Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

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Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings

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Terry wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 am
NlolRL wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:18 pm
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I added up the figures and posted them here, not that long back. I'm sure you read them at the time . There was little or no difference. there is almost 100k difference in those 3 matches were you had 3 non overlapping matches. There is also a game played most Saturday, played with no overlap and gets similar results!

But what about all the extra FTA you get? What, slipped your mind? or you don't want to talk about that :hmm:
Many AFL games shown concurrently rate below 100k on fox.
I would venture to say none of the games shown in isolation on fox rate lower than 150k
I would venture to say none of the games exclusive to fox rate lower than 150k

That alone proves that concurrent scheduling drastically affects the AFL ratings totals and averages.

Of course AFLc will come out and say the AFL target their markets with multiple games. But tell me this, which game targets a higher home market? A single game with Broncos v Bunnies, or two AFL games of the Crows v Bombers, and Roos v Saints?
Ok here we go........again!!!!! Pal, the incontrovertable fact is that in 2018 RL had around 20 million more viewers than AFL. In that figure I am using NRL, SOO and a few International games that add up to the exact same number of games in the AFL season, finals included. PLEASE NOTE - the same number of games. A pretty fair comparison I would say.

That is a monumental win to RL. As such it could be fairly said that RL is the most popular sport on Australian TV in 2018.

You argue that the cumulative number is not representative of the actual popularity of a code. Good luck with that one pal!!!!!

You then give us a myriad of excuses why the AFL could, should, maybe, get bigger ratings. Most are around scheduling. Some of your points may be correct. The fact remains though that RL thrashed the AFL this year. The only way to prove your point is to get Gilty to change the scheduling & see what any perceived increase would be. He won't do it.....so tough titties. The facts are the facts.

Conversely the NRL only has the home ratings for 15 teams. NZ ratings this year increased by 40%. Over the season that's about another 7 million viewers in total. That's an actual fact.....not a could, should or maybe.

You can and will continue to tell us that the AFL wins most Fridays and finals and that 'proves' they are the most popular code. You are right that on balance more people watch AFL than RL on Friday's & finals. However the numbers and averages over the year, taking in RL's 3 tiers, proves RL is the easy winner.

It's facts v could, should, maybe. The codes have different structures and viewing patterns. AFL do well on Fridays. RL go stupendously with SOO, are very strong with Internationals and have great domestic (NRL) numbers.

(Having said that the NRL comp alone, with many less games, outrated the AFL season for the first time in many years.)

You can and will continue on and on and on with your excuses, theories and spurious comparisons. It won't change the facts.

I will not be going round and round the goldfish bowl with you about this again......it's been done to death pal. Let's just say you can stick to your if, but's and maybe's and I'll stick to the cold hard facts.
Another cold hard fact Terry.
By claiming a 20mil viewers win, your actually saying in reality it's only about 6500 more logs of an Oztam box.
Another way to see it is about half the average crowd at one NRL game.
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Terry wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 am
Ok here we go........again!!!!! Pal, the incontrovertable fact is that in 2018 RL had around 20 million more viewers than AFL. In that figure I am using NRL, SOO and a few International games that add up to the exact same number of games in the AFL season, finals included. PLEASE NOTE - the same number of games. A pretty fair comparison I would say.
I've never refuted the totals, only their meaning. Saying the number of games was comparable is disingenuous given many of the AFLs games are shown at the same time and therefore cannot both be viewed by fans. This has a huge impact on ratings and is something the NRL avoid like the plague.
That is a monumental win to RL. As such it could be fairly said that RL is the most popular sport on Australian TV in 2018.
a stupid assumption. Total figures do not equal popularity because they are a result of multiple conditions. It's like saying the news is more popular than the tennis because it totals more viewers per year than the Australian open.
You argue that the cumulative number is not representative of the actual popularity of a code. Good luck with that one pal!!!!!
I can and I will
You then give us a myriad of excuses why the AFL could, should, maybe, get bigger ratings. Most are around scheduling. Some of your points may be correct. The fact remains though that RL thrashed the AFL this year. The only way to prove your point is to get Gilty to change the scheduling & see what any perceived increase would be. He won't do it.....so tough titties. The facts are the facts.
No, the proof is in the ratings. Concurrent games rate way lower on average than isolated games. This is fact whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Conversely the NRL only has the home ratings for 15 teams. NZ ratings this year increased by 40%. Over the season that's about another 7 million viewers in total. That's an actual fact.....not a could, should or maybe.
Agree, although our discussion is popularity in Australia, not world-wide. It's like Soccer fans demanding to include Germany's ratings in an international match between them and the Socceroos. However, you are again looking at total yearly ratings which are flawed.
You can and will continue to tell us that the AFL wins most Fridays and finals and that 'proves' they are the most popular code. You are right that on balance more people watch AFL than RL on Friday's & finals. However the numbers and averages over the year, taking in RL's 3 tiers, proves RL is the easy winner.
Because of scheduling. This is the very point. The AFL wins matches when conditions are similar. If the NRL was scheduled in a similar way to the AFL the NRL would be miles behind.
It's facts v could, should, maybe. The codes have different structures and viewing patterns. AFL do well on Fridays. RL go stupendously with SOO, are very strong with Internationals and have great domestic (NRL) numbers.
No, for total yearly ratings it's "could, should, would". But for match v match it's facts
(Having said that the NRL comp alone, with many less games, outrated the AFL season for the first time in many years.)
again, the AFL do not have the same number of games available to watch due to overlapping scheduling, so this is a false statement
You can and will continue on and on and on with your excuses, theories and spurious comparisons. It won't change the facts.
agree, the facts a plain for everyone to see. The AFL is more popular when conditions are similar. The NRL win a hollow victory due to differences in scheduling
I will not be going round and round the goldfish bowl with you about this again......it's been done to death pal. Let's just say you can stick to your if, but's and maybe's and I'll stick to the cold hard facts.
We will agree to disagree. However, at least I address your points. You roundly ignore mine, returning again and again to meaningless cumulative ratings
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Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings

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Here's NRL fan logic for you:

On a typical weekend the NRL have 3 games on Foxtel which typically rate around 150k, 250k, and 300k depending on the time. This totals 800k for an average of 267k

The AFL schedule 5 games with all overlapping to some degree. Ratings would be around 150k, 100k, 150k, 100k and 150k. Some would be more, some less. Total would be 650k for an average of 130k

Of course NRL fans will conclude this proves the NRL is far more popular, especially on Pay TV, all the while ignoring:
- the NRL is over only 6 hours while the AFL is over 15 hours. Watching all 6 hours is reasonably achievable for any fan. No one would or even could watch all 15 hours of AFL given it is condensed into 9 hours.
- the AFL average closer to 250k for games shown in isolation,
- the AFL usually rate higher than the NRL on foxtel when individual games are head to head
- the NRL is exclusive to fox while the AFL is simulcast with ch7 and 7 mate

You NRL fans are expecting us to ignore these huge differences in scheduling and treat cumulative or average ratings for both codes the same. How idiotic.

Lets imagine the opposite conditions:
- NRL has 7 matches on Saturday with all overlapping and some simulcast on ch9. They average around 130k on fox for a total of 910k
- AFL has 2 matches shown in isolation and exclusive to Fox. They average 280k for a total of 560k

Hey look, presto. The AFL is now far more popular than the NRL on Saturday
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Oh dear .
It just doesn't sink in .
Go re read Terry very clear & concise post .

No don't bother ..you are too stupid .
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Well folks here we have exhibit A as to why this site is struggling. How many times do we have to have this argument? For the sake of sanity lets just say there are differing....ummmm…...'opinions' on this matter and maybe, just maybe move on. Anything other than that is just plain and utter idiocy.

I fear we are heading straight back to the:
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SportCapital wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:37 am
Terry wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 am
NlolRL wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:18 pm

Many AFL games shown concurrently rate below 100k on fox.
I would venture to say none of the games shown in isolation on fox rate lower than 150k
I would venture to say none of the games exclusive to fox rate lower than 150k

That alone proves that concurrent scheduling drastically affects the AFL ratings totals and averages.

Of course AFLc will come out and say the AFL target their markets with multiple games. But tell me this, which game targets a higher home market? A single game with Broncos v Bunnies, or two AFL games of the Crows v Bombers, and Roos v Saints?
Ok here we go........again!!!!! Pal, the incontrovertable fact is that in 2018 RL had around 20 million more viewers than AFL. In that figure I am using NRL, SOO and a few International games that add up to the exact same number of games in the AFL season, finals included. PLEASE NOTE - the same number of games. A pretty fair comparison I would say.

That is a monumental win to RL. As such it could be fairly said that RL is the most popular sport on Australian TV in 2018.

You argue that the cumulative number is not representative of the actual popularity of a code. Good luck with that one pal!!!!!

You then give us a myriad of excuses why the AFL could, should, maybe, get bigger ratings. Most are around scheduling. Some of your points may be correct. The fact remains though that RL thrashed the AFL this year. The only way to prove your point is to get Gilty to change the scheduling & see what any perceived increase would be. He won't do it.....so tough titties. The facts are the facts.

Conversely the NRL only has the home ratings for 15 teams. NZ ratings this year increased by 40%. Over the season that's about another 7 million viewers in total. That's an actual fact.....not a could, should or maybe.

