Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[enarelle]

Austar and Optus both carry the Fox Sports package but only the Foxtel subscriber numbers are reported on this site. Foxtel has been given ACCC permission to purchase Austar but that has not happened as yet and they remain a separate entity.

[piesman2011]

Fox is not a synonym for PAY TV. IF ones wants to talk about PAY TV then one needs to include the AUstar and Optus Vision results. Both of these significantly lift the NRL results. NRL doesn't just win the PAY TV results it bolts in.

OF course one does not expect to see that on this site given NZ numbers are not allowed. Regional s are not allowed etc etc

Im not sure if Optus still has a PTV network, If it does it doesn't cover the NRL.I think both Fox & Austar are both counted, anyrate Fox has recently taken over Austar.

The AFL has the T box which has every game live. These rating numbers are not known I believe.

[pookus]

Heres your answer: collingwood have an annual revenue of 75m yet only make a profit of around 1-2 mil. Melbourne demons have an annual revenue of around 30m but make a profit. Why? Collingwood spend what they earn. They have the best facilities and support staff. Melbourne spend what they earn. They have a tighter budget and manage accordingly.
AFL clubs are non profit organizations. They spend what they earn and budget for it. If their years spending is over their revenue they post a loss. If they don't earn quite as much as they estimated they post a loss. It has nothing to do with viability. Example: Essendon posted a loss in 2010 despite making a yearly revenue of nearly 45m. Why? Because they terminated their coach and paid his contract out to the tune of a few million. This wasn't budgeted for and they made a loss. Are the bombers struggling financially? Hardly!

The recent financial figures released about AFL teams showed a number of teams in debt. Yet these were the wealthiest teams and related to serviceable devt for investment in facilities.

I can sure you a billion dollar industry like the AFL is secure. Meanwhile some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

That's a big difference.

So you cant answer the questions, thats fine you only have to say so and not bring on all this dribble about Collingwood and Essendon.
What are the operating costs of a AFL club was the question? do you have reading difficulties Xman?

They vary from club to club according to their wealth. Richer clubs spend more because they can. Leaner clubs spend less because they must. None are without sponsors or CEOs I can assure you. How about the NrL.

Alright kiddies some more facts Collingwood turns over 90 million a year not 75.AFL has more people watching than league however you want to puy it.Simple economics lesson it easier to cut costs than it is to raise revenue.Just ask the Greeks.But my favourite quote of the day is"Our revenue is down for a good reason. And now that were no longer controlod by News Limited we will soon pass you in this area."You poor delusional fool.News Ltd only took 10 million out of the game.By most indications NRL revenue is behind by about 150% how do you think you are going to make this up considering the TV networks already own your game so much so that they are not even showing 1st vs 2nd live into sydney this week .What a joke.The extra you will get from them will do very little to make up the shortfall.Maybe you will get people to pack your massive state of the art stadiums oh thats right you aint got any.Meanwhile as we speak billions are being spent on the Adelaide oval,scg and a new 80000 stadium in perth all for the AFL.Maybe you will expand because that has been so successful for the NRL in the past.(adelaide,perth both failed dismally).Or maybe PNG will come to your rescue lol
The reason the AFL is the biggest game in town is simple. The majority of our supporters are in the metropolitan areas.I bought this up before but was called a douche for being off thread.Here is the corralationThere is no doubt that both games have there supporters so why is the AFL so dominant when it comes to revenue.The TV ratings give us the answer.The metro viewership is much greater in the major cities these are the people the AFL have connected with.These people in close proximity have access to their footy clubs.So they have the capacity to go to games,training and events organised by the club of their choice.They are more connected so are much more willing to pay for that privilige.Your numbers in the bush are great but unfortunately that does very little for the health of a game based in 2 metropolitan areas.The gap will become more vast by the year until the NRL can build the infrastructure to compete in the place where the real battles are fought in our major cities.Just a little side note last year Gallop said the NRL had 20,000,000 in the bank.lol.The AFL take full ownership of etihad in around 10 years it is worth billions and something the NRL can only dream about.
So tomorrow night when I take my pretty uninterested arse to your games showpiece ask yourself why am I watching this in Melbourne why the people in the bush unless they are willing to travel vast distances will never see it.The answer is in the writings above.Big city.Big money.One other thing I wish to address is the belief that because the costs are higher in the AFL it is harder to survive.How many stand alone foundation clubs has league got left 2 lol.AFL has 10.Seems to me it has always been a struggle for NRL.

