Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[pussycat]

There is no such thing as the NRL anymore. With News Limited no longer in the picture, All forms of Rugby League is united under the name ARL Commission, with an audience of around 15m more than AFL. We have exciting games, even competitions - and we dont tank

Exciting games? Where's the fans then?

15m accumulative audience? That was last year, excluded game length, season length, scheduling advantages, etc... It's over already champ. The AFL are looking at 4.5million viewers this first round, without regionals. It's over! no amount of dodgy regionals will make up that gap.

Tanking? You believe in Santa too don't you?!

With been been leading in viewe numbers for the past few years.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 15z9t.html

I think even your mate, Morgan, even admits we have more viewers.

These figures exclude a few things. Not the least is that advertising cost a lot more in the ARL part of the country.

Length isnt as big a factor as you like to make out. Having a longer - more drawn out game , restricts the timeslots a TV station has for advertising, ie we can show 3 games withot overlapping while the AFL can only show 2. But having 4 of sports biggest mega rating programs compared to the AFL 1 is a major attraction to TV network as advertising in these timeslots attracts huge money.

It will be interesting to see how far the figures drop after the first few hand picked rounds You need to remember, the NRL can do every you can do when we get a good contact behind us - Expansion and more & better TV coverage.

What was that you were saying about tanking & Santa?
http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a ... 1i96m.html
http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/expe ... 1ibqx.html
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/07/an ... -the-face/

[Xman]

We've already addressed these Roy masters (an NRL media person) cumulative figures on many occasions. But I will repeat the main points here: they include 7 viewable games of NRL per round, two more rounds over a season, plus rep games and even your Toyota cup!

Why is this relevant? Well for the previous years only 4.5 AFL games were viewable per week because the majority of games were shown at the same time as another game, and because of the game length.

But this year there are 7-8 viewable AFL games, and this will mean the AFL will gain a massive boost in ratings. We will know how much tomorrow, but I would suggest a minimum of 1 million per round, and probably quite a bit more. :D

Morgan? The Morgan polls I showed all say the AFL lead, by some margin, as we all know is true. This has nothing to do with Roy masters.

As for your articles on tanking all they say is that the AFL agreed there was a public perception about tanking, nothing more. The AFL have already reduced the bonuses given to teams finishing last so the matter is now mute. It was a non issue anyway, just a great excuse for a story.

[pussycat]

We have already discussed audience figures. But I think it's the first time youve tried to make out that extra Pay TV coveage is, in someway, an advantage over additional FTA coverage. And, I know for sure you've never came up with the excuse about longer games being a hinderance.

But this year? As far as this year goes we are in negotiation with 3 FTA networks as well as Fox.

I dont put much faith in Morgan but add up the figures. He knows the truth , even if he wont admit it. - AFL 36.6m viewers , ARL 47.1m viewers.


Tanking not an issue? mmh, "AFL Football Operations manager Adrian Anderson has made a rare admission that the AFL is concerned about public perceptions of teams 'tanking' games to secure better draft picks.Everyone knows tanking is an issue. The only reason the AFL dont admit it - other than embarasement - is because of the legal minefield they'd open up.

[Xman]

We have already discussed audience figures. But I think it's the first time youve tried to make out that extra Pay TV coveage is, in someway, an advantage over additional FTA coverage. And, I know for sure you've never came up with the excuse about longer games being a hinderance.

But this year? As far as this year goes we are in negotiation with 3 FTA networks as well as Fox.

I dont put much faith in Morgan but add up the figures. He knows the truth , even if he wont admit it. - AFL 36.6m viewers , ARL 47.1m viewers.


Tanking not an issue? mmh, "AFL Football Operations manager Adrian Anderson has made a rare admission that the AFL is concerned about public perceptions of teams 'tanking' games to secure better draft picks.Everyone knows tanking is an issue. The only reason the AFL dont admit it - other than embarasement - is because of the legal minefield they'd open up.

What Morgan figures are these? Source would be good.

The AFL have admitted they are concerned about the perception of tank. this is because it is a yearly media story. They never admitted it occurred, nor should they, because it doesn't. But as I said, it's a mute point now because some of the extra incentives for finishing last year after year are gone.

[Xman]

We have already discussed audience figures. But I think it's the first time youve tried to make out that extra Pay TV coveage is, in someway, an advantage over additional FTA coverage. And, I know for sure you've never came up with the excuse about longer games being a hinderance.