You can and will continue to tell us that the AFL wins most Fridays and finals and that 'proves' they are the most popular code. You are right that on balance more people watch AFL than RL on Friday's & finals. However the numbers and averages over the year, taking in RL's 3 tiers, proves RL is the easy winner.

It's facts v could, should, maybe. The codes have different structures and viewing patterns. AFL do well on Fridays. RL go stupendously with SOO, are very strong with Internationals and have great domestic (NRL) numbers.

(Having said that the NRL comp alone, with many less games, outrated the AFL season for the first time in many years.)

You can and will continue on and on and on with your excuses, theories and spurious comparisons. It won't change the facts.

I will not be going round and round the goldfish bowl with you about this again......it's been done to death pal. Let's just say you can stick to your if, but's and maybe's and I'll stick to the cold hard facts.
Another cold hard fact Terry.
By claiming a 20mil viewers win, your actually saying in reality it's only about 6500 more logs of an Oztam box.
Another way to see it is about half the average crowd at one NRL game.
Stop deflecting onto crowds ..you seem to have a habit of it . .

You ignored my last post where you ranted about Rating boxes .
Cold hard fact is that media companies spend billions of $$$ on what results these boxes provide.

You ignored that ..why.

Oh that's right the AFL fan agenda .
Can't accept that your sport gets smashed by another so make excuse after excuse .
Or try to downplay the way ratings are assessed .

An old ploy .laughable ..but understandable .
You don't have anything else .
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Terry wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:40 pm
Well folks here we have exhibit A as to why this site is struggling. How many times do we have to have this argument? For the sake of sanity lets just say there are differing....ummmm…...'opinions' on this matter and maybe, just maybe move on. Anything other than that is just plain and utter idiocy.

I fear we are heading straight back to the:

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the point of this site is to discuss such topics. You guys just cant argue beyond "cumulative ratings equals most popular".

I made a perfectly good post showing how scheduling on one day greatly affects cumulative ratings and all you hear is crickets. There's no attempt to argue my points, all you return to is "but the cumulative ratings......"

FFS, even biassed old Masters acknowledged the cumulative ratings do not account for the AFLs scheduling disadvantages.
The average free-to-air audience for the NRL was 600,181 in 2018, compared to 307,793 for the AFL (down 13 per cent on 2017), acknowledging that the AFL has cross-over timeslots and doesn’t go free to air with the same games nationally.
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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:36 pm
Oh dear .
It just doesn't sink in .
Go re read Terry very clear & concise post .

No don't bother ..you are too stupid .
Terry's post is nothing more than "this final figure is the only relevant figure worth examining". It doesnt address any of the issues I've raised, or even the one's Masters acknowledges.

That's hardly clever, but I suppose it is concise.
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& how many fucking times have you ignored the facts .
That
You have more games
More FTA games .
& 3 more teams with home ratings .

All you do is dismiss these facts .
& rant about how disadvantaged you are .
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Further on concurrent ratings, I've said before that, other than the NRL and media talking about the NRL, I have never seen a ratings agency talk about cumulative ratings figures for a year or a season.

However, I have found a few references: http://en-us.nielsen.com/sitelets/cls/d ... 082011.pdf
https://oztam.com.au/TermsAndDefinitions.aspx

These media agencies count cumulative ratings for different programs, but for unique viewers only, not the same viewers watching the same program again and again. Therefore if two programs with multiple 'episodes' are compared the important figure is NOT how many times the same viewer watches every program, it's how many unique viewers watch the program overall.

Why is it that no one else counts ratings like the NRL media?
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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:05 pm

You have more games
I've addressed it repeatedly. More games isnt relevant if viewers cant watch them!
More FTA games .
Again I've addressed this repeatedly. We have 4 FTA games for our smaller markets, and most are on 7mate and on delay. If QLD had 4 FTA games but most on 9Gem how do you think that would compare to their 3 games on Ch9?
& 3 more teams with home ratings .
given most ratings are neutrals I see this disadvantage as being minor. By all means, count NZ, but that wont change the fact we win most head to head ratings
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Most watched sport on tv
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https://www.wsn.com/nfl/nfl-vs-nba

Here is one of many articles comparing the popularity of the NFL and NBA. Both sports are scheduled very differently. NBA teams playing 84 regular season games and a long final series. NFL teams play only 16 regular season games.

Notice there is absolutely NO mention of cumulative ratings, they never tally up the total number of ratings for every game and compare them. Why is that?

Surely if cumulative figures are the true indication of popularity why don't they, or any other similar comparison of these sports mention it? Anyone?
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maybe it's because they know 84 home games with an identical audience each time would not indicate popularity, only scheduling.

Cumulative ratings aren't even considered.

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Oh dear .
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