Options for a lopsided comp

[TLPG]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/basket_case

No AFL club fits this description.

Needed to be said.

[piesman2011]

I'm more than aware the finals race is hot in the AFL comp. I've been enjoying it but this doesnt mean the comp is not lopsided to billio. And it aint just the suns and giants who are waaaaayy off the pace. There's 5 or six sides with no hope whatsoever. Comon pies. If you know the game you know melb port and for the most part the lions are complete basketcases completely incapable of matching it with the top 6.

note: lopsidedness is the noun of lopsided.

This is in response to what you have written so I understand it is drifting off the main topic, but I dont really care. Melbourne have been poor this year, I put it down to a combanation of different factors, because most teams with a young potentially good list such as Melbourne usually improve from the previous year. They had 8 wins last year and were looking to get 10-12 this year. The Death of their president, new inexperienced captains causing issues with the more experienced players and issues with the coach have really caused a lot of problems. Brisbane lions have shown glimpses of form and have some of the best young talent in the comp. Port are also extremely young and have some good potential. All of these teams are capable of beating some top sides when their game in on. They are definately not basket cases (whatever that means), however they may continue to struggle on the field due to the compromised draft over the next couple of years. Yes they cant win the premiership this year but as other teams have shown they could be a chance for next year. They will recieve some of the best young talent next year. Most of the teams that are struggling will only be doing so for the short term (2-3 years). This has been shown over the last couple of years by teams such as Adelaide (finished 14th last year) and WestCoast (finished 16th in 2010) that have come from no where to be premiership contenders. The AFL does not have zones like the NRL have if a team is struggling for a few years they are able to get some of the best talent in the country to get them back into premiership contension.


If you take a long term view of things you will find that the AFL has been overall less lobsided in terms of teams winning the premiership. If you compare the teams which have won premierships over the last 10 years and the last 20 years. You will find the following:

AFL last 10 years: 7 different winners
NRL last 10 years: 8 different winners (7 if you dont include melbourne)
AFL last 20 years 12 different winners
NRL last 20 years: 10 different winners (despite having at some stages 20 teams in the comp, perhaps someone can figure out how many teams there have been about 27?? in the NRL (not super league) during this time period)
This has been because of the draft making the overall competition more even then the zone system.

I would suggest we all creat a list to make the NRL competition more even so that some different teams can win the competition.

[eelofwest]

I'm more than aware the finals race is hot in the AFL comp. I've been enjoying it but this doesnt mean the comp is not lopsided to billio. And it aint just the suns and giants who are waaaaayy off the pace. There's 5 or six sides with no hope whatsoever. Comon pies. If you know the game you know melb port and for the most part the lions are complete basketcases completely incapable of matching it with the top 6.

note: lopsidedness is the noun of lopsided.

This is in response to what you have written so I understand it is drifting off the main topic, but I dont really care. Melbourne have been poor this year, I put it down to a combanation of different factors, because most teams with a young potentially good list such as Melbourne usually improve from the previous year. They had 8 wins last year and were looking to get 10-12 this year. The Death of their president, new inexperienced captains causing issues with the more experienced players and issues with the coach have really caused a lot of problems. Brisbane lions have shown glimpses of form and have some of the best young talent in the comp. Port are also extremely young and have some good potential. All of these teams are capable of beating some top sides when their game in on. They are definately not basket cases (whatever that means), however they may continue to struggle on the field due to the compromised draft over the next couple of years. Yes they cant win the premiership this year but as other teams have shown they could be a chance for next year. They will recieve some of the best young talent next year. Most of the teams that are struggling will only be doing so for the short term (2-3 years). This has been shown over the last couple of years by teams such as Adelaide (finished 14th last year) and WestCoast (finished 16th in 2010) that have come from no where to be premiership contenders. The AFL does not have zones like the NRL have if a team is struggling for a few years they are able to get some of the best talent in the country to get them back into premiership contension.