I'm talking about more available games to watch, not more payTV games. 7-8 NRL games per weekend vs 4.5 AFL games last year.

The AFLs longer running time has two disadvantages:

1. it makes it harder to schedule games without some overlap in time, splitting the TV audience. Therefore the quoted audience for a single game is not a true indication of the viewership of the code for that particular point in time. This is where the NrL brag about their payTV numbers. Little do they realize that none of the AFls payTV games have been shown in isolation, but all are shown against a FTa game, splitting the audience.

2. When accumulating the ratings figures. For example, on Saturday afternoon the NrL may have 3 separate games showing, all within 6 hours of viewing. If 500k tune in to watch NRL for the afternoon, and watch each match, the cummulative figure for the 6 hours viewing is 1.5M because there were 3 games.

If the AFL also show 6 hours of matches, and 500k tune in, their cummulative figure is only 1 mil because they can only fit 2 matches in to 6 hours.

So which code provided the most value to their network? They were the same, 500k viewers for 6 hours. Which code had the most viewers watching their sport? They were the same, 500k, just that the NRL counted them 3 times and the AFL twice.

In reality the AFLs longer running time is a big advantage because it means we now have 27hrs of content to sell to the notworks compared to the NRLs 16hrs. But bogus cummulative figures ignore this massive advantage and count NRL fans more often, falsely making up the difference.

[Beaussie]

Can someone explain the following post from the TV Tonight website to me? I'm confused by the numbers and which game is which. Did Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth get the NRL games on Friday night live on GEM then a midnight replay on Channel 9. Is that how you understand the following?

David Knox March 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm -

Ok let’s clear this up. It’s the first weekly outing on Gem for NRL so forgive my tardiness.

Nine’s Live Friday Night Football has the following results on Gem presumably for two matches:
29,000: Melb (26,000), Ade (3,000)
19,000: (Melb 9,000), Ade (5,000), Per (6,000)
5,000: (Per 5,000)

These are the numbers for Nine:
631,000 (Syd / Bris)
338,000 (second game in Syd / Bris)
27,000 (Melb 20,000, Ade 2,000, Per 5,000) this is the replay on Nine which happens in addition to Live broadcast on Gem.

I don’t plan to break these down every week!

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/03/fri ... -2012.html

[Xman]

Can someone explain the following post from the TV Tonight website to me? I'm confused by the numbers and which game is which. Did Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth get the NRL games on Friday night live on GEM then a midnight replay on Channel 9. Is that how you understand the following?

David Knox March 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm -

Ok let’s clear this up. It’s the first weekly outing on Gem for NRL so forgive my tardiness.

Nine’s Live Friday Night Football has the following results on Gem presumably for two matches:
29,000: Melb (26,000), Ade (3,000)
19,000: (Melb 9,000), Ade (5,000), Per (6,000)
5,000: (Per 5,000)

These are the numbers for Nine:
631,000 (Syd / Bris)
338,000 (second game in Syd / Bris)
27,000 (Melb 20,000, Ade 2,000, Per 5,000) this is the replay on Nine which happens in addition to Live broadcast on Gem.

I don’t plan to break these down every week!

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/03/fri ... -2012.html

Sounds like he doesn't even know, since he says:

Nine’s Live Friday Night Football has the following results on Gem presumably for two matches:

[pussycat]

We have already discussed audience figures. But I think it's the first time youve tried to make out that extra Pay TV coveage is, in someway, an advantage over additional FTA coverage. And, I know for sure you've never came up with the excuse about longer games being a hinderance.

But this year? As far as this year goes we are in negotiation with 3 FTA networks as well as Fox.

I dont put much faith in Morgan but add up the figures. He knows the truth , even if he wont admit it. - AFL 36.6m viewers , ARL 47.1m viewers.


Tanking not an issue? mmh, "AFL Football Operations manager Adrian Anderson has made a rare admission that the AFL is concerned about public perceptions of teams 'tanking' games to secure better draft picks.Everyone knows tanking is an issue. The only reason the AFL dont admit it - other than embarasement - is because of the legal minefield they'd open up.

What Morgan figures are these? Source would be good.

The AFL have admitted they are concerned about the perception of tank. this is because it is a yearly media story. They never admitted it occurred, nor should they, because it doesn't. But as I said, it's a mute point now because some of the extra incentives for finishing last year after year are gone.

