Brisbane Stadium - Victoria Park

[Quolls2019]

& yours is posting crap

Another deflection, your forte.
Emojis are real you know….putting them on doesn’t mean you’re funny…well not in a ha ha way.

another shit post
your forte

stick to telling us why no Australian media companies will bid for the NRL rights .... thats where your level of knowledge is at

Still not answering….

[Quolls2019]

& yours is posting crap

Another deflection, your forte.
Emojis are real you know….putting them on doesn’t mean you’re funny…well not in a ha ha way.

another shit post
your forte

stick to telling us why no Australian media companies will bid for the NRL rights .... thats where your level of knowledge is at

Stop misrepresenting what other people post.
I did not say that no Australian Companies would bid for the NRL rights, I did say what would happen IF no Australian Company bid…a bit of a difference.
But truth is not your forte.
Bring on your emoji friends.

[azif]

Another deflection, your forte.
Emojis are real you know….putting them on doesn’t mean you’re funny…well not in a ha ha way.

another shit post
your forte

stick to telling us why no Australian media companies will bid for the NRL rights .... thats where your level of knowledge is at

Stop misrepresenting what other people post.
I did not say that no Australian Companies would bid for the NRL rights, I did say what would happen IF no Australian Company bid…a bit of a difference.
But truth is not your forte.
Bring on your emoji friends.

thatd be like saying what IF the sun doesn't come up tomorrow & about as likely you dribbling toss pot

[Fred]

Brisbane Mayor Adrian Schrinner leads a “fresh push backed by hundreds of public submissions for private funding for a new stadium” ahead of the 2032 Olympics Games. Schrinner has “urged the head of a review of the city’s stalled Olympics infrastructure program to consider a public-private partnership to pay for a new stadium for the Queensland capital.” Schrinner “reiterated his support” for a new oval stadium to be built ahead of the Games in a letter to Review Chair Stephen Conry, saying that it is “needed to host the Brisbane Lions, cricket and concerts, and replace the Gabba as it approached ‘its end of life.’” Plans for a $2.7B rebuild of the Gabba “were abandoned by the former Labor government” (THE AUSTRALIAN, 12/26).

[azif]

Brisbane Mayor Adrian Schrinner leads a “fresh push backed by hundreds of public submissions for private funding for a new stadium” ahead of the 2032 Olympics Games. Schrinner has “urged the head of a review of the city’s stalled Olympics infrastructure program to consider a public-private partnership to pay for a new stadium for the Queensland capital.” Schrinner “reiterated his support” for a new oval stadium to be built ahead of the Games in a letter to Review Chair Stephen Conry, saying that it is “needed to host the Brisbane Lions, cricket and concerts, and replace the Gabba as it approached ‘its end of life.’” Plans for a $2.7B rebuild of the Gabba “were abandoned by the former Labor government” (THE AUSTRALIAN, 12/26).

won't happen
Govts build stadiums in this country , not private consortiums

[Fred]

Well - we've shown that not to be true - but anyway.

[azif]

Well - we've shown that not to be true - but anyway.

one stadium ....one... that wouldn't be built in this day & age under that arrangement because there would be no benefit to the private investors
Like I said fwed , theres a reason these arrangements are not made

Docklands was built relatively cheaply 28 years ago , $460 mill
about a bill in todays money ,
& the investors got their return on such a small investment ...

the private input for this olympic stadium is in the order of 50% , or 3.5 billion
Now the last thing CA & the fumbling mess from Vicdopia wants is the venue they play at in the future , to be privately owned because they will pay through the nose. They pay next to nothing to play at the GABBA atm , they will be raped at a venue half owned by private companies.
These private companies are businesses & have share holders , & expect a return on their spend. They will also expect huge concessions on all the land for developments around the stadium where they will make more money , tax breaks ... cheap land ... essentially screw QLD tax payers

This is why Govts build stadiums
This is why sports want govts to build them too

now all these bubble dwelling fumbletard plonkers getting half a chub about private investors sharing the cost of these 7 billion dollar stadium plans need to unzip that bubble & join the rest of us in the real world
it aint happening

[azif]

The opposition to this ridiculous Victoria Park Olympic stadium plan grows by the day , reality is setting in
the cost is beyond the pale as it is... its insane .. 7 billion plus
& the Location is only suitable in the minds of deluded fools


If the QLD premier wants to avoid a shit storm of epic proportions , he will look elsewhere that is suitable at the right price.

Victoria Park campaigners lodge formal objection to Games stadium plan​
With momentum building for a new stadium, the Save Victoria Park community group has mobilised against the plan and made its case to the 100-day Olympic venue review.

Millennials have flooded Brisbane’s inner-city.

The Games Independent Infrastructure and Coordination Authority is conducting the 100-day review of Olympic infrastructure. Read some of the submissions here.

They consider themselves the Davids to the big-money Goliaths pushing for a new stadium to be built on prime inner-city land for the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

But that has not deterred the opponents of the proposed Olympic stadium at Victoria Park/Barrambin from submitting their formal objection to Brisbane 2032’s marquee venue being built on the 64-hectare parkland.

