Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[piesman2011]

Heres a prediction for the online and the NZ rights for the NRL. Not that I have to much of a clue but why not have a guess.

NZ rights 80 million
Online rights 95 million

Total rights with extra rights added : 1.2 billion.

I think your online rights is close to the mark Pies.

But NZ rights 80m

We got 75m 6 years ago, how the hell do you think the value of our NZ sky rights is only going to go up by 5m. The ratings for NRL on Sky has improved enormously in 6 years especially the warriors ratings.

My guess 110m for NZ sky.
100m for online rights.

Also take into account how undersold our last tv deal was and it is a no brainier that we will get over 100m for NZ.

What you say makes perfect sense. I went with 80 million for NZ rights (its a possibility)because Sky have no real competition and will refuse to pay much more for for the rights, claiming that the NZ economy is no good at the moment and that they hoped for better ratings from the NRL. They recently extended the contract by one year for 14 million ? was that right? They could definitely get 20 m a year but I went with 15 million we will see who is closer I would not be suprised if you are right. I think the NRL will be happy with a total of 1.2 billion. They will be aiming for 1.3 billion we will see what happens. I went for about 100 million for the online rights because Testra values them a bit less then the AFL rights on subscriptions and they already sold the tablet and T-box rights of the 5 fox games.
Xman, why not compare NRL V AFL rights they are both competitions and it doesn't matter that one has TV appeal outside of OZ. If the NRL makes more money then the AFL in terms of broadcast rights, why does this matter? Even if they do you can still say that the AFL is bigger in terms of broadcast rights in OZ.

[piesman2011]

Sure, the NRL gets more money per minute.
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hmmm I see

a bit more ... or a lot more ?

Its irrelevant. As I asked you, would you rather more money and more coverage or less money and less coverage? Theyre the two important stats, not dollars per minute.

When the deals were first signed and announce almost every fan wanted to know how much for and how many games they could watch on TV. AFL fans were ecstatic, great money and great coverage. NRL fans were mostly devastated, great money but disgraceful TV coverage. How many people asked, but what are we paid per minute?

Theres your answer right there Dave.

The AFL took less money to show the AFL live on Friday nights, to show the AFL into the local teams home states on FTA TV and to give fans the oppotunity to see every game live on TV. Most NRL supporters dont really care about the money (same as AFL supporters), they just want to watch their teams live (in HD if possible). Unfortunately the NRL needed the money for the future of the game (good for the sport but not the best deal for the fans or for the exposure of the greatest game of all). The AFL negotiated a deal that gave the code less money but gave the game more exposure. This will help generate more support for the code in the long term.
As for more money per minute. Why does this matter. The AFL fans have more footy to watch. The AFL has lots of money and they players all 843 of them will have an average salary of 350K by 2016.

[Raiderdave]

Sure, the NRL gets more money per minute.
:

hmmm I see

a bit more ... or a lot more ?

Its irrelevant. As I asked you, would you rather more money and more coverage or less money and less coverage? Theyre the two important stats, not dollars per minute.

When the deals were first signed and announce almost every fan wanted to know how much for and how many games they could watch on TV. AFL fans were ecstatic, great money and great coverage. NRL fans were mostly devastated, great money but disgraceful TV coverage. How many people asked, but what are we paid per minute?

Theres your answer right there Dave.

its not irrelevant ....
we got just about the same coverage .... for more then double the money
all these theories as to why we couldn't get the same money as the VFL .... have all been proven to be nothing but utter cr@p

flogballers said
oh you can't ..... our games go for longer
oh you can't .... you're not national
oh you can't ..... its only the metros that matter
oh you can't .... ch 9 can't afford it
oh you can't .... foxtel doesn't rate RL
oh you can't ..... 10 & 7 aren't interested so you'll have to take what yr given
we couldn't get 1.25 Billion we were told by vicky kicky knobs ... under ANY circumstances

hmmmm ..... well whadda ya know
we'll end up with more then that when its all done
& as for your codes so called .. choosing coverage over dollars
the ARLC bought out its First & last Rights that were in place until 2027 & insiders have indicated if they didn't they would have got 1.5 Billion all up
for this deal matching any hypothetical make believe amount the VFL & its deluded fans think they may have got if they'd cashed dollars only
better coverage means nothing when yr peddling cr@p ... like the VFL is.. as no one will watch it eventually anyway


