The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

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Should natural violence be accepted in AFL and NRL

Yes, there's nothing better than players going toe to toe in the heat of battle
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No, I prefer they wouldn't hit each other at all
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And you are part of the problem with the world today.

Nuff said.
This problem is evident in all codes.
Families clash at trial of AFL star

POLICE were last night on the lookout for trouble in Alice Springs and in the remote community of Yuendumu after a court heard that Melbourne Demons AFL star Liam Jurrah twice led armed attacks on an "enemy" family during a night of violence in March.

The rival groups clashed outside Alice Springs Magistrates Court yesterday, hurling insults at one another in Warlpiri and forcing officers to intervene to calm the situation.

Earlier, the court heard that the Demons' leading goalkicker of last year used a machete to inflict "skull-deep" wounds on Basil Jurrah, his cousin, at Little Sisters town camp near Alice Springs. Another man, Christopher Walker, "pounded" on Basil's leg and head.

The violence in March erupted after Mr Walker allegedly shouted provocations over a death in 2010 at a nearby Warlpiri camp, according to opening statements by prosecutor Steve Robson.

Mr Robson told magistrate David Bamber that Mr Walker had approached a property known as "House 1" in Little Sisters camp, where members of a rival group were gathered.
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"He shouted to the group words to the effect of 'I'm here now, anybody want to fight me?' and 'Come and get me, I'm one of the murderers' and 'I'm going to get my family and come back'," he said.

"Later, a group returned . . . Jurrah and Walker were at the front of the approaching group (that) had formed the common intent to assault the group around the fire."

Mr Robson said Mr Jurrah had struck a man on the head with a weapon, and was involved in three other assaults, including one on a woman that caused "lacerations and bleeding".

Mr Jurrah, Mr Walker and Josiah Fry are each charged with four counts of aggravated assault, one count of unlawfully causing serious harm, and another of being armed with an offensive weapon at night.

The court heard that about 20 people launched a "stealth attack" on their "enemies" by walking across a creek in the dark, while others approached House 1 from the opposite side in a vehicle.

Witness Alan Collins said the weapons used had included nulla-nullas and axes; Esau Marshall said he had also seen rocks and knives.

Mr Collins and Mr Marshall said they and others had been drinking when the fighting broke out. They testified that they themselves had not been "full-drunk", although they said others were.

The committal hearing, set to last three days, will determine whether the matter should go to trial at the NT Supreme Court in Darwin.
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eelofwest wrote:
TLPG wrote:
And you are part of the problem with the world today.

Nuff said.
This problem is evident in all codes.
Families clash at trial of AFL star

POLICE were last night on the lookout for trouble in Alice Springs and in the remote community of Yuendumu after a court heard that Melbourne Demons AFL star Liam Jurrah twice led armed attacks on an "enemy" family during a night of violence in March.

The rival groups clashed outside Alice Springs Magistrates Court yesterday, hurling insults at one another in Warlpiri and forcing officers to intervene to calm the situation.

Earlier, the court heard that the Demons' leading goalkicker of last year used a machete to inflict "skull-deep" wounds on Basil Jurrah, his cousin, at Little Sisters town camp near Alice Springs. Another man, Christopher Walker, "pounded" on Basil's leg and head.

The violence in March erupted after Mr Walker allegedly shouted provocations over a death in 2010 at a nearby Warlpiri camp, according to opening statements by prosecutor Steve Robson.

Mr Robson told magistrate David Bamber that Mr Walker had approached a property known as "House 1" in Little Sisters camp, where members of a rival group were gathered.
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"He shouted to the group words to the effect of 'I'm here now, anybody want to fight me?' and 'Come and get me, I'm one of the murderers' and 'I'm going to get my family and come back'," he said.

"Later, a group returned . . . Jurrah and Walker were at the front of the approaching group (that) had formed the common intent to assault the group around the fire."

Mr Robson said Mr Jurrah had struck a man on the head with a weapon, and was involved in three other assaults, including one on a woman that caused "lacerations and bleeding".