If you take a long term view of things you will find that the AFL has been overall less lobsided in terms of teams winning the premiership. If you compare the teams which have won premierships over the last 10 years and the last 20 years. You will find the following:

AFL last 10 years: 7 different winners
NRL last 10 years: 8 different winners (7 if you dont include melbourne)
AFL last 20 years 12 different winners
NRL last 20 years: 10 different winners (despite having at some stages 20 teams in the comp, perhaps someone can figure out how many teams there have been about 27?? in the NRL (not super league) during this time period)
This has been because of the draft making the overall competition more even then the zone system.

I would suggest we all creat a list to make the NRL competition more even so that some different teams can win the competition.

Pies your desperation to prove a point is hilarious.
This has nothing to do with the thread and does not prove that the AFL has a competitive comp in 2012.

[King-Eliagh]

Yes we're talking about this season pies. Seriously its not hard to see it. The comp is lopsided to billio this season. Yes it may improve next season but the fact is this season its the most lopsided professional comp i've ever viewed... club level marngrook in the sydney AFL is in a similar state of affairs but thats club level and you gotta expect that.

And TLPG thanks for looking up the term basketcase mate. Really interesting origin of that word. Metaphorically speaking though I'd have to argue against your suggestion that no team is a basketcase and that its the wrong term to be using. Do you have any idea what it feels like getting belted by 10 goals plus each week? I dont but I know how it feels two weeks in a row. Bloody horrible, it feels as though you may as well be out there without arms or legs. And I'm sure the fans of melbourne are feeling the same, as I am with my beloved eels...the basketcases of the NRL

Agree with me TLPG, you know I'm right

[eelofwest]

Yes we're talking about this season pies. Seriously its not hard to see it. The comp is lopsided to billio this season. Yes it may improve next season but the fact is this season its the most lopsided professional comp i've ever viewed... club level marngrook in the sydney AFL is in a similar state of affairs but thats club level and you gotta expect that.

And TLPG thanks for looking up the term basketcase mate. Really interesting origin of that word. Metaphorically speaking though I'd have to argue against your suggestion that no team is a basketcase and that its the wrong term to be using. Do you have any idea what it feels like getting belted by 10 goals plus each week? I dont but I know how it feels two weeks in a row. Bloody horrible, it feels as though you may as well be out there without arms or legs. And I'm sure the fans of melbourne are feeling the same, as I am with my beloved eels...the basketcases of the NRL

Agree with me TLPG, you know I'm right

No no King parra are not at basketcase level yet, maybe in future but now that Kearney is leaving and the word is that Ricky is going to take the rains.

If Ricky can do to Parra what he has done with the NSW SOO team then i think that we will never reach basketcase status...

What teams have Basketcase Status for all sports in AUS?

1. GWS
2. SUNS
3. DEMONS

Feel free to add teams that you think can join this prestigious club King. :D

Even the A League has a more even competition.

ALeague table 2011

1 Brisbane Roar 30 18 11 1 58 26 +32 65 2012 AFC Champions League Group stage
2 Central Coast Mariners 30 16 9 5 50 31 +19 57 2012 AFC Champions League Group stage
3 Adelaide United 30 15 5 10 51 36 +15 50 2012 AFC Champions League Qualifying play-off
4 Gold Coast United 30 12 10 8 40 32 +8 46 2011 A-League Finals Series
5 Melbourne Victory 30 11 10 9 45 39 +6 43
6 Wellington Phoenix 30 12 5 13 39 41 −2 41
7 Newcastle Jets 30 9 8 13 29 33 −4 35
8 Melbourne Heart 30 8 11 11 32 42 −10 35
9 Sydney FC 30 8 10 12 35 40 −5 34
10 Perth Glory 30 5 8 17 27 54 −27 23
11 North Queensland Fury 30 4 7 19 28 60 −32 19

The super 15 rugby Comp is more even also....

Overall Super Rugby table and standings
Conference leaders.