In a 45-page submission to the Games Independent Infrastructure and Coordination Authority’s 100-day review, Save Victoria Park makes the case for “keeping Brisbane’s lungs green and stadium-free”.

Among the myriad issues they raise with GIICA are increased traffic, worsening parking woes, a loss of heritage, and issues with emergency access to the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital.

“A stadium next door to our major hospital would bring significant noise, traffic, and disruption, negatively impacting healthcare services and the wellbeing of hospital staff, patients, and visitors,” SVP says in its submission to the review panel.

“A stadium in such close proximity to the RBWH would likely also create critical delays for ambulances and emergency services on game days, jeopardising patient care and outcomes.”

The group argues Brisbane lags other state capitals when it comes to inner-city green space, compared to Adelaide’s ring of parks around the CBD, Perth’s Kings Park, Melbourne’s Royal Botanic Gardens and Sydney’s Centennial Parklands – all much larger than Victoria Park.

A new two-kilometre parkway loop is planned as part of a $120 million upgrade of the park. Those plans did not include a stadium.

A new two-kilometre parkway loop is planned as part of a $120 million upgrade of the park. Those plans did not include a stadium.

“A stadium in Victoria Park would stand as a symbol of environmental destruction, contradicting Brisbane’s reputation as a green and livable city,” Save Victoria Park says in its submission.

Save Victoria Park notes construction challenges due to the site’s topography, the mental health benefits of green open space, and the site’s Indigenous heritage.

First Nations peoples had enduring “profound spiritual connection” with Barrambin, they argue.

“The area is associated with Dreaming stories, particularly the creation of the Brisbane River by a Dreaming Ancestor, often depicted as an eel, rainbow serpent, or carpet snake,” the group says in its submission.

A sculpture in Victoria Park at York’s Hollow depicting a serpent and her eggs - part of the Turrbal people’s Dreaming. This area will be reimagined in the new Victoria Park Barrambin.
A sculpture in Victoria Park at York’s Hollow depicting a serpent and her eggs - part of the Turrbal people’s Dreaming. This area will be reimagined in the new Victoria Park Barrambin.Credit:Ray Kerkhov
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“According to these stories, the Ancestor carved out the river valley while fleeing from Goanna, who sought her eggs. These eggs, carried in her mouth, were said to have spilled at the river’s mouth, forming the islands and the people.”

The economic benefit of having a stadium in Victoria Park also comes under question.

“To provide a comparison with Brisbane’s existing stadiums both Suncorp Stadium and the Gabba are well-integrated into areas with established hospitality infrastructure,” Save Victoria Park says.

“Suncorp Stadium in Milton is surrounded by the restaurants, bars, and pubs of Caxton Street, Latrobe Terrace, and the Barracks, making it a natural hub for pre- and post-event crowds. Similarly, the Gabba benefits from its close proximity to dining and entertainment options in Woolloongabba and surrounding areas.

“Victoria Park lacks this level of hospitality infrastructure, meaning a stadium in this location would face significant challenges in providing visitors with the same level of experience while simultaneously disrupting vital educational and medical services in the precinct.”

Even the spectre of terrorism is raised. “Many of the Victoria Park stadium designs propose a stadium platform to be built over the Inner City Bypass, which raises significant concerns regarding counterterrorism measures and public safety,” Save Victoria Park argues, referring to Archipelago’s Brisbane Bold plan.

“Modern stadiums require comprehensive security protocols, including secure perimeters, crowd control zones, and vehicle exclusion areas to mitigate potential threats such as vehicular attacks or other incidents.

“However, constructing a platform directly above a major traffic artery like the ICB compromises these measures by allowing uncontrolled access beneath the structure.”

Save Victoria Park spokeswoman Sue Bremner said the submission was, from top to bottom, a labour of love from a team of dedicated volunteers.

But despite their passion and determination, Bremner the organisation was well aware of its limitations.

“We’ve had to step up in the last three months to really fight [the stadium], but we are still definitely the Davids to the Goliaths,” she said.

“You can use terminology like people power, grassroots, whatever, but everybody who volunteers or who signs a petition or who does letter boxing does it because they care.”

Bremner said the Save Victoria Park submission was a group effort, with input from a “broad spectrum” of people, including retired town planners, active engineers and others who brought their talents to the cause.

“We’re incorporated, so technically there’s a president, secretary and treasurer, but we don’t operate that way – we run as a flat organisation and we work closely with the other community groups that are in Spring Hill and Kelvin Grove and so on.

Artists’ impressions of Brisbane City Council option plans for Victoria Park, supplied on Tuesday, September 27, 2022.
Artists’ impressions of Brisbane City Council option plans for Victoria Park, supplied on Tuesday, September 27, 2022.Credit:Brisbane City Council

“There’s no point in reinventing the wheel, basically, but nobody pays to join. It’s a grassroots, voluntary organisation.”

The group had its genesis with Brisbane City Council’s 2019 decision to close the Victoria Park golf course to create Brisbane’s version of London’s Hyde Park, or New York’s Central Park.