What Morgan figures do you think I'm talking about? the ones you've been pushing for the last few 10 pages! the ones at the top of of this page

[Xman]

We have already discussed audience figures. But I think it's the first time youve tried to make out that extra Pay TV coveage is, in someway, an advantage over additional FTA coverage. And, I know for sure you've never came up with the excuse about longer games being a hinderance.

But this year? As far as this year goes we are in negotiation with 3 FTA networks as well as Fox.

I dont put much faith in Morgan but add up the figures. He knows the truth , even if he wont admit it. - AFL 36.6m viewers , ARL 47.1m viewers.


Tanking not an issue? mmh, "AFL Football Operations manager Adrian Anderson has made a rare admission that the AFL is concerned about public perceptions of teams 'tanking' games to secure better draft picks.Everyone knows tanking is an issue. The only reason the AFL dont admit it - other than embarasement - is because of the legal minefield they'd open up.

What Morgan figures are these? Source would be good.

The AFL have admitted they are concerned about the perception of tank. this is because it is a yearly media story. They never admitted it occurred, nor should they, because it doesn't. But as I said, it's a mute point now because some of the extra incentives for finishing last year after year are gone.

What Morgan figures do you think I'm talking about? the ones you've been pushing for the last few 10 pages! the ones at the top of of this page

Are you talking about Morgan poll figures showing the AFL in front as the preferred tv sport or Roy Masters cummulative figures for 2011??

[Xman]

Some ratings results are in:

The AFL on Friday night rated 807k FTA plus 267k payTV for a total of 1.074mil. This excludes FTA regionals

On Saturday night the AFL rated 708k FTA and 331k payTV for a total of 1.038mil. Again excluding FTA regionals

Yesterday the AFL rated 307k FTA for Perth and Adelaide only, plus 489 for foxtel.

FTA total for round (so far) is 3266k

Foxtel total for the round is 1986k

Overall TOTAL: 5.252 million!! =D> =D> =D>

[Xman]

Some ratings results are in:

The AFL on Friday night rated 807k FTA plus 267k payTV for a total of 1.074mil. This excludes FTA regionals

On Saturday night the AFL rated 708k FTA and 331k payTV for a total of 1.038mil. Again excluding FTA regionals

Yesterday the AFL rated 307k FTA for Perth and Adelaide only, plus 489 for foxtel.

FTA total for round (so far) is 3266k

Foxtel total for the round is 1986k

Overall TOTAL: 5.252 million!! =D> =D> =D>

Last years round 1 total was 3,167k.

This is an increase of 2,085k or 66%!!! =D> =D> =D>

[pussycat]

The ridiculously flawed Roy Morgan poll at the top of this page. Even he admitts (accidently) that the ARL have more viewers:

[Xman]

The ridiculously flawed Roy Morgan poll at the top of this page. Even he admitts (accidently) that the ARL have more viewers:

Roy MASTERS!!!!! Not Morgan!!!

Roy Masters is a RL media commentator. His figures and comments are pro RL, although like you I agree they are flawed, as previously described.

[pussycat]

Here are Roy Morgan's figures, It seems you cant or for some dont seem to want to read them .

ARL

Origin - 4.9m viewers
NRL FTA - 3.9m viewers
NRL Pay TV - 1.3m viewers

Total Viewers: 10.1m

AFL

FTA - 6.6 m
Pay TV - 1.5m

Total viewers: 8.1m

[Xman]

Here are Roy Morgan's figures, It seems you cant or for some dont seem to want to read them .

ARL

Origin - 4.9m viewers
NRL FTA - 3.9m viewers
NRL Pay TV - 1.3m viewers

Total Viewers: 10.1m

AFL

FTA - 6.6 m
Pay TV - 1.5m

Total viewers: 8.1m

Ahh I see what you're trying to do. OMG that is classic stupidity, or you are taking the piss! I hope for your sake its the latter.

If I asked 10 people what fruit they eat the results could be:
Bananas 7
Blackburries 6
Strawberries 6
Plums 2

You don't add the figures together to gauge how many people eat a form of berry!! That would add up to 12 but there are only 10 people polled!

Nearly 19k where asked a question for this poll: What sport do you watch always and what sport do you watch occasionally. You can't add the groups together to make a total. They are the same people!!!

Te poll results predict that 4.9Million people in Australia watch SOO. You cannot add this to the total for NRL FTA because they are most likely the same people so you are counting them twice!

The poll is simple and shows a greater proportion watch AFL on FTA than any other winter code.