Team

1. Stormers 16 14 2 0 2 350 254 96 2 66
2. Chiefs 16 12 4 0 2 444 358 86 8 64
3. Reds 16 11 5 0 2 359 347 12 6 58
4. Crusaders 16 11 5 0 2 485 343 142 9 61
5 Bulls 16 10 6 0 2 472 369 103 11 59
6. Sharks 16 10 6 0 2 436 348 88 11 59
7. Brumbies 16 10 6 0 2 404 331 73 10 58
8. Hurricanes 16 10 6 0 2 489 429 60 9 57
9. Highlander 16 9 7 0 2 359 385 -26 6 50
10. Cheetahs 16 5 11 0 2 391 458 -67 10 38
11 Waratahs 16 4 12 0 2 346 407 -61 11 35
12. Blues 16 4 12 0 2 359 430 -71 8 32
13 Rebels 16 4 12 0 2 362 520 -158 7 32
14. W.Force 16 3 13 0 2 306 440 -134 7 27 These 2 teams are on Parramatta Eels level but certainly not basketcases.
15. Lions 16 3 13 0 2 317 460 -143 5 25

[TLPG]

No, you're wrong. In any sport, if you're a basket case - you're done! Folded in the case of a sporting club!

But then you wouldn't know about that, would you?

When one starts a brand new club at elite level, one has to expect teething problems (unless there's an excess amount of money around the place as there was with the Storm). And some other clubs go through a transistion process as a penalty for keeping old players too long (Brisbane and the Bulldogs), while others have off field issues that reflect on the field (Melbourne and Port Adelaide). Port will get back on track once Football Park is sold because that will bring in heaps of money that will be shared with the Power, the Crows and the SANFL. It will turn around for the Lions and the Bulldogs. The D's might be in for a few lean years and may be the worst off - but they've been through that before and they've bounced back.

Education over.

PS - Eel don't even THINK about comparing the A-League to either the NRL or the AFL! Because of such low scoring and the number of draws it's impossible for a ladder to look lopsided!

[piesman2011]

So lets discuss what this thread is all about. Yes I understand the whole thread is a bit of a troll, which is fine I often enjoy pretending to take a troll seriously and I enjoy twisting it around to make the troll look funny. So far I have shown that:

*this year the AFL has been a closer competition in terms of finals contenders then the NRL
*Over the last 20 years the AFL competition has produced more premiership clubs then the NRL

However this is not what this thread is about and i am not addressing the issues presented

So lets look at the issue

Hi Folks,

I seriously cant recall any professional sporting competition which I've known of or viewed that is as lopsided as the AFL competition is now. Its a real shambles at the moment with 4 teams that are utter basketcases and cannot compete with the rest of the teams

Yep 4 teams are baket cases. I not sure which teams he is talking about, he must have put a lot of thought into this post. Lets say the bottom two teams of GC and GWS. Yep basket cases because they have the best first and second year talent, which is not going to improve in any way and can only get worse (sic). Maybe he is talking about some of the teams who have lost money im not sure it hasent been clarified.

3 or 4 teams competing at a professional level and the rest of the sides are simply making up numbers in the middle of the comp.

Its nice to have an educated (sic) opinion on a competition. Yeah the AFL is struggling only 3-4 teams competing on a professional level. I really am not sure at this stage who King is talking about. The top 4 teams keep changing. This week it is Sydney, Adelaide, Collingwood and Hawthorn. However Essendon have been on top of the ladder and may be so again within a couple of weeks, West Coast were on top of the ladder last week but with one loss (to current top placed Sydney) are now 5th with 1% percentage wise in front of 6th place. So with 1 loss any team will go from 1st of 5th or 6th. So for sure only 3-4 teams have a chance.

Its utterly clear this is the way the comp will progress for the rest of the season which is why I'd like people to please put in your ideas for resolving this sad state of affairs. Currently there clearly isnt enough talent to have as many sides as they do in the comp so:

The old not enough talent line. In a draft the talent is fairly evenly spread, so with even spread of talent all teams will be competative. Not every year, they will get injuries that effect team performance and it takes time to develop talent but it will happen. Look at all of the teams that are won the premiership over the last 20 years clearly the AFL knows how to make a competition that produces lots of different winners.