our next deal with leave the VFL's in its dust
while our code will continue to put a top class ... quality comp on TV because we haven't diluted the talent pool to an extent that the entire comp is a dud .. where our 16 clubs are competing in most games shown
where we have the numb 1 sporting series in the Land in SOO that surpasses itself year after year for interest .. plus the rest of our rep program
where we have unshackeld ourselves from a prohibitive first & rights clause
where our starting price will be 1.3Billion dollars ... we will land a deal that will scatter every other sport in the land

meanwhile
the VFL will continue to slide ... lacking quality due to too many teams not being up to it .. so interest will continue to wane as it has over the last 2 years to levels not seen since the mid 80's .. just a whole lot of average
by 2016... it will be a tainted ... 2nd rate comp that broadcasters will see is in decline & will pay a price accordingly

& thats the end of that
war over
we win

[Xman]

two can play at that game. All the talk on LU was you were getting equal coverage as the AFL, expansion teams in Perth and Brisbane, and all for 1.4b.

What happened?

What happened to winning the cummulative ratings last year?

What happened to increasing the advertising in each game for equal value?

What happened to the far higher price of advertising in NSW and QLD?

All we hear from you Dave is what is coming. "next tv rights we'll have all games on FTA and foxtel". "Next TV rights we'll have a team in Perth". Now "next TV rights we'll earn heaps more than the AFL......"

Dream on Dave. Get back to the present for once.

[Raiderdave]

two can play at that game. All the talk on LU was you were getting equal coverage as the AFL, expansion teams in Perth and Brisbane, and all for 1.4b.

What happened?

What happened to winning the cummulative ratings last year?

What happened to increasing the advertising in each game for equal value?

What happened to the far higher price of advertising in NSW and QLD?

All we hear from you Dave is what is coming. "next tv rights we'll have all games on FTA and foxtel". "Next TV rights we'll have a team in Perth". Now "next TV rights we'll earn heaps more than the AFL......"

Dream on Dave. Get back to the present for once.

you can't play our game
we don't have a diluted .. compromised ... uneven ... no depth of quality.. too many sh.it teams comp ..... do we ?
if you don't think in the short term the harm that will be done by expanding before your game was ready to will be near unfixable
then you are more deluded then even I thought & beyond help
you think a massive drop in crowds & interest across the board this year was bad for AFL .... you aint seen nothing yet
by the time the ship is righted ... it will have long sailed for yr silly little game in NSW & QLD

we didn't need to expand to get the same $$ as you lot or change our game to fit in more adds or anything like that
we may not have improved our coverage .. but it hasn't got any worse either .. & we got more then double the money we were getting & rid ourselves of the F&L clause ... far more important then a nice picture on TV & a few extra games live
we weren't beatable even before this deal .. even with your superior $$ you failed to over whelm us
now we can fight fire with fire
we won't look back
we won't squander our wealth on unworkable projects
we won't pi.ss it up against the wall inflating our ego's by trying to take you lot on in your heartland where we can't win
no
we'll know where to fight ... how to fight ... who to fight ... because now we can fight
yep
your Victorian trash sport just got the worst news its ever heard when our deal was announced
enjoy

[Xman]

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

[Raiderdave]

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

the VFL has only one of those things ... oh .. & all its games live

your 30% rise in ratings ( i'd doubt its that high ... a mere 20,000 extra pay subscribers in the sthn states is the only figure worth noting )
will dwindle away over the next few years as it becomes apparent the VFL is a 2nd rate comp
you serve up cr@p too often
the punters will swith off ... as they are already at the turnstiles ... 22 more games ... 260,000 less spectators is disastrous
& it will get worse yet
TV exces will look at this cluster F of a comp in 2016 & quite rightly ask .... why would I pay a lot for this


the NRL ... with the toyota cup spawning talent at an unbeliveable rate ..will just increase in quality
with Origin seemingly unstoppable for interest

Tv exces will look at this quality sport & its quality premier comp & quite rightly ask ... how much do you want ?

