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Fred wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:50 pm
truthbomber wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:33 pm
Pete__09 wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:04 pm No one follows footy in Western Sydney. Everyone knows that. Its a Rugby League/Soccer area. We get it!

Enjoy those 2 sports while the rest of the country follows the footy.
the rest of the country ? :hmm:

:(/ :(/ :(/ :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :lol:
below is a list of places not in Western Sydney where Rugby League is clearly the numb one sport , now Petey could you point me to which country they're in please ?

Canberra 440K
Wollongong 330K
Newcastle 460K
central coast 250K
Brisbane 2.6 Mill
Gold Coast 700K
Bathurst 40K
Goulburn 25K
Orange 30K
Dubbo 40K
Tamworth 40K
Armidale 30K
Rockhampton 80K
Gladstone 50K
Toowoomba 60K
Mackay 60K
Townsville 180K
Cairns 140K

:cool:
If WA, SA, NT and Tassie are dismissed as minor or desert waste lands due to their population - what does this mean for these towns? Plus- you can play Aussie Rules at a club in all those towns too.
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why are fumblers such mongs
more people in those few towns then all of Vicderpia
& yes
if you're an expat sthn dribbler you can do whatever you want in these towns .. & get laughed at :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Expansion clubs Greater Western Sydney and Gold Coast were the AFL’s most funded teams of the last decade, while St Kilda was the Victorian side given the most financial support.

Including 2021 estimates, the Giants reportedly received $203 million in funding since 2012, leading the Suns ($198m), Brisbane Lions ($160m), St Kilda ($156m)


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Is that over and above the yearly allocation from the AFL - as each club gets a share of income I believe but obviously some clubs get more depending on need (I guess). Obviously a start up club would get more, particuarly one set up from scratch in a non- traditional area. Makes we wonder what is going on for Saint Kilda - and Brisbane for that matter given how long they have been around.


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Fred wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 11:25 am Is that over and above the yearly allocation from the AFL - as each club gets a share of income I believe but obviously some clubs get more depending on need (I guess). Obviously a start up club would get more, particuarly one set up from scratch in a non- traditional area. Makes we wonder what is going on for Saint Kilda - and Brisbane for that matter given how long they have been around.
it works out to be around $10million extra per year, above AFL allocation to Giants


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They should just call themselves CWS Giants. Canberra Western Sydney. You can't represent two cities when your name only represents one city.

They will never gain traction in Western Sydney with the way they are going at the moment. Western Sydney is a working class area. Is not all hipster and woke like Melbourne & Inner Sydney.

To be honest I think AFL is too alien a game to ever get popular in Western Sydney. The culture of the game will never resonate with people in that area
AFL would be seen a dorks sport by most young people there.

Basketball, League & Soccer is all most people play there.


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the AFL will just keep funnelling money into GWS but slowly add more games to canberra

to help boost the losses $$ and gain some traction


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Lol things are going great .
We could say we told you so but I suspect those in the cult will ignore what the Syd AFL people say & go with t Dills propaganda .
He's an expert at it

Shocking figures reveal the AFL's $200million push into western Sydney is FAILING - with calls for the league to help the GWS Giants land Dustin Martin
* New figures show that just one per cent of western Sydney residents play AFL
* The Giants have slumped to 15th on the AFL ladder and their coach has quit
* Despite a $200 million AFL cash injection, AFL is last of 11 sports followed
* Former Swans boss warns the NRL's $800 million stadiums project will bury AFL

By JOSH ALSTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 14:59 AEST, 14 May 2022 | UPDATED: 15:03 AEST, 14 May 2022

New statistics reveal the AFL's massive push into the western suburbs has been a categoric failure with soccer and NRL-sanctioned sports smashing the GWS Giants in nearly every area.
Figures revealed by The Weekend Australian have revealed that just one per cent of participants in sport in the important Parramatta heartland are playing Aussie Rules, compared to a staggering 47 per cent participation rate in soccer and 24 per cent in rugby league when touch football and Oztag are included.
Of 11 sports covered in the participation rates, Aussie Rules sits dead last. 


It's a hugely disappointing finding considering the AFL has tipped an estimated $200million into the region over the last decade in a bid to gain ground on sports like rugby league and soccer.

