using violence should be taught and I must say, there is nothing wrong with thumping some ***** who just kneed you in the nuts, on the sporting field or elsewhere. You must stand up for and respect yourself. Violence for self defence and to protect others should be condoned, enough of this flowery "but violence begets violence" rubbish. There's plenty of pricks out there who know no better than to dominate others with violence and if I see someone getting violently beaten on the ground I'm gunna go in and use all means necessary to stop the rubbish, and so, I would hope, you and everyone else would too pookus. Sure call the cops but if someones getting seriously hurt we must step in.

On the sporting field biffo has rarely hurt anyone. It should be looked at and adjudicated in the context in which it takes place, as it is in society.

Your getting killed here bud.I know many a man who takes your position on this and yes occasionally in our lives we have to man up and get it on.But the football field is not the place.As much as I agree with you on some of your points I cant condone violence on the footy field.Especially at junior and local level people need to know they can go and play a game of footy without getting bashed.And bud in my experience and growing up around the commision flats of melbourne the most violent people come from the most violent homes.That is an undeniable fact.Violence does beget violence.As far as letting young men be violent because this is who they are I agree with you a hundred percent.But the ring is the place for these young warriors not the footy field.I worry that someone will be killed by a king hit and lets face it a footy blue usually starts with one.A punch thrown at someone who isnt ready isnt right just like tallis's.On the footy field you are not expecting to be punched so often you are defenseless.In the confines of the canvas square that is very different.Number one rule of the ring protect your self at ALL times Your not taught that playing footy.

[TLPG]

KE supports on field violence. He supports the junior incidents that have been referred to. His last response is proof of this.

Again - KE is not a part of the solution. He is part of the problem. And he won't appropriately protect a kid of his own in the process, which is flat out disgusting and makes him a poor parent.

[King-Eliagh]

KE supports on field violence. He supports the junior incidents that have been referred to. His last response is proof of this.

Again - KE is not a part of the solution. He is part of the problem. And he won't appropriately protect a kid of his own in the process, which is flat out disgusting and makes him a poor parent.

Yes I sure do support on field violence. Otherwise I wouldnt like any of the footy codes.

LG those lines about me and the children are awesome!You ahh forgot to mention these lil things about me and 'children' though