Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[Xman]

ah .... I'd say the real figure for the VFL is around 4.5 Million as its always been
no one can take these foxtel ratings seriously ... they make the myth of regional ratings for the NRL look tame in comparison

so its a loss for the Victorian game as it always is

but even if they weren't a piece of fiction & were believable
did they count for much $$ wise in our respective TV deals marcus

So your "story" is that Regional and metro figures are accurate but Foxtels are rubbish?

Havent you guys been bragging about foxtels figures for years?



Face it Dave, the AFL have a far bigger national audience and now with the AFL on foxtel and FTA the true market has access and is being included in the counting.

Poor poor NRL!

for a 3rd time
which metro areas in the sthn states were not counted in official ratings as you claimed ?

a simple
none .. I made a mistake will suffice
then we'll go from there shall we ?

i never said a metro area wasnt counted

[Xman]

Did the NRL increase their viewership by 30% + when they got their deal in 2006? Was the content better? The 30% increase in AFL viewership this year is due to live AFL and one extra game. The only live games in the past were the 5 foxtel games. AFL now has 9 live games with the friday night live getting a big increase. You are right in that there has not been a sudden increase in fans. What there has been is more fans watching games because of the live content.


NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

Wow i think this is the first time a AFL fan has admitted that the increase in viewership for the AFL in 2012 is mainly due to increased coverage and more live games.

This also explains why the AFL crowds are in decline.

Well done Pies, you are saying what i been saying for the last 4 months and i am still not able to get through to Xman and the other clowns. =D>

of course the increase is due to live coverage, but also earlier coverage. Last year the AFL started at 8.40 and didnt finish until 11.15. Thats just too late to maintain a consistent rating over 3 hrs. This year most of the game is in prime time so the average audience is way bigger.

The other major reasons for a dramatic increase in viewers:

- for the first time Perth can see AFL live on friday and saturday nights. They always had games delayed by 3 hrs. A heap of them wouldnt even bother watching. Now they are and in decent numbers on foxtel.

- There is clearly a decent market for AFL in NSW and QLD and these people are watching big games on Foxtel. From memory they didnt get these games consistently last year. They just got the swans and lions on FTA mainly.

Sorry boys, we got the cash, the much better coverage, and now we're getting the ratings. =D>

[piesman2011]

NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

the population of Australia is almost 23 Million ... not 21.9

& the penetration levels mean squat
the VFL despite having 4 sides to our 1 in the others heartland does not rate that much more on TV
the ratings from our 4 biggest games in the sthn states are ova 2 Million .... the other 78 covered around 2.5 Million
& this would just about cover the entire VFL season in NSW QLD & the ACT

nah you'll need more then that

our 2 million advantage in population is why we will always win
its just the way it is

The population of Australia also includes two Teritorities and has a total of about 22.5 million. I got my stats from 2012 data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_lis ... erritories

[piesman2011]

Did the NRL increase their viewership by 30% + when they got their deal in 2006? Was the content better? The 30% increase in AFL viewership this year is due to live AFL and one extra game. The only live games in the past were the 5 foxtel games. AFL now has 9 live games with the friday night live getting a big increase. You are right in that there has not been a sudden increase in fans. What there has been is more fans watching games because of the live content.


NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

a live VFL game in 2011 attracted 1 Million odd veiwers
same live game in 2012 ... attracts 1.35 Million

& thats just about every game
for no other reason then because all the rest of the games are live too ....

.. thats curious
wot did all these dribblers do last year for their fix of singletball ?.... did they simply not watch it
because they couldn't watch 2 games out of the 8 live .. they chose to universally boycott the games altogether
oh i can't watch it live ... so I simply won't watch it at all

wot a load of old bollocks


walt disney would be embarrased with the believability of these fairy tales

The key is consistant live AFL games. If people know they are live and on every week they will watch them. Before you only found out with about a days notice due to a sell out that the game might be live. If the games were not live you were often watching the games on TV and then switch to the radio at half time or just listening to the radio for the live experience. At half time on TV the games were almost finished on the radio so you could tune in at half time and find out who won. That way you could go to bed at 10.30 rather then stay up to midnight to find out the result.

[piesman2011]

Did the NRL increase their viewership by 30% + when they got their deal in 2006? Was the content better? The 30% increase in AFL viewership this year is due to live AFL and one extra game. The only live games in the past were the 5 foxtel games. AFL now has 9 live games with the friday night live getting a big increase. You are right in that there has not been a sudden increase in fans. What there has been is more fans watching games because of the live content.


NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

Apples for Apples! I only used live games only. The first Friday night semis - all live (for the previous years I looked up.

