Fudgy League at it again with inflated crowd numbers

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:17 pm

TLPG wrote:
You can't draw any pictures. Maybe I should withdraw my vote for Village Idiot. It was KE. It should be you. No idea. None.

so you do need a drawing

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:18 pm

TLPG wrote:
Oh IIRC didn't the Titans play finals in their first season? That would fudge the figures.

nope

H&A figures only

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:18 pm

You're an idiot. Go back to school.

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:06 pm

TLPG wrote:
You're an idiot. Go back to school.

at least I went in the first place

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:24 pm

Raiderdave wrote:
TLPG wrote:
You're an idiot. Go back to school.
at least I went in the first place

So did I, and I passed primary school. You?

King-Eliagh · Post by **King-Eliagh** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:34 pm

TLPG wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
TLPG wrote:
You're an idiot. Go back to school.
at least I went in the first place
So did I, and I passed primary school. You?

Passing Primary School isnt something I would highlight as a means of 'one upping' someone's education in Australia TLPG

Post by **Beaussie** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:58 pm

Seriously, how can anyone seriously believe the crowds posted at throwballs games. Again we see on the weekend another club fudging the numbers to somehow look relevant on the Gold Coast. Epic fail of course.

More than 16,000 showed up at Suns v Western Bulldogs (2.10pm kick-off) and only 12,997 at the Titans v Sharks (5.30pm kick-off) a figure that looked hugely inflated judging by the number of empty seats.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6082349293

Onions · Post by **Onions** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:20 pm

King-Eliagh wrote:
TLPG wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
at least I went in the first place
So did I, and I passed primary school. You?
Passing Primary School isnt something I would highlight as a means of 'one upping' someone's education in Australia TLPG

It is when you didn't pass kindy, Queen E!

Raiderdave · Post by **Raiderdave** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:27 pm

Beaussie wrote:
Seriously, how can anyone seriously believe the crowds posted at throwballs games. Again we see on the weekend another club fudging the numbers to somehow look relevant on the Gold Coast. Epic fail of course.

More than 16,000 showed up at Suns v Western Bulldogs (2.10pm kick-off) and only 12,997 at the Titans v Sharks (5.30pm kick-off) a figure that looked hugely inflated judging by the number of empty seats.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6082349293

like they weren't counting legs at the Suns of Bitches game ?
please
fudging at its best .. boggerball kings of hypocrisy

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:46 pm

AFL doesn't fudge because it can't. We don't count legs - we count ticket sales. NRL should try it some time if they have any courage.

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:01 pm

Hawks v Tigers - crowd attendance of 46,369??

(Joe a Hawthorn Supporter)"I was at the game last night and was quite astonished to see the screen display a crowd attendance of 46,369.

How can this be remotely possible when you just have to look around at any part of the grandstand and it was 50% full at best and almost vacant in other sections.

I appreciate that because it was wet people were hidden undercover at ground level but I'm sure the ground level seats don't extend that far back into the stands.

So whats going on here? Are the AFL fudging the attendance figures and why? How does this affect gate revenue? I don't get it.

We're not that stupid and to state that there were 46,369 at the game last night is a clear misrepresentation. "

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Post by **Beaussie** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Raiderdave wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
Seriously, how can anyone seriously believe the crowds posted at throwballs games. Again we see on the weekend another club fudging the numbers to somehow look relevant on the Gold Coast. Epic fail of course.

More than 16,000 showed up at Suns v Western Bulldogs (2.10pm kick-off) and only 12,997 at the Titans v Sharks (5.30pm kick-off) a figure that looked hugely inflated judging by the number of empty seats.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6082349293
like they weren't counting legs at the Suns of Bitches game ?
please
fudging at its best .. boggerball kings of hypocrisy

Unlike the NRL, AFL crowds are posted by the stadiums. No fudging going on there.

Meanwhile in the NRL, another club caught fudging figures and the revelation that NRL clubs include players, officials, club staff, catering staff and even mascots for crying loud.

Souths' dodgy crowd figures
By Josh Massoud and James Phelps
The Daily Telegraph
June 26, 200812:00AM

SOUTH Sydney have conceded they include stadium workers, media, referees - and possibly players - when counting home crowds.