Could the head honchos down at AFL HQ cull some teams to improve the competition?

Sounds like a plan it clearly worked for the NRL. Hunter Mariners, Gold Coast seaguls, GoldCoast crushers, Perth Reds and Adelaide Rams all show that this is the solution to any competitions problems.

Could there perhaps be a setup like the English premier league with the lowest 4 teams dropping down into 1st division and the following year the winners of first division could rise into the premier comp in the place of the last team?

That would work (sic)

Should the AFL stop wasting their money on gold diggers like Khunt and instead put it into junior talent programs to build the talent pool?

Currently AFL spends 25% of its revenue on Player salary and inject huge amounts of money into grassroots, compared to NRL 60% player salary and almost 0% grassroots.

Should the AFL change its name to the southern football league and get rid of melbourne, gold coast, gws and brisbane?

Okay.....

These are just some thoughts you might agree with but please feel free to add your own folks and once we've reached saturation in this thread i'll compile the options and send them on down to AFL HQ.

Its all a nice troll and I know your not serious, but I have shown that this thread should really be directed towards the NRL competition. Perhaps the NRL should reduce player payment to about 25% of total revenue (average salary of say 75k) so they can invest in grassroots this would in the end make the competition much more viable in the future.

[King-Eliagh]

Tidy work there pies but you really have not addressed the key concept of this whole thread. Lopsidedness... which you earlier professed to not even knowing whether this is in fact a word.

So I'll let you off on count of your ignorance to the English language.

Now what i have not heard from one AFL fan is "yes the AFL comp is extremely lopsided this year". This is simply fact and the fact you drongos have not been able to acknowledge it tells much.

I agree that the AFL will probably sort it out but seriously, right now there's lots of games each week that are not worth watching. The games at the top of the ladder are great but the rest...meh. It will be interesting to see how things are five years down the track. You mob think all will be dandy and fine but I think it will be a long and punishing haul for the AFL with it's basketcase teams.

[eelofwest]

Tidy work there pies but you really have not addressed the key concept of this whole thread. Lopsidedness... which you earlier professed to not even knowing whether this is in fact a word.

So I'll let you off on count of your ignorance to the English language.

Now what i have not heard from one AFL fan is "yes the AFL comp is extremely lopsided this year". This is simply fact and the fact you drongos have not been able to acknowledge it tells much.

I agree that the AFL will probably sort it out but seriously, right now there's lots of games each week that are not worth watching. The games at the top of the ladder are great but the rest...meh. It will be interesting to see how things are five years down the track. You mob think all will be dandy and fine but I think it will be a long and punishing haul for the AFL with it's basketcase teams.

AFL Blowouts 2012

Round 1
GWS 37 - 100 SYD, GCS 68 - 137 ADE
Round 2
BRI 63 - 154 CAR, WCE 166 - 58 MEL, NM 183 - 54 GWS, STK 139 - 47 GCS
Round 3
CAR 122 - 62 COL, RIC 133 - 74 MEL ,WBD 40 - 103 STK, GWS 69 - 150 WCE, HAW 140 - 84 ADE
Round 4
BRI 111 - 46 GCS , GWS 62 - 104 WBD
Round 6
ESS 129 - 62 BRI CAR 110 - 43 GWS
Round 7
MEL 49 - 115 HAW, ADE 122 - 72 GEE, BRI 58 - 116 COL, ESS 113 - 52 WCE,
Round 8
HAW 119 - 63 FRE, SYD 138 - 37 MEL, WBD 72 - 34 GCS, CAR 55 - 124 ADE,
BRI 132 - 40 GWS
Round 9
RIC 137 - 75 HAW, GWS 53 - 119 ESS, CAR 107 - 49 MEL,
Round 10
GEE 126 - 61 GWS, HAW 174 - 59 NM, SYD 132 - 40 WBD, COL 149 - 52 GCS
Round 11 Byes for NM, Brisbane, GWS, WCE, WBD
GCS 49 - 144 STK
Round 12 Byes for Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne Demons, Dockers.
HAW 135 - 70 BRI,
Round 13 Byes for Richmond, Hawthorn, Port Ade, St Kilda, Gold Coast Suns, Carlton.
WBD 56 - 114 BRI, MEL 135 - 57 GWS
Round 14
WCE 166 - 40 GCS, SYD 132 - 38 GWS, ESS 140 - 56 WBD, BRI 122 - 61 MEL
Round 15
SYD 110 - 63 BRI, STK 133 - 62 ESS, POR 58 - 116 ADE, HAW 193 - 31 GWS
Round 16
GWS 59 - 178 ADE, WBD 44 - 116 HAW