Mr Jurrah, Mr Walker and Josiah Fry are each charged with four counts of aggravated assault, one count of unlawfully causing serious harm, and another of being armed with an offensive weapon at night.

The court heard that about 20 people launched a "stealth attack" on their "enemies" by walking across a creek in the dark, while others approached House 1 from the opposite side in a vehicle.

Witness Alan Collins said the weapons used had included nulla-nullas and axes; Esau Marshall said he had also seen rocks and knives.

Mr Collins and Mr Marshall said they and others had been drinking when the fighting broke out. They testified that they themselves had not been "full-drunk", although they said others were.

The committal hearing, set to last three days, will determine whether the matter should go to trial at the NT Supreme Court in Darwin.
This is an indigenous cultural issue far more than an issue about sports stars behaviour.
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I'd argue its an Australian cultural issue more than an 'Indigenous' issue Xman.

All the same this thread is about violence within sport. the NRL understands its inevitable. The AFL dont. 4 weeks pfffft. Stop the mollycoddling in the AFL and let the players have their say!
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King-Eliagh wrote:
Ok TLPG another hypothetical for you.

A close family member is being severely physically abused. Do you

a) step back and reach into your pocket for your mobile phone to call the police who will more than likely take 20-30mins to arrive on the scene.

or

b) step in and impose yourself physically and violently to help
A.

Because B will land me in jail.
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King-Eliagh wrote:
I'd argue its an Australian cultural issue more than an 'Indigenous' issue Xman.

All the same this thread is about violence within sport. the NRL understands its inevitable. The AFL dont. 4 weeks pfffft. Stop the mollycoddling in the AFL and let the players have their say!
The AFL have addressed t long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness which are also dealt with harshly in order to teach players duty of care.
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TLPG wrote:
King-Eliagh wrote:
Ok TLPG another hypothetical for you.

A close family member is being severely physically abused. Do you

a) step back and reach into your pocket for your mobile phone to call the police who will more than likely take 20-30mins to arrive on the scene.

or

b) step in and impose yourself physically and violently to help
A.

Because B will land me in jail.
TLPG, I'm shocked! I and most other human beings on this planet would take option b. In fact I'm sure there's a law about stopping bystanders/witnesses to crimes from not stepping in to discourage the act.

I certainly hope you're doing what you often appear to do here i.e. providing false information to support your cause in this argument?
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Xman wrote:
King-Eliagh wrote:
I'd argue its an Australian cultural issue more than an 'Indigenous' issue Xman.

All the same this thread is about violence within sport. the NRL understands its inevitable. The AFL dont. 4 weeks pfffft. Stop the mollycoddling in the AFL and let the players have their say!
The AFL have addressed t long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness which are also dealt with harshly in order to teach players duty of care.
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you're joking right?

Good one! :lol:
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King-Eliagh wrote:
TLPG wrote:
King-Eliagh wrote:
Ok TLPG another hypothetical for you.

A close family member is being severely physically abused. Do you

a) step back and reach into your pocket for your mobile phone to call the police who will more than likely take 20-30mins to arrive on the scene.

or

b) step in and impose yourself physically and violently to help
A.

Because B will land me in jail.
TLPG, I'm shocked! I and most other human beings on this planet would take option b. In fact I'm sure there's a law about stopping bystanders/witnesses to crimes from not stepping in to discourage the act.

I certainly hope you're doing what you often appear to do here i.e. providing false information to support your cause in this argument?
Taking option B is the act of a person who does not know how to control their actions. I control my actions. I happen to fear jail, and so should everyone else with a brain. You obviously don't, and if you are brought to court for taking option A - I'll be in there as a character witness to show that you are a violent person. You'll get locked up as you deserve to be.

Option B provides the maximum chance for a jail term for the perpetrator - in fact I'll call it a guarantee. It ceases to be a guarantee when a vigilante roars in.

