NRL cannot kick broadcast rights can for as much as AFL

[Raiderdave]

Keep working hard on that excuse list Raiderdave. Not long now until you'll need it.

or til you'll need yours

[pussycat]

I think it is hilarious that you think the NRL will double its current deal of $500 million with nothing extra to offer the tv networks after selling out on Monday night football and a night grand final in the last deal. Any network that pays double the current amount for nothing new ain't real smart when it comes to business if you ask me and are in fact doing a diservice to their shareholders.

We will get a major increase wether it be a billion or very close to it. It will come because we were grossly under sold by the current owners last time. That wont happen under the New comission which will have no Links with News Ltd or any of its companies like Foxtel. We may not get as much as you next time but we will get more 5 years on and much much more by the time Onion reaches puberty.

[Raiderdave]

I think it is hilarious that you think the NRL will double its current deal of $500 million with nothing extra to offer the tv networks after selling out on Monday night football and a night grand final in the last deal. Any network that pays double the current amount for nothing new ain't real smart when it comes to business if you ask me and are in fact doing a diservice to their shareholders.

We will get a major increase wether it be a billion or very close to it. It will come because we were grossly under sold by the current owners last time. That wont happen under the New comission which will have no Links with News Ltd or any of its companies like Foxtel. We may not get as much as you next time but we will get more 5 years on and much much more by the time Onion reaches puberty.

2051 then ?

[TLPG]

Until thugby gets more of ahold on society in Melbourne, NRL has no hope of getting close to the AFL on broadcast rights. The two key places in any broadcast deal are Melbourne and Sydney. The AFL have a better hold on the combination of both than the NRL because the AFL is stronger in Sydney than the NRL is in Melbourne. Case in point - where's the second NRL team in Melbourne? (Notwithstanding that I think West Sydney will go arse up) It is Australia's sports capital whether Sydney likes it or not.

[Raiderdave]

Until thugby gets more of ahold on society in Melbourne, NRL has no hope of getting close to the AFL on broadcast rights. The two key places in any broadcast deal are Melbourne and Sydney. The AFL have a better hold on the combination of both than the NRL because the AFL is stronger in Sydney than the NRL is in Melbourne. Case in point - where's the second NRL team in Melbourne? (Notwithstanding that I think West Sydney will go arse up) It is Australia's sports capital whether Sydney likes it or not.

the AFL have been in Sydney for 30 years ... & have a hold over nothing
it hit its peak as a code about 6 years ago & has been tumbling ever since
the code in our largest city is as irrelavent as it gets
poor crowds by AFL standards ... appalling TV ratings by anyones standards
a financial mess as aresult

this doesn't seem to worry broadcasters & nor should it
the Storm when they've been given a go are already rating far better in Melbourne then the Swans do in Sydney

the NRL has only been in Melbourne for 13 years , come back n see me in 17 years re a 2nd Melbourne side
will we be in any better a shape in bleak city by then as the swans are now in Sydney .. probably not
but mongoeball doesn't seem to care .. why should we

[TLPG]

AFL teams in Sydney outnumber thugby teams in Melbourne.

I call that having a hold.

And if your silly game can't get a real foothold in a sports mad town like Melbourne, you've got no hope!!

[Raiderdave]

AFL teams in Sydney outnumber thugby teams in Melbourne.

I call that having a hold.

And if your silly game can't get a real foothold in a sports mad town like Melbourne, you've got no hope!!

And I call it irrellavent because despite Aust Rules being played in Sydney for longer then League has
despite it having more clubs in Sydney then League clubs in Melbourne

it has meant nothing in the long run has it
30K people barely giving a frig to watch it live in a city of 5 million

usually no more then another 50K can even bother to flip a button on a remote to watch it on TV .. how unmotivated are Sydneysiders about this game if they won't even do this ...

& how terribly depressing it must be for this code that has spent christ knows how much money trying to convince people in Sydney .. & indeed almost all parts of NSW/ACT & QLD their sport is any good
they have failed miserably , it needs to be conceded to a far better Product that is RL

now we havn't even started with our plans yet .. & even though we aren't a bunch of egotistical arrogant @holes like the AFL is thinking they can just turn up & everyone will love em


our code is the one that will make massive gains in growth
hell participation rates have increased massively in the emerging states of VIC , SA WA etc ... & they just keep going up

we're a code full of humble respectful people who will quietly achieve its goals without the fan fare & grandstanding of the AFL
that sort of behaviour is very unAustralian ... its why they're failing

[crocodileman]

Come on raider dave - tplg has his head so far up his arse he's capable of cleaning out his small intenstine with his tongue. You're wasting your time arguing logic with a man with a 2 inch penis - fully erect.

He has "small man syndrome!"

[TLPG]

AFL teams in Sydney outnumber thugby teams in Melbourne.

I call that having a hold.

And if your silly game can't get a real foothold in a sports mad town like Melbourne, you've got no hope!!