Little did they realise their group would find itself at the coalface of a fight against multi-billion-dollar interests pushing for a stadium at Victoria Park.

Their first hint? The endorsement of former lord mayor Graham Quirk who, after his 60-day review into Olympic venues, recommended a new oval stadium be built in Victoria Park to host Olympic track and field, with a legacy for cricket and AFL.

“We still don’t understand where it came from with Quirk, because certainly when we put in our submission to him, we were talking about Victoria Park in terms of a temporary [equestrian and BMX] venue and some of the issues of concern that we had about that,” she said.

“There was never any talk of a stadium.”

But the Quirk recommendation gave the group a new purpose, even after then-premier Steven Miles ruled out a Victoria Park stadium and opted instead for the Queensland Sport and Athletics Centre.

The new 100-day review served as a clarion call for Save Victoria Park to pull out all stops and have their voices heard. Even if the timing was less than ideal.

“I know they’re constrained because of the timing of the election, but it would have been good if the 100 days had been ready to go by early November, instead of early December,” Bremner said.

“We have run into things like getting people to help – they’re on holidays, it’s Christmas/New Year.

“Business is closed down, but people are also involved with family or away on holidays, so the timing hasn’t been great.

“It doesn’t really make for a real consultation, but it’ll be good to actually be able to talk to the panel and make that point – that we feel as though we are really up against some very powerful forces out there.”

www.brisbanetimes.com.au
Victoria Park campaigners lodge formal objection to Games stadium plan
With momentum building for a new stadium, the Save Victoria Park community group has mobilised against the plan and made its case to the 100-day Olympic venue review.
www.brisbanetimes.com.au www.brisbanetimes.com.au

[azif]

The QLD premier just got a reality check on the state of QLD's finances & its dire to say the least

a 24 billion black hole thats growing weekly
Now more then ever an olympic stadium plan on a budget is more imperative then ever .

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/qu ... fd1a&ei=10

[Quolls2019]

Well - we've shown that not to be true - but anyway.

one stadium ....one... that wouldn't be built in this day & age under that arrangement because there would be no benefit to the private investors
Like I said fwed , theres a reason these arrangements are not made

Docklands was built relatively cheaply 28 years ago , $460 mill
about a bill in todays money ,
& the investors got their return on such a small investment ...

the private input for this olympic stadium is in the order of 50% , or 3.5 billion
Now the last thing CA & the fumbling mess from Vicdopia wants is the venue they play at in the future , to be privately owned because they will pay through the nose. They pay next to nothing to play at the GABBA atm , they will be raped at a venue half owned by private companies.
These private companies are businesses & have share holders , & expect a return on their spend. They will also expect huge concessions on all the land for developments around the stadium where they will make more money , tax breaks ... cheap land ... essentially screw QLD tax payers

This is why Govts build stadiums
This is why sports want govts to build them too

now all these bubble dwelling fumbletard plonkers getting half a chub about private investors sharing the cost of these 7 billion dollar stadium plans need to unzip that bubble & join the rest of us in the real world
it aint happening

2 Stadiums….

[azif]

Well - we've shown that not to be true - but anyway.

one stadium ....one... that wouldn't be built in this day & age under that arrangement because there would be no benefit to the private investors
Like I said fwed , theres a reason these arrangements are not made

Docklands was built relatively cheaply 28 years ago , $460 mill
about a bill in todays money ,
& the investors got their return on such a small investment ...

the private input for this olympic stadium is in the order of 50% , or 3.5 billion
Now the last thing CA & the fumbling mess from Vicdopia wants is the venue they play at in the future , to be privately owned because they will pay through the nose. They pay next to nothing to play at the GABBA atm , they will be raped at a venue half owned by private companies.
These private companies are businesses & have share holders , & expect a return on their spend. They will also expect huge concessions on all the land for developments around the stadium where they will make more money , tax breaks ... cheap land ... essentially screw QLD tax payers

This is why Govts build stadiums
This is why sports want govts to build them too

now all these bubble dwelling fumbletard plonkers getting half a chub about private investors sharing the cost of these 7 billion dollar stadium plans need to unzip that bubble & join the rest of us in the real world
it aint happening

2 Stadiums….

one

captain never right about anything

[Beaussie]

Public/private partnership funding and no net loss of green space.

Victoria Park proposal is a done deal according to ex QLD premier.

[azif]

Public/private partnership funding and no net loss of green space.

Victoria Park proposal is a done deal according to ex QLD premier.

far from it , poor ol Anna has NFI

The shit storm that will unfold if it is will dwarf the one that was created when Labor released their plan & the new premier knows it
if he wants to ensure hes a one term premier .... go ahead with the plan.
I dare ya

[azif]

They don't even have money for the athletes village apparently
another 3.5 billion required

& a state budget deficit of 27 billion & growing
at some point ...
some fiscal sense has to prevail & these idiotic stadium plans are not it

[Fred]

Public/private partnership funding and no net loss of green space.

Victoria Park proposal is a done deal according to ex QLD premier.

Yeah - one thing is for sure - Mt Gravatt is very much out of the equation. At best they’ll put something small re: Olympics out that way - but even that’s a stretch