Your Friday night club game (with PayTV numbers included) was up 40% but had previously been slightly delayed.

i would say that this fridays game was up from 1.165 (metro only) to about 1.325 (metro only) (taken away some from the foxtel numbers to cover regionals). At most I would say up 170K or so. You could put this down to the teams playing and the bad weather this year in melbourne friday night. You could also include the regular live friday night live games have meant that people are more likely to watch TV compared to listening to the call on the radio. Im getting the increased audiance of 13% I could be wrong. (1.325 divided by 1.165 X100= 113% of last years figure) As to the home and away games. Often last year we didn't know until the last few minutes that a game would be live (it had to be sold out). When it was live people would tune in at 8.30 pm to watch the game and find that the game was almost half over. Consistant live football is much better at showing the true figures then the occasional live game that people were not sure would be live.

[piesman2011]

Did the NRL increase their viewership by 30% + when they got their deal in 2006? Was the content better? The 30% increase in AFL viewership this year is due to live AFL and one extra game. The only live games in the past were the 5 foxtel games. AFL now has 9 live games with the friday night live getting a big increase. You are right in that there has not been a sudden increase in fans. What there has been is more fans watching games because of the live content.


NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

Wow i think this is the first time a AFL fan has admitted that the increase in viewership for the AFL in 2012 is mainly due to increased coverage and more live games.

This also explains why the AFL crowds are in decline.

Well done Pies, you are saying what i been saying for the last 4 months and i am still not able to get through to Xman and the other clowns. =D>

Both RL and AR are popular in this country. Fans hate delayed football. Look at the second friday night games ratings (NRL) to see what happens when games are delayed. Are there more fans of AFL then last year? Yeah probabaly but there are not a large amount more. Have more fans tuned in this year because of live games? Definately. Imagine the number of viewers of RL that are not watching RL on friday nights because all the get to see are broncos and Bulldogs games. Raiders, Sharks, Roosters, Storm and Parra fans are all praying for the day when there are two live friday night games with every team given equal oppotunity to play on friday night.

[piesman2011]

As to crowds in decline and there is no doubt about it. The following four factors all have contribued

About an extra 15 games in small stadiums including more in Tasmania, Canberra and Sydney (GWS) (both North Melbourne and Hawthorn have sold games to Tassy)
Ground upgrades: probabaly cost the code 75000 extra people through the gates
GWS and Gold Coast: not only lower the league averages at home. They also lower the league crowd averages every time they travel with no away fans. Probabaly 10,000 less away fans at games when they travel to melbourne, Adelaide and Perth then if the home team was playing any other team. (thats about 220,000 fans less comming to games.
Live AFL footy has cost mostly the struggling teams whos fans would prefer to see their team loose on TV rather then go to the game and cop crap from opposition supporters. (god knows how many fans have stayed away)

Overall crowds were down about 300,000 on last year with an extra 11 games. So I would say they have lost in total about 600,000 people at the grounds.


Overall I cant see this getting worse its all up from next year.

[eelofwest]

As to crowds in decline and there is no doubt about it. The following four factors all have contribued

About an extra 15 games in small stadiums including more in Tasmania, Canberra and Sydney (GWS) (both North Melbourne and Hawthorn have sold games to Tassy)
Ground upgrades: probabaly cost the code 75000 extra people through the gates
GWS and Gold Coast: not only lower the league averages at home. They also lower the league crowd averages every time they travel with no away fans. Probabaly 10,000 less away fans at games when they travel to melbourne, Adelaide and Perth then if the home team was playing any other team. (thats about 220,000 fans less comming to games.
Live AFL footy has cost mostly the struggling teams whos fans would prefer to see their team loose on TV rather then go to the game and cop crap from opposition supporters. (god knows how many fans have stayed away)

Overall crowds were down about 300,000 on last year with an extra 11 games. So I would say they have lost in total about 600,000 people at the grounds.


Overall I cant see this getting worse its all up from next year.

Yeah tend to agree that the crowds will rise again next year, but Pies how much has 600k fans cost the AFL clubs could you put a estimate on it?

Now add that cost in with the Expansion costs and it is clear that the NRL tv Deal was a lot better financially then the AFL deal.