You will notice that its the same teams every week getting blown of the Park....

[King-Eliagh]

Yes good point there eels. I was thinking we hadnt shown that proof yet. Numerous 10 -20 goal blow outs each and every weekend is not a good look.

Reality folks, lets open our eyes and see it.

The AFL is the most lopsided professional comp in Australia and potentially the world at the moment. I know it hurts to think and realise it but, that's what we're dealing with here

[piesman2011]

Tidy work there pies but you really have not addressed the key concept of this whole thread. Lopsidedness... which you earlier professed to not even knowing whether this is in fact a word.

So I'll let you off on count of your ignorance to the English language.

I have an english teacher sitting next to me at work. When I asked if Lopsidedness is a word they told me that it is a pretend word similar to guestimate. It could be used but in essence it is not in the dictionary. No one is perfect mate, but I now believe that you are misinformed. I will let you off on account of your ignorance of the English language (you must have been drinking when you wrote that line. You started it). I must admit I am not a good speller, however I would say that my understanding of the english language is good which is why I questioned that word (that I used myself, im not sure if you even used it).

[King-Eliagh]

Tell your english teacher to look it up in the dictionary and then apply for a new job

lop·sid·ed (lpsdd)
adj.
1. Heavier, larger, or higher on one side than on the other.
2. Sagging or leaning to one side.
3. Characterized by the domination of one competitor over another: a lopsided victory.
lopsided·ly adv.
lopsided·ness n

And tell your teacher and yourself to learn how to use a dictionary. Just toyin with ya here pies, you're by far and above the most intelligent of the AFL clan on this site.

The lopsidedness in the AFL comp is at an all time low. Now some may say this will be fine in a few years and maybe they're right but its deadset the worst its ever been imo and i think we need to be saying, yes, the comp is fairly out of whack at the moment, and questioning whether the AFL should be thinking of culling a few melbourne sides to even the distribution of players some more before they ever think of expanding like this again.

[piesman2011]

Damn you found lopsidedness on a online dictionary, I guess that means that it has to be a word. Looks like I was wrong about guesstimate as well look I found that to. Online dictionarys are about as accurate as wikipedia.

guesstimate, guestimate Informal
n [ˈgɛstɪmɪt]
an estimate calculated mainly or only by guesswork
vb [ˈgɛstɪˌmeɪt]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guesstimate
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... alidocious
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wassup


Other words I found include supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and Wassup. HaHa on line dictionary. I think I might go with the English teacher.

Im enjoying the banter btw. Back on topic. I agree that GC and GWS are not competative at the moment. Those two teams are getting destroyed most weeks. But you cant give them 15 of the top 30 draft picks and not expect them to improve. I will agree that those two sides do make the AFL competition lopsided. This wouldn't matter if every team got to play GWS and GC twice each but they dont. This will get better and wont be a problem in 2 years (my opinion). Unfortunately the AFL does not have overseas talent it can steal like RL and the way they set up this expansion will cause short term issues. However the supporters on GC and GWS will get to see a team of fresh faced youths go from struggling to probabaly dominating the competition, in the space of 5-8 years. With time a few more Melbourne teams may be culled. They are expected to achieve certain bench marks and if they dont they may be in trouble.