[Xman]

Exactly right pookus.

The average AFL club earns well over double the average NRL club because of far better gate receipts, memberships, and sponsorships. Because of this they enjoy far better facilities and employ far more support staff and professional assistance such as medical teams. It would be much easy for them to reduce costs if needed by eliminating some of these non-essential benefits than it would be for NRL teams to find more money. Hence we see the NRL struggling to provide decent stadia and some clubs struggling to supply even essential club management!

[pookus]

Exactly right pookus.

The average AFL club earns well over double the average NRL club because of far better gate receipts, memberships, and sponsorships. Because of this they enjoy far better facilities and employ far more support staff and professional assistance such as medical teams. It would be much easy for them to reduce costs if needed by eliminating some of these non-essential benefits than it would be for NRL teams to find more money. Hence we see the NRL struggling to provide decent stadia and some clubs struggling to supply even essential club management!

The other thing to address is how much money the NRL make through those evil life wreckers known as poker machines.The AFL has just offered all clubs assistance to remove them from our game altogether another thing the NRL could only dream about.Surely the days of these evil bits of chirping metal are numbered .It is only a matter of time before they are seriously regulated as they should be.Then lets see the clubs survive without the leagues clubs.Did you also notice King Andy was named the most influential man in Australian sport,with Dave Leckie right behind him.What have these men got to do with rugby league.Nothing.lol

[enarelle]

The restructure of the NRL has improved its cost structure by some $30m p.a. The new TV deal will deliver $100m+ per annum

Having enough money will not be the issue. Deciding where to spend it will be.

[pookus]

The restructure of the NRL has improved its cost structure by some $30m p.a. The new TV deal will deliver $100m+ per annum

Having enough money will not be the issue. Deciding where to spend it will be.

Bs point for you a report in the paper only yesterday pointed out that the commision is actually costing you more pointing out that the AFL guys do it for nothing while grant gets a 150 grand per year.100,000,000 divided by 18(when you expand)is not relly that much is it.Just over 5 million per club.Take out the extra the greedy players will take plus the cost of expansion and I dare say the pot wont be much bigger.Still a staggering amount behind the bohemath that is the greatest game of all.

[eelofwest]

Exactly right pookus.

The average AFL club earns well over double the average NRL club because of far better gate receipts, memberships, and sponsorships. Because of this they enjoy far better facilities and employ far more support staff and professional assistance such as medical teams. It would be much easy for them to reduce costs if needed by eliminating some of these non-essential benefits than it would be for NRL teams to find more money. Hence we see the NRL struggling to provide decent stadia and some clubs struggling to supply even essential club management!

The other thing to address is how much money the NRL make through those evil life wreckers known as poker machines.The AFL has just offered all clubs assistance to remove them from our game altogether another thing the NRL could only dream about.Surely the days of these evil bits of chirping metal are numbered .It is only a matter of time before they are seriously regulated as they should be.Then lets see the clubs survive without the leagues clubs.Did you also notice King Andy was named the most influential man in Australian sport,with Dave Leckie right behind him.What have these men got to do with rugby league.Nothing.lol

Oh pookus my boy get of the alchohol mate your are like a yoyo going from 1 point to another within a split second (evil life wreckers) your funny guy. No really mate stop with the pokie talk and concentrate on your rehab, i can tell you alchahol deos just as much damage as the Pokies your living proof mate.

[pookus]

Exactly right pookus.

The average AFL club earns well over double the average NRL club because of far better gate receipts, memberships, and sponsorships. Because of this they enjoy far better facilities and employ far more support staff and professional assistance such as medical teams. It would be much easy for them to reduce costs if needed by eliminating some of these non-essential benefits than it would be for NRL teams to find more money. Hence we see the NRL struggling to provide decent stadia and some clubs struggling to supply even essential club management!