[Xman]

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

[Xman]

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
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John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z24b5g4JJO

Mostly negative comments about the NRLs tv rights Dave, and not from AFL fans, theyre from NRL fans.

[Raiderdave]

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
... in duplicate
Advertisement
John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z24b5g4JJO

Mostly negative comments about the NRLs tv rights Dave, and not from AFL fans, theyre from NRL fans.

mostly negative the day after F wit

2 weeks later theres the realisation by most except ignorant know nothings... that the job has been done
we got exactly wot our game needed at this point in time

&

you know it too
we were a pesky little sod with no cash in our pocket for the previous 5 years
look the F out .. now we've got more dough then we know what to do with ....

[Raiderdave]

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

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This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

growth VFL style .... 766K fans in NSW & QLD in 2012... ( take out the fudging for ants & thuns it was about 700K) for 44 games at an average of 17,000

in 2006.... it was 692K for 22 games ... a net gain of just 74K for 22 games .. or ..3300 a game .. at a cost of about 220 million dollars ... & a far greater cost ... the integrity of the entire comp lost.. because 2 teams are barely any better then a u18's state side & will be for the forseeable future

so theres a chance the 2006 figure of 692K for 22 games ... will be bigger then the 2013 figure for 44 games
is this growth is it ?

no .. its a friggin debacle
good luck trying to peddle this cr@p to TV exces in 4 years

[Xman]

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

Code: Select all

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

growth VFL style .... 766K fans in NSW & QLD in 2012... ( take out the fudging for ants & thuns it was about 700K) for 44 games at an average of 17,000

in 2006.... it was 692K for 22 games ... a net gain of just 74K for 22 games .. or ..3300 a game .. at a cost of about 220 million dollars ... & a far greater cost ... the integrity of the entire comp lost.. because 2 teams are barely any better then a u18's state side & will be for the forseeable future

so theres a chance the 2006 figure of 692K for 22 games ... will be bigger then the 2013 figure for 44 games
is this growth is it ?

no .. its a friggin debacle
good luck trying to peddle this cr@p to TV exces in 4 years

yeah, aint it interesting. despite 3 of the teams being in the bottom 4 we still saw 750k turn out to AFL games in NSW/ACT and QLD. Thats about 30% of your entire attendance total.

Meanwhile the NRL in AFL states is about 150k, or 5% of our total.

[Xman]

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
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John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

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Mostly negative comments about the NRLs tv rights Dave, and not from AFL fans, theyre from NRL fans.

mostly negative the day after F wit

2 weeks later theres the realisation by most except ignorant know nothings... that the job has been done
we got exactly wot our game needed at this point in time

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you know it too
we were a pesky little sod with no cash in our pocket for the previous 5 years
look the F out .. now we've got more dough then we know what to do with ....

We heard nothing but applause after our TV rights. We heard nothing but dismay and excuses after the NRL's. I wonder who got the better deal?

[Raiderdave]

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

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This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

growth VFL style .... 766K fans in NSW & QLD in 2012... ( take out the fudging for ants & thuns it was about 700K) for 44 games at an average of 17,000

in 2006.... it was 692K for 22 games ... a net gain of just 74K for 22 games .. or ..3300 a game .. at a cost of about 220 million dollars ... & a far greater cost ... the integrity of the entire comp lost.. because 2 teams are barely any better then a u18's state side & will be for the forseeable future

so theres a chance the 2006 figure of 692K for 22 games ... will be bigger then the 2013 figure for 44 games
is this growth is it ?

no .. its a friggin debacle
good luck trying to peddle this cr@p to TV exces in 4 years

yeah, aint it interesting. despite 3 of the teams being in the bottom 4 we still saw 750k turn out to AFL games in NSW/ACT and QLD. Thats about 30% of your entire attendance total.

Meanwhile the NRL in AFL states is about 150k, or 5% of our total.

wow

a typical flogball fan

too stupid to see the writing on the wall
a brain washed baaaing sheep .................

is there a dumber bunch of fans on the face of the earth

[Xman]

Here , i'll dumb it down for you Dave. 750k is more than 150k and 30% is more than 5%.

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