[King-Eliagh]

Nice work pies. You got me there...sortof. But as time progresses during this technological revolution we hsve recently entered I think you'll find that our language and the strict rules around it are becoming more fluid. On this argument I'm saying your english teacher needs to get with the times. Lopsidedness is a superb word and, as the youth of today would agree, any word online is an official word. I think lol recently got registered in the oxford dictionary. So lets stick with lopsidedness as legit.

Yes I say get rid of two melbourne sides to reduce this lopsidedness pronto. You must admit melbourne are an utter basketcase also. And the western bulldogs, port and brissie arent too far off.

I'd say the AFL needs to dump a few clubs within the next five years to resolve the issue effectively. Fresh faced youngsters at gws and the GC wont change the situation on their own in 5 years. How many 'talented' youngsters turn out to reach their and others ideal? Aaron Davey is one bloke who i had massive wraps on 5 years back. Still dont know what happened to him.

[piesman2011]

Tidy work there pies but you really have not addressed the key concept of this whole thread. Lopsidedness... which you earlier professed to not even knowing whether this is in fact a word.

So I'll let you off on count of your ignorance to the English language.

Now what i have not heard from one AFL fan is "yes the AFL comp is extremely lopsided this year". This is simply fact and the fact you drongos have not been able to acknowledge it tells much.

I agree that the AFL will probably sort it out but seriously, right now there's lots of games each week that are not worth watching. The games at the top of the ladder are great but the rest...meh. It will be interesting to see how things are five years down the track. You mob think all will be dandy and fine but I think it will be a long and punishing haul for the AFL with it's basketcase teams.

AFL Blowouts 2012

Round 1
GWS 37 - 100 SYD, GCS 68 - 137 ADE
Round 2
BRI 63 - 154 CAR, WCE 166 - 58 MEL, NM 183 - 54 GWS, STK 139 - 47 GCS
Round 3
CAR 122 - 62 COL, RIC 133 - 74 MEL ,WBD 40 - 103 STK, GWS 69 - 150 WCE, HAW 140 - 84 ADE
Round 4
BRI 111 - 46 GCS , GWS 62 - 104 WBD
Round 6
ESS 129 - 62 BRI CAR 110 - 43 GWS
Round 7
MEL 49 - 115 HAW, ADE 122 - 72 GEE, BRI 58 - 116 COL, ESS 113 - 52 WCE,
Round 8
HAW 119 - 63 FRE, SYD 138 - 37 MEL, WBD 72 - 34 GCS, CAR 55 - 124 ADE,
BRI 132 - 40 GWS
Round 9
RIC 137 - 75 HAW, GWS 53 - 119 ESS, CAR 107 - 49 MEL,
Round 10
GEE 126 - 61 GWS, HAW 174 - 59 NM, SYD 132 - 40 WBD, COL 149 - 52 GCS
Round 11 Byes for NM, Brisbane, GWS, WCE, WBD
GCS 49 - 144 STK
Round 12 Byes for Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne Demons, Dockers.
HAW 135 - 70 BRI,
Round 13 Byes for Richmond, Hawthorn, Port Ade, St Kilda, Gold Coast Suns, Carlton.
WBD 56 - 114 BRI, MEL 135 - 57 GWS
Round 14
WCE 166 - 40 GCS, SYD 132 - 38 GWS, ESS 140 - 56 WBD, BRI 122 - 61 MEL
Round 15
SYD 110 - 63 BRI, STK 133 - 62 ESS, POR 58 - 116 ADE, HAW 193 - 31 GWS
Round 16
GWS 59 - 178 ADE, WBD 44 - 116 HAW

You will notice that its the same teams every week getting blown of the Park....

I understand where you are comming for Eel and the point you make is a good one, however whos to say an AFL 120-40 flogging is any worse then a 36-12 NRL drumming. The percentage is the same. Good summaries by the way. Sorry I dont have time to address you excellent post in the manner it should have been. Maybe you should compare the percentage of teams like GWS and compare them with Parra or the Panthers.