Dustin Martin has been connected to a possible move to the Giants. The Richmond superstar lived in Sydney for a year as teenager and is reportedly increasingly fond of life in the city, where he recently spent a month training with Paul Gallen while on personal leave from footy.
Speaking earlier this month, GWS chief executive David Matthews said Martin was a 'genuine superstar of our game' and noted several players had opted to leave Melbourne for the harbour city.
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan has ruled out giving GWS any financial help to land Martin, but the findings about the game's failings in western Sydney could force the league to revise that stance. 
While the numbers at grassroots level are shocking, the performance of the top flight team the GWS Giants is hardly inspiring in 2022, either. The club sits 15th on the ladder and has just parted ways with coach Leon Cameron.
In contrast, the Penrith Panthers won the 2021 NRL premiership, Parramatta contested the finals and the Western Sydney Wanderers were A-League champions in their first season, Asian Cup winners in their second and are perennial finalists that attract huge crowds. 
The AFL continues to pump money into the region to boost the sport's profile and participation with seven new AFL facilities constructed and upgrades approved for 13 other clubs in the last decade. 

Former Sydney Swans chairman Richard Colless said the AFL had seriously underestimated rugby league heartlands in NSW and believes the code has ignored key regions including the Hunter Valley and Illawarra - where 27 per cent of the Australian population he lives.
Colless warned that the NRL's $800million war chest to develop suburban grounds could be a hammer blow to Aussie Rules participation in the state.
'This is the world rugby league heartland and I fear the AFL may have massively underestimated the power and craftiness of rugby league,' he said.
'I reckon if all suburban grounds are materially upgraded and with no draft it will lead to greater local links being created. It will be back to the good old days [for the NRL].'

Despite the damning figures, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the Giants are 'a success story'.
'The Giants have unquestionably been a success story for our game and in the broader Australian sporting landscape with three teams across men's and women's elite sport and while they have reached great heights on-field, they have also continued to expand their footprint at an extraordinary rate,' he said.
'Given the base the club has built in new territory in just 11 years, there is no doubt it is going to be a very powerful and large club attracting generations of fans for decades to come.'


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Surprised RL/OzTag and Touch when combined had participation was so low 24 percent- but agree - Aussie Rules is struggling in Western Sydney - well it always struggled - but GWS doesn't seem to have had the impact it wanted - reminiscent of the early days of the Swans - they need to get out of Canberra I believe as a first step - locals aren't buying into the team.


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it never even close to succeeded, it is one big fail at current.

Interesting point on why he thinks this..

Former Sydney Swans chairman Richard Colless said the AFL had seriously underestimated rugby league heartlands in NSW and believes the code has ignored key regions including the Hunter Valley and Illawarra - where 27 per cent of the Australian population he lives.
Colless warned that the NRL's $800million war chest to develop suburban grounds could be a hammer blow to Aussie Rules participation in the state.
'This is the world rugby league heartland and I fear the AFL may have massively underestimated the power and craftiness of rugby league,' he said.
'I reckon if all suburban grounds are materially upgraded and with no draft it will lead to greater local links being created. It will be back to the good old days [for the NRL].'


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6000 At the Suns on Sunday >>
Yes it had some rain on the day,

Titans 3 wins for season
Suns 4 wins for season

apparently it has rained on the gold coast 90- days out of the last 130 days.


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I posted on FB that it feels like it has been raining since before Christmas - which people agreed.


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Does anyone have any more on this story? its behind a paywall.


thtps://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news ... our=append


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pussycat Mark 11 wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:38 pm Does anyone have any more on this story? its behind a paywall.


