The No.1 Football Code in Australia

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What is the No.1 Football Code in Australia?

Australian Football
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Rugby League
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Rugby Union
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Soccer
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Time will tell whether the GWS are successful or not, but the AFL are expecting a long haul and have the funds to support them for many years. If, like the storm, they are still playing infront of 11k, when on top of the ladder and after 5 GF appearances in 14years, some may consider them a failure.
The Swans have been ](*,) away for over 30 years, and they still break into a cold sweat if there up against any Iron Chef re-runs on SBS.

Money will only go so far. GWS are getting 20m a year - the Suns similar, and what about the other half a doz clubs who get by on handouts. :wink: No wonder Jeff refered to it as a welfare organisation.
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Xman wrote:
Time will tell whether the GWS are successful or not, but the AFL are expecting a long haul and have the funds to support them for many years. If, like the storm, they are still playing infront of 11k, when on top of the ladder and after 5 GF appearances in 14years, some may consider them a failure.
The Swans have been ](*,) away for over 30 years, and they still break into a cold sweat if there up against any Iron Chef re-runs on SBS.

Money will only go so far. GWS are getting 20m a year - the Suns similar, and what about the other half a doz clubs who get by on handouts. :wink: No wonder Jeff refered to it as a welfare organisation.
Compare the swans to the storm. Ratings and crowds are about triple! :wink:

The clubs that get handouts are not for survival. It's to keep an even playing field. The NRL is the basket case code where 14 of 16 clubs make a loss every year.
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RL Results for the 2011:

- 74 of the top 100 programs on Pay TV,

- F.T.A ratings up 1.3%,

- Origin 3 was the highest ratings game ever with ratings of 3.8m viewers,

- Crowds were down o.6% (down 5.5%in the AFL),

- But the sad part is we only have 15 Million more viewers than the AFL #-o

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6131658084
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pussycat wrote:
RL Results for the 2011:

- 74 of the top 100 programs on Pay TV,

- F.T.A ratings up 1.3%,

- Origin 3 was the highest ratings game ever with ratings of 3.8m viewers,

- Crowds were down o.6% (down 5.5%in the AFL),

- But the sad part is we only have 15 Million more viewers than the AFL #-o

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6131658084
All NRLs foxtel games were shown in isolation.

All afl foxtel games were shown at the same time as a FTA game. :roll:

NRL average and total crowds were down, just like the are already this year.

The AFLs average was down, which is hardly surprising since they introduced a new team with a stadium capacity below their average. However their total was the highest EVER!!!!

The flaws in those cummulative figures have been addressed a million times on here yet you still try to claim they have validity. #-o It's a mute point anyway since they will heavily favour the AFL this year! :lol:
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So Rd1 Essendon v WB must be a misprint?

If you follow the link you'l find out GC wert the problem, rather not the major prtoblem,

Your proven nothing - you cant stop quoting the figures , now, they dont suit you there flawed :D =D> :D

And with Foxtel taking over Austar today the NRL and its regional viewers have becomes even more lucrative to Foxtel.
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So Rd1 Essendon v WB must be a misprint?

If you follow the link you'l find out GC wert the problem, rather not the major prtoblem,

Your proven nothing - you cant stop quoting the figures , now, they dont suit you there flawed :D =D> :D

And with Foxtel taking over Austar today the NRL and its regional viewers have becomes even more lucrative to Foxtel.
What? In 2011 rnd 1 there were 3 matches shown, 2 on foxtel at 1.30 and 4.30, and 1 FTA at 3pm. Therefore each foxtel game overlapped with the FtA game. Add to that foxtel subscription rates are much lower in AFL states and there is no surprise foxtel rated low in afl states last year. All their matches competed with a bigger and more available FTA telecast.

Notice which channel is the number one on foxtel this year? Fox footy! :lol:
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You have 9 matches shown on FTA to varying degrees, we have 3 only one live. You have 9 matches on pay TV we have 5. And your very excited - feeling all fuzzy, jumping up and down and getting your rox off because your 700 viewers in front. Hmmm
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You have 9 matches shown on FTA to varying degrees, we have 3 only one live. You have 9 matches on pay TV we have 5. And your very excited - feeling all fuzzy, jumping up and down and getting your rox off because your 700 viewers in front. Hmmm
We have 4 matches on FTA to every market. They are live to Melbourne Sydney Brisbane and delayed to Perth Adelaide for most. We have 9 games on foxtel, although subscriptions rates are still lower in southern states and a number are simulcast with a FTA game.

NRL has 3 FTA games and 5 foxtel games which are almost all shown in isolation. Your games are averaged over only 2 hours. Your season is longer. You include rep games in your figures.