[Xman]

As to crowds in decline and there is no doubt about it. The following four factors all have contribued

About an extra 15 games in small stadiums including more in Tasmania, Canberra and Sydney (GWS) (both North Melbourne and Hawthorn have sold games to Tassy)
Ground upgrades: probabaly cost the code 75000 extra people through the gates
GWS and Gold Coast: not only lower the league averages at home. They also lower the league crowd averages every time they travel with no away fans. Probabaly 10,000 less away fans at games when they travel to melbourne, Adelaide and Perth then if the home team was playing any other team. (thats about 220,000 fans less comming to games.
Live AFL footy has cost mostly the struggling teams whos fans would prefer to see their team loose on TV rather then go to the game and cop crap from opposition supporters. (god knows how many fans have stayed away)

Overall crowds were down about 300,000 on last year with an extra 11 games. So I would say they have lost in total about 600,000 people at the grounds.


Overall I cant see this getting worse its all up from next year.

Yeah tend to agree that the crowds will rise again next year, but Pies how much has 600k fans cost the AFL clubs could you put a estimate on it?

Now add that cost in with the Expansion costs and it is clear that the NRL tv Deal was a lot better financially then the AFL deal.

memberships were actually up so its hard to say what sort of financial penalty the lower crowds had. I know there are games where the general public was well attended but the members areas looked down. This would suggest not much of a financial penalty at all because members have already paid.

To suggest the NRL got a better TV deal because they wont suffer a dip in crowds due to live tv games is crazy talk. Increased coverage on FTA TV give increased exposure, leadiing to bigger better sponsorship opportunities. Many of the NRL teams will continue to struggle for sponsorship because the Broncos will dominate the FTA games leaving few if any games to smaller clubs. The Broncos will continue to make a profit but the NRL will be forced to prop up these other teams with grants because theyll continue to struggle for income. Healthy clubs mean healthy comp. Thats where the NRLs next TV deal will really begin to hurt.

[piesman2011]

As to crowds in decline and there is no doubt about it. The following four factors all have contribued

About an extra 15 games in small stadiums including more in Tasmania, Canberra and Sydney (GWS) (both North Melbourne and Hawthorn have sold games to Tassy)
Ground upgrades: probabaly cost the code 75000 extra people through the gates
GWS and Gold Coast: not only lower the league averages at home. They also lower the league crowd averages every time they travel with no away fans. Probabaly 10,000 less away fans at games when they travel to melbourne, Adelaide and Perth then if the home team was playing any other team. (thats about 220,000 fans less comming to games.
Live AFL footy has cost mostly the struggling teams whos fans would prefer to see their team loose on TV rather then go to the game and cop crap from opposition supporters. (god knows how many fans have stayed away)

Overall crowds were down about 300,000 on last year with an extra 11 games. So I would say they have lost in total about 600,000 people at the grounds.


Overall I cant see this getting worse its all up from next year.

Yeah tend to agree that the crowds will rise again next year, but Pies how much has 600k fans cost the AFL clubs could you put a estimate on it?

Now add that cost in with the Expansion costs and it is clear that the NRL tv Deal was a lot better financially then the AFL deal.

memberships were actually up so its hard to say what sort of financial penalty the lower crowds had. I know there are games where the general public was well attended but the members areas looked down. This would suggest not much of a financial penalty at all because members have already paid.

To suggest the NRL got a better TV deal because they wont suffer a dip in crowds due to live tv games is crazy talk. Increased coverage on FTA TV give increased exposure, leadiing to bigger better sponsorship opportunities. Many of the NRL teams will continue to struggle for sponsorship because the Broncos will dominate the FTA games leaving few if any games to smaller clubs. The Broncos will continue to make a profit but the NRL will be forced to prop up these other teams with grants because theyll continue to struggle for income. Healthy clubs mean healthy comp. Thats where the NRLs next TV deal will really begin to hurt.

600K less people would have cost the AFL/clubs about 12 million dollars + (just a guess)
However: Move members = more dollars (even if they dont turn up to all the games they have membership for)
Tasmania payed clubs big money to play in Tassy (cant remember how much exactly but it might be somewhere in the vacinity of 2 million each to Nth Melbourne and Hawthorn.
SCG compensated the Swans during the ground renovations.
Canbera payed the Giants money just to turn up (would have been 1 million +)
More FTA = much more sponsership
The new TV deal more then made up for this loss, with an extra 100 million a year.

[Raiderdave]

NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

the population of Australia is almost 23 Million ... not 21.9

& the penetration levels mean squat
the VFL despite having 4 sides to our 1 in the others heartland does not rate that much more on TV
the ratings from our 4 biggest games in the sthn states are ova 2 Million .... the other 78 covered around 2.5 Million
& this would just about cover the entire VFL season in NSW QLD & the ACT

nah you'll need more then that

our 2 million advantage in population is why we will always win
its just the way it is

The population of Australia also includes two Teritorities and has a total of about 22.5 million. I got my stats from 2012 data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_lis ... erritories

wikipedia ?
try ABS ...... http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf ... -banner=LN

our population as of 5 minutes ago was 22,725,835

Vicky Kicky States
Vic , Wa , Sa , TAS NT ... 10.350 Million

NRL states
NSW , QLD , ACT ...12.375 Million

as I said ... a 2 million difference

[piesman2011]

How is ACT or the NT a state to begin with and secondly I wouldnt call ACT, RL or NT AR they are about 60%/40% one way or the other at best.