And I call it irrellavent because despite Aust Rules being played in Sydney for longer then League has
despite it having more clubs in Sydney then League clubs in Melbourne

it has meant nothing in the long run has it
30K people barely giving a frig to watch it live in a city of 5 million

usually no more then another 50K can even bother to flip a button on a remote to watch it on TV .. how unmotivated are Sydneysiders about this game if they won't even do this ...

& how terribly depressing it must be for this code that has spent christ knows how much money trying to convince people in Sydney .. & indeed almost all parts of NSW/ACT & QLD their sport is any good
they have failed miserably , it needs to be conceded to a far better Product that is RL

now we havn't even started with our plans yet .. & even though we aren't a bunch of egotistical arrogant @holes like the AFL is thinking they can just turn up & everyone will love em


our code is the one that will make massive gains in growth
hell participation rates have increased massively in the emerging states of VIC , SA WA etc ... & they just keep going up

we're a code full of humble respectful people who will quietly achieve its goals without the fan fare & grandstanding of the AFL
that sort of behaviour is very unAustralian ... its why they're failing

Now you're the one pulling stats out of your rear end. Since when is ten RL clubs in Melbourne growth? Sorry - if there really was a growing market there would be a lot more clubs and a push for a second NRL team in Melbourne. Fact is - there isn't.

I call that a massive fail in a sports mad city.

(Croc should debate on topic - or leave)

[King-Eliagh]

You are part of the topic and constantly trying to direct it your own way rather than bringing an open mind to the topic TLPG. A lot of others in here appear to be doing the same thing. Actually it's been quite funny to watch lately as the debates simply go in narrow minded circles.

Crocman's post is therefore "on topic" and something you should take heed of TLPG.

[Beaussie]

We will get a major increase wether it be a billion or very close to it. It will come because we were grossly under sold by the current owners last time. That wont happen under the New comission which will have no Links with News Ltd or any of its companies like Foxtel.

You sure about that. Looks like News Ltd are still dictating the terms and wont rule out forming another rebel competition. Interesting that one of the proposed NRL Commissioners is on the AFL's GWS advisory board already.

Still being disputed are the appointment of former Wests Magpies and Wests Tigers chairman Jim Marsden and the media group's refusal to guarantee it will not form another rebel competition.

Since the Herald revealed the push to appoint Marsden, he has become the victim of a smear campaign in News publications over his decision to join the advisory board of the AFL's new western Sydney franchise, now the GWS Giants, in 2009.

However, Marsden has told officials he accepted the GWS role only because of the benefits it would bring to Campbelltown and supporters say the fact that the AFL targeted him shows why he is a worthy candidate for the independent commission.

It is unclear what will happen if News does not accept Marsden's appointment at today's meeting.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z1QYeLZ8qp

[Beaussie]

AFL teams in Sydney outnumber thugby teams in Melbourne.

I call that having a hold.

And if your silly game can't get a real foothold in a sports mad town like Melbourne, you've got no hope!!

And I call it irrellavent because despite Aust Rules being played in Sydney for longer then League has
despite it having more clubs in Sydney then League clubs in Melbourne

it has meant nothing in the long run has it
30K people barely giving a frig to watch it live in a city of 5 million

usually no more then another 50K can even bother to flip a button on a remote to watch it on TV .. how unmotivated are Sydneysiders about this game if they won't even do this ...

& how terribly depressing it must be for this code that has spent christ knows how much money trying to convince people in Sydney .. & indeed almost all parts of NSW/ACT & QLD their sport is any good
they have failed miserably , it needs to be conceded to a far better Product that is RL

now we havn't even started with our plans yet .. & even though we aren't a bunch of egotistical arrogant @holes like the AFL is thinking they can just turn up & everyone will love em


our code is the one that will make massive gains in growth
hell participation rates have increased massively in the emerging states of VIC , SA WA etc ... & they just keep going up

we're a code full of humble respectful people who will quietly achieve its goals without the fan fare & grandstanding of the AFL
that sort of behaviour is very unAustralian ... its why they're failing

Talking more rubbish again I see.

FACT - Sydney Swans have bigger crowds, bigger sponsorship deals and many, many more members than all NRL clubs in Sydney

FACT - GWS Giants already have more members than western Sydney NRL clubs without even having played a game at AFL level.

FACT - Participation rates for the AFL have grown massively in Sydney, NSW/ACT.

FACT - TV ratings continue to increase week after week in Sydney this season.

FACT - The highest ever tv ratings for football games in Australia involves the Sydney Swans

FACT - The AFL tv ratings absolute dominate the NRL tv ratings every week of the respective football seasons.

FACT - The AFL continues to have the biggest TV rights deals in Australian sporting history.

FACT - The AFL now has the 3rd highest average attendances in the world when it comes to all sports.

[TLPG]

You are part of the topic and constantly trying to direct it your own way rather than bringing an open mind to the topic TLPG. A lot of others in here appear to be doing the same thing. Actually it's been quite funny to watch lately as the debates simply go in narrow minded circles.

Crocman's post is therefore "on topic" and something you should take heed of TLPG.