The other thing to address is how much money the NRL make through those evil life wreckers known as poker machines.The AFL has just offered all clubs assistance to remove them from our game altogether another thing the NRL could only dream about.Surely the days of these evil bits of chirping metal are numbered .It is only a matter of time before they are seriously regulated as they should be.Then lets see the clubs survive without the leagues clubs.Did you also notice King Andy was named the most influential man in Australian sport,with Dave Leckie right behind him.What have these men got to do with rugby league.Nothing.lol

Oh pookus my boy get of the alchohol mate your are like a yoyo going from 1 point to another within a split second (evil life wreckers) your funny guy. No really mate stop with the pokie talk and concentrate on your rehab, i can tell you alchahol deos just as much damage as the Pokies your living proof mate.

They are all the same point my mentally challenged friend the problem is you guys want to spruike bush tv numbers and act like your on a par with AFL.Truth is you are a long way behind.Being a social worker I have some idea what poker machines do to a community and if you think we are better off as a society with them you are an absolute moron.It seems with all the points I raised the only thing you could object to was the poker machines.Not much to say on the other FACTS.So trip off to your little bogun leagues club where the poor are reamed and pretend everything is honky dory.Tosser.PS learn to articulate you ill bred fool

[pussycat]

Alright kiddies some more facts Collingwood turns over 90 million a year not 75.AFL has more people watching than league however you want to puy it.Simple economics lesson it easier to cut costs than it is to raise revenue.Just ask the Greeks.But my favourite quote of the day is"Our revenue is down for a good reason. And now that were no longer controlod by News Limited we will soon pass you in this area."You poor delusional fool.News Ltd only took 10 million out of the game.By most indications NRL revenue is behind by about 150% how do you think you are going to make this up considering the TV networks already own your game so much so that they are not even showing 1st vs 2nd live into sydney this week .What a joke.The extra you will get from them will do very little to make up the shortfall.Maybe you will get people to pack your massive state of the art stadiums oh thats right you aint got any.Meanwhile as we speak billions are being spent on the Adelaide oval,scg and a new 80000 stadium in perth all for the AFL.Maybe you will expand because that has been so successful for the NRL in the past.(adelaide,perth both failed dismally).Or maybe PNG will come to your rescue lol
The reason the AFL is the biggest game in town is simple. The majority of our supporters are in the metropolitan areas.I bought this up before but was called a douche for being off thread.Here is the corralationThere is no doubt that both games have there supporters so why is the AFL so dominant when it comes to revenue.The TV ratings give us the answer.The metro viewership is much greater in the major cities these are the people the AFL have connected with.These people in close proximity have access to their footy clubs.So they have the capacity to go to games,training and events organised by the club of their choice.They are more connected so are much more willing to pay for that privilige.Your numbers in the bush are great but unfortunately that does very little for the health of a game based in 2 metropolitan areas.The gap will become more vast by the year until the NRL can build the infrastructure to compete in the place where the real battles are fought in our major cities.Just a little side note last year Gallop said the NRL had 20,000,000 in the bank.lol.The AFL take full ownership of etihad in around 10 years it is worth billions and something the NRL can only dream about.
So tomorrow night when I take my pretty uninterested arse to your games showpiece ask yourself why am I watching this in Melbourne why the people in the bush unless they are willing to travel vast distances will never see it.The answer is in the writings above.Big city.Big money.One other thing I wish to address is the belief that because the costs are higher in the AFL it is harder to survive.How many stand alone foundation clubs has league got left 2 lol.AFL has 10.Seems to me it has always been a struggle for NRL.

Surely the best way of determining who's got the most viewers would be to see which major games rated the highest.