I'll give you an example from my umpiring experience. A fellow from Team S got a free kick. He started to remonstrate with the player from Team R who gave the free kick away (I can't remember what it was for exactly). I told him to knock it off, and it looked for a second that he wasn't going to listen and I was preparing to reverse it when the vigilante arrived - another player from Team R shoving the Team S player to the ground. I was quick with the 50 metre penalty for that, and Team S got a goal from it. And it started a rally that ended up winning Team S the game and it was Team R's first loss for the season.

See why being a vigilante is a BAD thing??
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I cant believe you'd stand back and calmly watch a family member being seriously abused. Now tell the truth TLPG. You'd step in and by all means possible save your family member from serious physical harm or death. And you'd do this because you know full well that the time it takes to seriously injure someon would be quicker than the time it would take for you to stand back find your phone, dial 000, explain to them whats happening, and then wait for the help to arrive.

Tell the truth now TLPG.
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King-Eliagh wrote:
Xman wrote:
King-Eliagh wrote:
I'd argue its an Australian cultural issue more than an 'Indigenous' issue Xman.

All the same this thread is about violence within sport. the NRL understands its inevitable. The AFL dont. 4 weeks pfffft. Stop the mollycoddling in the AFL and let the players have their say!
The AFL have addressed t long ago and all but eradicated deliberate crude acts of violence. All that's really left are acts of carelessness which are also dealt with harshly in order to teach players duty of care.
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you're joking right?

Good one! :lol:
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http://www.AFL.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

There's about five in there, rough and intentional acts of violence including Judd's intentional dislocation of a players shoulder. And that's just from round 16. Don't you look the buffoon Xman :lol:

And please do feel free to comeback with your usual subjective contortion of the facts i.e. "they should not be considered crude acts of violence"

Fact is they're violent, intentional and I'd say the fact the AFL banned these players for a number of weeks means they should be considered as 'crude' also.

Crude: 2. Lacking tact or taste; blunt or offensive:

Yes Xman believe all you like that the AFL has all but eradicated crude acts of violence but please do so with the knowledge you will be viewed as 'the talking footy buffoon'. :lol:
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King-Eliagh wrote:
I cant believe you'd stand back and calmly watch a family member being seriously abused. Now tell the truth TLPG. You'd step in and by all means possible save your family member from serious physical harm or death. And you'd do this because you know full well that the time it takes to seriously injure someon would be quicker than the time it would take for you to stand back find your phone, dial 000, explain to them whats happening, and then wait for the help to arrive.

Tell the truth now TLPG.
I wouldn't be calm, but I would NOT engage in any violent conduct to stop it. That is a job for the police - and no one else. THAT is the truth. And a quick point. The perpetrator would try to stop me right? You think about that!
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No that's not good enough TLPG. Standing back and watching someone get mutilated is not acceptable behaviour in any society and our law would put you behind bars for not acting to save someone.

I still cant believe the lies you will make to save face. [-X
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King-Eliagh wrote:
http://www.AFL.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

There's about five in there, rough and intentional acts of violence including Judd's intentional dislocation of a players shoulder. And that's just from round 16. Don't you look the buffoon Xman :lol:

And please do feel free to comeback with your usual subjective contortion of the facts i.e. "they should not be considered crude acts of violence"

Fact is they're violent, intentional and I'd say the fact the AFL banned these players for a number of weeks means they should be considered as 'crude' also.

Crude: 2. Lacking tact or taste; blunt or offensive:

Yes Xman believe all you like that the AFL has all but eradicated crude acts of violence but please do so with the knowledge you will be viewed as 'the talking footy buffoon'. :lol:
They are minor incidents compared to deliberately punching someone. The majority are bumps which is still a grey area in our game. It's fine if it doesn't contact the head, but punished if it does. Sometimes this is out of the players control or the circumstances change in an instant making a legal bump illegal. Judd's act was silly but he got punished. How many punches in the NRl are just ignored? [-X
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But nothing compares with being charged with murder...right nrl?
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