There's a rather big difference between being narrow minded on topic and being a complete and utter trash merchant off topic. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed, even on this board which has more relaxed rules than the others.

Suggest you temper your histrionics.

[Beaussie]

We will get a major increase wether it be a billion or very close to it. It will come because we were grossly under sold by the current owners last time. That wont happen under the New comission which will have no Links with News Ltd or any of its companies like Foxtel.

When will we see this new commission you speak of? Reports today suggest News Ltd is prepared to walk away from the negotiations.

Whilst I am no fan of Roy Masters as a journalist, what do you make of his article today, in particular the following. Is a major increase as you put it still possible. News Ltd and Foxtel don't see it that way I thinking.

A subcommittee of four people representing the NSWRL, the QRL, NRL clubs and News Ltd, has come up with a beast that has the whiff of camel breath, flat feet unsuited to the challenges of rugby league and the potential to bring the game to its knees.

Still, the purpose of the commission is to replace News Ltd at the next TV-rights deal.

Given Foxtel's recent murmuring about how little it plans to give rugby league, it may be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than an NRL player to become rich, let alone enter the gates of heaven.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z1QcP6kMf1

[Raiderdave]

AFL teams in Sydney outnumber thugby teams in Melbourne.

I call that having a hold.

And if your silly game can't get a real foothold in a sports mad town like Melbourne, you've got no hope!!

And I call it irrellavent because despite Aust Rules being played in Sydney for longer then League has
despite it having more clubs in Sydney then League clubs in Melbourne

it has meant nothing in the long run has it
30K people barely giving a frig to watch it live in a city of 5 million

usually no more then another 50K can even bother to flip a button on a remote to watch it on TV .. how unmotivated are Sydneysiders about this game if they won't even do this ...

& how terribly depressing it must be for this code that has spent christ knows how much money trying to convince people in Sydney .. & indeed almost all parts of NSW/ACT & QLD their sport is any good
they have failed miserably , it needs to be conceded to a far better Product that is RL

now we havn't even started with our plans yet .. & even though we aren't a bunch of egotistical arrogant @holes like the AFL is thinking they can just turn up & everyone will love em


our code is the one that will make massive gains in growth
hell participation rates have increased massively in the emerging states of VIC , SA WA etc ... & they just keep going up

we're a code full of humble respectful people who will quietly achieve its goals without the fan fare & grandstanding of the AFL
that sort of behaviour is very unAustralian ... its why they're failing

Talking more rubbish again I see.

FACT - Sydney Swans have bigger crowds, bigger sponsorship deals and many, many more members than all NRL clubs in Sydney

FACT - GWS Giants already have more members than western Sydney NRL clubs without even having played a game at AFL level.

FACT - Participation rates for the AFL have grown massively in Sydney, NSW/ACT.

FACT - TV ratings continue to increase week after week in Sydney this season.

FACT - The highest ever tv ratings for football games in Australia involves the Sydney Swans

FACT - The AFL tv ratings absolute dominate the NRL tv ratings every week of the respective football seasons.

FACT - The AFL continues to have the biggest TV rights deals in Australian sporting history.

FACT - The AFL now has the 3rd highest average attendances in the world when it comes to all sports.

FACT - Sydney Swans have bigger crowds, bigger sponsorship deals and many, many more members than all NRL clubs in Sydney

FACT.. they're broke & have barely more members then Souths or the Dragons who both have 21K each

FACT - GWS Giants already have more members than western Sydney NRL clubs without even having played a game at AFL level.

FACT Parramatta have 12K members ... the Bulldogs have 15K ... the Tigers 10K .. Panthers 7K & these are members ... not pelicans who pay 50 bucks to become a " foundation" member ... please provide evidence of this FACT about GWS having ova 15K members .. or its just more AFL .. blow

FACT - Participation rates for the AFL have grown massively in Sydney, NSW/ACT.

FACT where Sydney is concerned.. 100% increase on nothing ..... is nothing... where the Riverina is concerned , please provide evidence that there has been an increase there ... don't just put up the numbers there which have always been there... & claim an increase ..

FACT - TV ratings continue to increase week after week in Sydney this season.

FACT .. they're down again this year on last year .. which was down on the year before ... which was down on the year before

FACT - The highest ever tv ratings for football games in Australia involves the Sydney Swans

FACT they appeared in another grand final the following year after this highest rating game .. & the ratings plummeted & have done so ever since

FACT - The AFL tv ratings absolute dominate the NRL tv ratings every week of the respective football seasons.

FACT Code V Code .. which is what TV rights are about ... Rugby league now monsters AFL ( 132 Mill to 124 Mill in 2010) & is increasing its lead ova it every year

FACT - The AFL continues to have the biggest TV rights deals in Australian sporting history.

FACT .. well logical conclusion at least ... not for long

FACT - The AFL now has the 3rd highest average attendances in the world when it comes to all sports

FACT .. AFL is the cheapest sport to get into on the planet ( even cheaper then the NRL.. by some way ) .. its absurd to compare to it to real comps that actually charge a decent amount to get into it

that is all