The stunning admission came after a special investigation into the attendance at Monday night's game against Gold Coast Titans at ANZ Stadium.

After monitoring each turnstile, The Daily Telegraph's clickers tracked 7522 people into the ground from the time gates opened at 4.45pm until midway through the first half.

The Rabbitohs later announced an official crowd of 9827.

Rabbitohs CEO Shane Richardson then confirmed "club staff, stadium staff, media and officials" partly accounted for the discrepancy of 2305 people.

"People that come from (our) club staff, the other club and referees don't come through the check system (turnstiles)," Richardson said.

"There's a whole range of people that go in through other entrances."

The revelation provides an insight into how clubs count crowds at a time when attendances are being monitored closely as Sydney's nine teams struggle for growth in a congested market.

A Souths statement emailed on Wednesday afternoon in response to the survey added: "There were un-ticketed guests who entered via a staff gate that appear to have missed your scrutiny.

"Added to this are groups such as club staff, stadium staff, media, officials etc. who haven't been counted by The Daily Telegraph clickers."

The terms used in the statement are wide enough to include players, referees, coaches, and mascots. Staff employed by the stadium, including caterers, waiters and customer service personnel, might also be inferred.

But aside from referees, Richardson declined to elaborate exactly which "guests" were counted over and above paying customers, season ticket-holders and corporate guests.

The Rabbitohs, however, did confirm that they only counted season ticket holders who turned up on the night.

To further reconcile the discrepancy, Souths pointed to a VIP ground carpark entry used by players, match officials and selected corporates. Located on Level 0, the entry is not marked by a turnstile. It can be accessed by about 300 car spaces and guests who are specifically dropped at the door.

But neither the statement nor Richardson revealed how many people used the carpark entrance -- or the above-ground un-ticketed entrance - on Monday night.

"The observers ... made no allowance for corporate and VIP guests who arrived by car into ANZ Stadium's level 0 parking, nor guests who gained admission prior to the opening of public gates and therefore prior to their calculations," the statement read.

"Closing your count 25 minutes into the first half produced further errors. The official attendance count is concluded 10 to 15 minutes into the second half, as patrons continue to arrive until this time at every event."

The Daily Telegraph arrived at the venue an hour before gates opened and witnessed only a handful of patrons in the precinct. There was a line of just 15 people at one public entrance on the stadium's eastern side at 4.45pm.

Even fewer patrons were observed when the count ceased 15 minutes from halftime.

Richardson said he was "comfortable" with the official crowd.

"There's been no fudging of figures here," he said.

"I've got nothing more to say, no more information to give.

"We are more than comfortable that was the crowd."

ANZ Stadium declined to respond, on the basis that clubs are responsible for crowd counts.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl- ... 1116735208

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:59 pm

pussycat wrote:
Hawks v Tigers - crowd attendance of 46,369??

(Joe a Hawthorn Supporter)"I was at the game last night and was quite astonished to see the screen display a crowd attendance of 46,369.

How can this be remotely possible when you just have to look around at any part of the grandstand and it was 50% full at best and almost vacant in other sections.

I appreciate that because it was wet people were hidden undercover at ground level but I'm sure the ground level seats don't extend that far back into the stands.

So whats going on here? Are the AFL fudging the attendance figures and why? How does this affect gate revenue? I don't get it.

We're not that stupid and to state that there were 46,369 at the game last night is a clear misrepresentation. "

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That idiot fails to realise that the game he is talking about was played at the MCG - that has a capacity of 100,000. So his reflection that the venue was half full was absolutely accurate. If he was talking about the game in APRIL! Even the game the Hawks played last round was also at the MCG!

Sprung bad, Pussycat!

Post by **Beaussie** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:37 pm

Well spotted TLPG.

King-Eliagh · Post by **King-Eliagh** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:50 pm

Players and ref's counted in the audience totals

If that's true its a worry and having worked at Souths Leagues club i wouldnt put it past them.

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Fudgy League at it again with inflated crowd numbers