[Xman]

No.

NSW/ACT/QLD = 12.131M

The rest therefore = 10.354M

A difference of 1,77M

Obviously the AFL has a following in Brisbane, GC, Sydney, Southern NSW, ACT and even Cairns.

Where as the NRL has a very small following in Melbourne.

Id say that puts AFL ahead.

[Raiderdave]

Did the NRL increase their viewership by 30% + when they got their deal in 2006? Was the content better? The 30% increase in AFL viewership this year is due to live AFL and one extra game. The only live games in the past were the 5 foxtel games. AFL now has 9 live games with the friday night live getting a big increase. You are right in that there has not been a sudden increase in fans. What there has been is more fans watching games because of the live content.


NSW/Qld has 11.8 million compared to Vic/WA/SA/Tas with 10.1 million but I would say that the AR penertration is a lot higher in NSW/Qld then the penertration of RL in Vic/SA/WA/Tas. Im happy to call it even, without including Rugby union.

Wow i think this is the first time a AFL fan has admitted that the increase in viewership for the AFL in 2012 is mainly due to increased coverage and more live games.

This also explains why the AFL crowds are in decline.

Well done Pies, you are saying what i been saying for the last 4 months and i am still not able to get through to Xman and the other clowns. =D>

of course the increase is due to live coverage, but also earlier coverage. Last year the AFL started at 8.40 and didnt finish until 11.15. Thats just too late to maintain a consistent rating over 3 hrs. This year most of the game is in prime time so the average audience is way bigger.

The other major reasons for a dramatic increase in viewers:

- for the first time Perth can see AFL live on friday and saturday nights. They always had games delayed by 3 hrs. A heap of them wouldnt even bother watching. Now they are and in decent numbers on foxtel.

- There is clearly a decent market for AFL in NSW and QLD and these people are watching big games on Foxtel. From memory they didnt get these games consistently last year. They just got the swans and lions on FTA mainly.

Sorry boys, we got the cash, the much better coverage, and now we're getting the ratings. =D>

oh so its not the un counted regionals as you were saying had to be the reason before .... its now something else as equally ridiculous
wot a load of cr@p
live coverage ..... increasing the total audience by nearly 40%
6 out of 8 games live in 2011
but every game shown live in its respective market anyway... but now people in perth can watch a game not involving their side live
400K more veiwers previously no where to be seen ... appear

perth ... perth .. its nearly all perth

why do you lie

They always had games delayed by 3 hrs.

as per last year Perth has the Friday final at 6.30pm their time ... or 8.30pm our time ... just an hr delayed ... NOT 3
& its LIVE on FTA on sat .. as it was in 2011
this probably explains why fta figures remain the same in Perth in 2012 .. no change
& ...subscription rates in perth are still as low as 17% .. & barely rose at all in 2012

you can't use them for the 400K extra veiwers for last Friday night ... nah it wasn't them



oh oh oh ... NSW & QLD ... they must be coming from there too
yes .. of course they are
only 34% of people in these states have pay ... & ratings on FTA .. which 100% of the population has .. can be as low as 25K or less for vicky kicky games not involving the swines or paddle pop lions
so of course its natural to assume that 75K are now watching it on pay... or some reason .. I dunno why ... but its feasible

no it would be more believable if you said the 400K did in fact just pop up out of the ground .. then the above hilarious reasons you've got here marcus
I have never read a bigger load of baloney
nah its obvious the people who counted crowds at Midgits & Thuns home games this year are also in charge of compiling the VFL ratings for foxtel

[Raiderdave]

No.

NSW/ACT/QLD = 12.131M

The rest therefore = 10.354M

A difference of 1,77M

Obviously the AFL has a following in Brisbane, GC, Sydney, Southern NSW, ACT and even Cairns.

Where as the NRL has a very small following in Melbourne.

Id say that puts AFL ahead.

did you even open the ABS link you lame brained lying doofus

NRL states population is 12.375 Million
Vicky Kicky states .. 10.350 Million

the number of people who follow Victorian rules in our states .. wouldn't be more then 100K or so
it really is quite unpopular

leaving us with a 1.9 Million lead
we win
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