thtps://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news ... our=append
Is the AFL losing the great football war of western Sydney?
It was former Australian Rugby League chief executive Geoff Carr who once warned the AFL its push into western Sydney could be its Vietnam War.
“It is a huge risk for the AFL and a lot of people say it will be their Vietnam,” Carr said in 2009. “If they want to fight out there, that is their call.”
Thirteen years on, the Giants are languishing at 15th on the ladder and coach Leon Cameron has walked away from the job. Statistics show the GWS Giants are yet to make solid inroads into western Sydney’s sporting heartland of Parramatta, with participation figures leaked to The Weekend Australian showing just 1 per cent of participants in the area are playing Australian football, while TV ratings and crowd figures this season have, at times, been poor.
Despite an estimated $200m poured into GWS over the past decade, a City of Parramatta report from March shows AFL is the least popular of the 11 sports listed on a pie chart.
It shows AFL’s formal participation in the City of Parramatta — a home local government area of the Giants — is at 1 per cent of nearly 20,000 participants (senior and junior).
Meanwhile, tackle rugby league makes up 7 per cent. But when combined with the game’s other formats of touch football (11 per cent) and OzTag (6 per cent), the NRL holds a 24 per cent cut of participation figures.
Rugby league is the second-most popular sport behind soccer, which has a 47 per cent share of participation.
The Giants insist that despite these Parramatta statistics, the AFL figures truly show the growth of the game in western Sydney — with participation community football and Auskick doubling since 2012 in the area.
The AFL NSW/ACT has secured seven new AFL facilities in western Sydney since 2019 and facilitated upgrades for 13 existing club homes in the past 10 years.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan told The Weekend Australian the Giants were an irrefutable success story for the code.
“The Giants have unquestionably been a success story for our game and in the broader Australian sporting landscape with three teams across men’s and women’s elite sport and while they have reached great heights on-field, they have also continued to expand their footprint at an extraordinary rate,” he said.
“Given the base the club has built in new territory in just 11 years, there is no doubt it is going to be a very powerful and large club attracting generations of fans for decades to come.”
GWS boss Dave Matthews pointed out the Giants just ticked over 30,000 members. “By any metric, the Giants’ growth since entering the AFL just a decade ago has been remarkable,” he said. “As an organisation with over 30,000 members and three elite teams under the Giants brand our footprint in NSW and the ACT is vast.”
The AFL does not make participation numbers public but it was reported last week that the participation rates for boys aged 10-18 were down by 11.7 per cent in NSW (and just under 6 per cent in Victoria this year). The AFL attributed the fall in participation to the impact of Covid-19 on young people playing sport, while they also said the floods earlier this year had hurt NSW’s participation in junior footy.
Former long-time Sydney Swans chair Richard Colless — who in 1997 co-authored the review of the development of Australian Football in NSW/ACT and chaired the NSW/ACT Commission comprised exclusively of local members — has a deep knowledge of pathways, growing the game and what it takes to make a football club in Sydney successful.
Colless says while participation has risen across Sydney since 2000 it hasn’t converted to the elite level.
He noted the GWS players from NSW are almost entirely from regional NSW and the ACT.
Colless, who helmed the Swans for 21 years overseeing two AFL premierships, says area from the Illawarra (Wollongong) to the Hunter (Newcastle), where 27 per cent of the Australian population lives, has yet to be capitalised on by the AFL.
Colless says the statistics show the AFL hasn’t been able to cut into this rugby league talent belt and pointed out while there were 80 players added to senior lists this year (national draft and rookie elevations) none were from this area.
“The AFL seem oblivious or indifferent to this fact,” Colless said. “The AFL has a national competition but not a national game.”
He said the Parramatta council statistics were a concern — but of greater concern is the powerful Australian Rugby League chair Peter V’landys’s play to secure $800m from the NSW Government for redeveloping suburban grounds.
“This is the world rugby league heartland and I fear the AFL may have massively underestimated the power and craftiness of rugby league,” Colless said.
“I reckon if all suburban grounds are materially upgraded and with no draft it will lead to greater local links being created. It will be back to the good old days.”
Colless has empathy for the Giants’ situation and intricately understands the cost of living pressures and in turn the challenge to retain players and staff in Sydney. He constantly advocated for more player assistance for the NSW-based clubs — with his experience of overseeing the West Coast Eagles and the Swans.
Colless believes the AFL should seriously consider restructuring the administration of the game in the NSW and ACT and revive a local commission.
He also said with Rugby Australia this week securing the World Cup for 2027 and 2029, there was more competition in the Sydney market. “Rugby has still got some aces up their sleeve,” Colless said. “Sydney is the most competitive football market in the world. Tell me where else there are four main football codes competing for primacy?”
The Giants, who entered the competition in 2012, have struggled recently with crowd numbers and television figures this year — just 24,000 in Sydney tuned in for one game this season.
While the AFL boasts an extraordinary 1 million members across the code, the Giants state they have over a 30,000-strong membership base, however competing codes have privately scoffed at the figure. Critics have pointed to the small crowds currently turning up for the games. One source noted there hadn’t been a sold-out a game in Sydney since 2018.
The Giants can attract crowds of around 25,000 to their derby against the Swans. But just 4014 turned up for the game against the Gold Coast Suns last month.
Like Colless said, if V’landys is successful in his push for an $800m investment in suburban NRL grounds, this could be a problem for the AFL.
GWS bosses repeatedly maintain the franchise is here to stay. That dipping crowds and ratings are something to overcome as they play the “long game”.
In 2018, GWS chair Tony Shepherd told the Herald Sun Carr’s barb about the Vietnam had driven him and others within his administration to make the club successful.
“I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I tell you what, I’m one of the most determined and that inspired me to say, ‘I’ll make you eat those words, and if I have to wait 20 years to make you eat them, we will get there,” Shepherd said.
Events are showing the years to come might be the most defining in the sporting war for western Sydney.


There are lies, damn lies and then there are ratings.
Rugby league, Australias most popular game in most of North Eastern Australia.
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Fred wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:32 pm I posted on FB that it feels like it has been raining since before Christmas - which people agreed.
yeah no doubt.. NSW and QLD have had huge amounts of Rain.


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Interesting points which we already knew..

The AFL has a national competition but not a national game.”

Sydney is the most competitive football market in the world. Tell me where else there are four main football codes competing for primacy


In Melbourne you compete against nothing really..

In Sydney union and league compete against each other..


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