Yes I am excited. We dominate ratings just like we dominate crowds, revenue, memberships and media interest. :D
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Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
You have 9 matches shown on FTA to varying degrees, we have 3 only one live. You have 9 matches on pay TV we have 5. And your very excited - feeling all fuzzy, jumping up and down and getting your rox off because your 700 viewers in front. Hmmm
We have 4 matches on FTA to every market. They are live to Melbourne Sydney Brisbane and delayed to Perth Adelaide for most. We have 9 games on foxtel, although subscriptions rates are still lower in southern states and a number are simulcast with a FTA game.

NRL has 3 FTA games and 5 foxtel games which are almost all shown in isolation. Your games are averaged over only 2 hours. Your season is longer. You include rep games in your figures.

Yes I am excited. We dominate ratings just like we dominate crowds, revenue, memberships and media interest. :D
So 3 FTA ratings for NRL vs AFL 4 FTA

and 5 foxtel NRL rated games Vs 9 AFL Fox rated games, it becomes quite obvious to anybody with a brain why the AFL competition outrates NRL in metro markets.

Add regional ratings throughout the year and NRL wins hands down.

Xman then you add our STATE OF ORIGIN ratings our test matches(test in 2 weeks at Eden Park btw) our indigoenes Allstars vs NRL allstars and our Worldclub challenge and it is a easy win for rugby league in this country.
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Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
You have 9 matches shown on FTA to varying degrees, we have 3 only one live. You have 9 matches on pay TV we have 5. And your very excited - feeling all fuzzy, jumping up and down and getting your rox off because your 700 viewers in front. Hmmm
We have 4 matches on FTA to every market. They are live to Melbourne Sydney Brisbane and delayed to Perth Adelaide for most. We have 9 games on foxtel, although subscriptions rates are still lower in southern states and a number are simulcast with a FTA game.

NRL has 3 FTA games and 5 foxtel games which are almost all shown in isolation. Your games are averaged over only 2 hours. Your season is longer. You include rep games in your figures.

Yes I am excited. We dominate ratings just like we dominate crowds, revenue, memberships and media interest. :D
So 3 FTA ratings for NRL vs AFL 4 FTA

and 5 foxtel NRL rated games Vs 9 AFL Fox rated games, it becomes quite obvious to anybody with a brain why the AFL competition outrates NRL in metro markets.

Add regional ratings throughout the year and NRL wins hands down.

Xman then you add our STATE OF ORIGIN ratings our test matches(test in 2 weeks at Eden Park btw) our indigoenes Allstars vs NRL allstars and our Worldclub challenge and it is a easy win for rugby league in this country.
Dribble.

You won the last few years when including a longer season and rep games, and 7 viewable games per round. We had 4.5 viewable games only because most games overlapped.

This year we have 7-8 viewable games plus live coverage. That's the main difference. Yes we have 4 FTA games but you include SOO and PE games and a longer season.

Without regionals you will be around 1 million behind each week. With regionals you will be 500 k behind each round.
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How do you define the no. 1 football code? Here are some potential criteria

popularity: Take a sample of people from as many areas as you can and ask them to name their favourate code or favourate team. Add up the totals and work out who it the most popular. (in 2007 a poll was taken with AFL being the most popular and the Sydney Swans being the most popular team in Sydney. Just)

TV ratings: There are a few different ways to do this.
1. Average people watching per game: The AFL won this in 2010. The AFL had one more FTA game then the NRL
2. Average people watching per game accumulative: The NRL won this in 2010. However they had about 10 more games then the AFL.
3. Only use metro ratings: In my opinion this is getting a bit stupid, there is only 1 million people missing from the regionals now days (counted in a diary) with a third of them being from NT and the rest being fairly evenly spread around Qld, SA, Mildura and Broken hill.
4. Pick a apples V apples game and compare. This is not possible for NRL V AFL however Friday night football is getting closer to apples V apples now that the AFL game is live to the Eastern states.

Crowds: we all know who wins this one hands down although you can do it as an average or as an accumulation.

Membership: AFL wins easily, however this is getting a bit gray with the introduction of 3 game memberships

Money: AFL wins again. NRL fans feel that a 1.4 billion dollar pay day would make then the richer code, however many fail to realise that the AFL as a total make almost 1 billion dollars revenue a year. The AFL players managed to get about 1.1 billion dollars of player payment over 5 years that was worth less then 27% of the total AFL revenue.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/op ... 6337483468

Where AFL is about to be taught a football lesson by:
Gavin Atkins From: The Australian April 25, 2012 12:00AM

WHILE Essendon and Collingwood are clashing in the traditional, tribal, Anzac Day game at the MCG today, Sydney remains the real frontline in the battle of the football codes.
At the primary school where my wife teaches in Sydney's west, there stands a monument to the fact the AFL doesn't seem to have really thought things through.

Thanks to the cashed-up promoters of the code, Aussie rules goalposts were erected a few years ago on the long sides of the school oval. It was only after they went up that anyone seemed to realise they would impede kids on the running track and, worse, that goal kickers would be forced to retrieve their ball from the highway.