I didnt fully realise Just how naive and ridiculously stupid you must be until I read your $10m News Ltd Theory and started quoting Buzz. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance

[pookus]

Alright kiddies some more facts Collingwood turns over 90 million a year not 75.AFL has more people watching than league however you want to puy it.Simple economics lesson it easier to cut costs than it is to raise revenue.Just ask the Greeks.But my favourite quote of the day is"Our revenue is down for a good reason. And now that were no longer controlod by News Limited we will soon pass you in this area."You poor delusional fool.News Ltd only took 10 million out of the game.By most indications NRL revenue is behind by about 150% how do you think you are going to make this up considering the TV networks already own your game so much so that they are not even showing 1st vs 2nd live into sydney this week .What a joke.The extra you will get from them will do very little to make up the shortfall.Maybe you will get people to pack your massive state of the art stadiums oh thats right you aint got any.Meanwhile as we speak billions are being spent on the Adelaide oval,scg and a new 80000 stadium in perth all for the AFL.Maybe you will expand because that has been so successful for the NRL in the past.(adelaide,perth both failed dismally).Or maybe PNG will come to your rescue lol
The reason the AFL is the biggest game in town is simple. The majority of our supporters are in the metropolitan areas.I bought this up before but was called a douche for being off thread.Here is the corralationThere is no doubt that both games have there supporters so why is the AFL so dominant when it comes to revenue.The TV ratings give us the answer.The metro viewership is much greater in the major cities these are the people the AFL have connected with.These people in close proximity have access to their footy clubs.So they have the capacity to go to games,training and events organised by the club of their choice.They are more connected so are much more willing to pay for that privilige.Your numbers in the bush are great but unfortunately that does very little for the health of a game based in 2 metropolitan areas.The gap will become more vast by the year until the NRL can build the infrastructure to compete in the place where the real battles are fought in our major cities.Just a little side note last year Gallop said the NRL had 20,000,000 in the bank.lol.The AFL take full ownership of etihad in around 10 years it is worth billions and something the NRL can only dream about.
So tomorrow night when I take my pretty uninterested arse to your games showpiece ask yourself why am I watching this in Melbourne why the people in the bush unless they are willing to travel vast distances will never see it.The answer is in the writings above.Big city.Big money.One other thing I wish to address is the belief that because the costs are higher in the AFL it is harder to survive.How many stand alone foundation clubs has league got left 2 lol.AFL has 10.Seems to me it has always been a struggle for NRL.

Surely the best way of determining who's got the most viewers would be to see which major games rated the highest.

I didnt fully realise Just how naive and ridiculously stupid you must be until I read your $10m News Ltd Theory and started quoting Buzz. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance :D

If im being ignorant then give me some facts to show your 30 million in savings each year .Bullshit.And if your reporters are full of crap and not to be trusted then it is an idictment on your game not my problem.As I said before nothing to state on what i wrote just a cheap shot from the vanquished.And if Im not mistaken the AFL grand final is the most watched football game of the year.

[enarelle]

The most watched game was SOO.

[pookus]

The most watched game was SOO.

not where it matters
:D

[pussycat]

[If im being ignorant then give me some facts to show your 30 million in savings each year .Bullshit.And if your reporters are full of crap and not to be trusted then it is an idictment on your game not my problem.As I said before nothing to state on what i wrote just a cheap shot from the vanquished.And if Im not mistaken the AFL grand final is the most watched football game of the year.

Where to start thats the question. In the early '90, before News Limited came along, the NRL(formerly ARL) sighned what was a record sporting TV contract.

In the final News Ltd contract, negotiated between the NRL and fellow News Ltd company, Foxtel . The NRL were paid about $42m a year for 8 matches, 5 totally exclusive and a further 3 shown on delay. In the recently negotiated TV contact with Foxtel the AFL was paid about $160m a year for 9 matches - most of those are shared. That 4 times as much or $100m a year. So how long do you think we will be a the revenue levels where at now? now that News Ltd are no longer on the scene.

Its no secret, while some of the AFL clubs are well off, half only survive by being drip fed - little more than basket cases. While on the other hand there are more and more millionairs and hollywood movie stars getting involved in our game each year. No longer being bled dry by News Ltd the grant to clubs will substantionaly increase.

By reporters I guess you mean News Ltd media?

And yes, you are mistaken. The 3rd Origin Match was the years most watched match.

[eelofwest]

The most watched game was SOO.

not where it matters
:D

And you wander why regional Aus couldnt give a shit about AFL, becuase idiots like you like to think that they dont exist and dont matter. I am sure manny AFL fans dont think like you do pookus...