After some initial rumblings, the teachers and parents have decided not to worry about it. Despite marketing efforts that would make a Mormon life insurance salesman blush, the kids have ignored the new additions and are continuing their favoured pursuits of soccer and rugby league at the other ends.

...Some in the AFL have deluded themselves about the growing popularity of the game as a players' sport in Sydney by citing statistics of children taking part in school programs.

But despite the fact the AFL has 17 full-time and 45 part-time staff devoted to promoting the game in western Sydney, the number of juniors signing up to play AFL on the weekend in western Sydney is the real indicator of their progress.

In the age group being targeted by the AFL, the under-12s, the number of teams playing in western Sydney has declined from 24 last year to 22 this year, and there is still no under-11s competition.

Given the resources invested into it, and the hoopla surrounding the establishment of the Greater Western Sydney franchise, this should raise a red flag that something is not going the way they planned.

The warnings have always been there for those who cared to look. No 1 is that following an era of success for the city's existing side, the Swans, fewer Sydneysiders than ever are watching AFL on television.

No one doubts that the Swans have found a sustainable space for themselves in Sydney, with crowds and membership numbers that any rugby league club would love to have.

But the television ratings for AFL games in Sydney are such that their star player, Adam Goodes, has been known to praise the benefits of living in a city where he is rarely recognised.

Despite the addition of the GWS team to the competition, there has been no net gain to the number of Sydneysiders watching AFL on television, and games continue to be less popular than repeats of Antiques Roadshow and Iron Chef.

Those who do follow AFL in Sydney are most likely to be people from interstate, some are Swans diehards, and some maintain a first allegiance to another team.

However, Swans followers also include a somewhat genteel demographic from Sydney's wealthier suburbs, people who don't like the crassness and violence of the rugby codes.

Western Sydney is another story. This is the home of Sydney's working class, and their winter game of choice is rugby league. The interloping code is known by just about every schoolkid from kindergarten up as "gay FL", and any AFL players visiting a school in the region to promote the game need to prepare for the possibility of having a seven-year-old ask them inappropriate questions.

Right there is where you have your problem.

The culture of western Sydney is a masculine culture and kids who decide to play or follow Aussie rules football because rugby league is too rough are not the ones that their peers look up to. The brutal reality of the playground in western Sydney is that choosing to play or follow Aussie rules will always be considered a bit suspect.

For the working class of western Sydney, rugby league is not just an aesthetic preference, it is an intrinsic part of their identity. There is no chance that the locals will be impressed by the balletic skills of the new team, even if they eventually excel at them.

Rugby league supporters are generally not quite as demonstrative as Aussie rules supporters. They are less likely to attend games, buy memberships or sink into a depression when their team loses on the weekend. But this should not be confused with a lack of loyalty.

They also have an uncanny ability to identify hubris, and it will not help the GWS that the team has chosen to spend most of its time in a gated community within a drop punt of Sydney's inner-western cafe strip.

If there is anything that sums up the sheer waste and self-delusion of the GWS experiment, it has been the recruitment of star rugby league player Israel Folau, reportedly for about $1 million a year.

In a bid to gain greater stamina, Israel has deliberately lost his muscle tone, but unfortunately all of the stereotypes league followers have about AFL have been reinforced in the process.

What's worse is that he appears completely lost on the AFL field, but is nevertheless furiously applauded every time he so much as manages to run through a paper banner without tripping over.

AFL followers will tell you that this is a long-term project and that the GWS team will succeed in five years. What they overlook is that if the experience of the Swans is anything to go by, on-field success will not translate to the long-term popularity of the code in Sydney.

Another precedent is the city's professional basketball teams. Though the Sydney Kings experienced considerable success on the court, they were forced to fold in 2008, not long after a failed attempt to introduce a western Sydney team.

The problem is that old killer of many small businesses: simply that the AFL doesn't appear to understand its customers.

The AFL experiment in western Sydney is not going to work now and not in 10 years. The only question is how much damage will be done to the code before anyone is willing to admit to it.
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Piesman, is that the same pole that fond the the AFL were more popular than the NRL on PTV?

There doest seem to be a lot between the two in popularity, at least not until regionals are added and then NRL wins comfortably.
* The NRL won accumulative figures again in 2011.

As far as crowds go, I admit The AFL win this hands down. The people from the NRL states seem quiet happy to watch the game from home.

And the AFL are also well ahead on Memberships - But give us time, we've only been serious about it for a few years.

Since the takeover of our game, in the mid Ninties, weve been virtually fighting with one hand behind our back. That will now change.! And News Ltd , love them or hate them you must admit they are very good bussinessmen, very good at making decisions that make money. So why did they chose to take over the NRL and not the AFL?
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