2016 - NRL - Rugby League Crowds and TV Ratings [Running season tally in OP]

[pussycat]

SUNDAY AFTERNOON

NRL ,

FTA : Roosters v Tigers - Metro 439k , Regional (about) 350k = 790k
STV: RABBITOHS V TITANS 237k, ROOSTERS V TIGERS FOX SPORTS 192k = 429k

Total for 2 NRL matches: 1219k.

AFL,

FTA : Collingwood v port Adelaide (shown in Melb. and Adelaide) + Bulldogs v West Coast (shown in Perth) + Crows v St Kilda) (shown in Adelaide) - Metro 495k , regional (about) 120k = 615k
STV : WESTERN BULLDOGS V WEST COAST 199, COLLINGWOOD V PORT ADELELAIDE 188k, AFL ADELAIDE V ST KILDA 129k.

Total for 3 AFL matches = 1131


XMan we await your re but but butle.

do you mean the 3 FTA games that werent even shown nationally?

An AFL match was shown into every state (Adelaide twice).How is that not national?

a single AFL game was shown into each state on FTA, not 3 like Youre claiming.

Re read . Try Again.

[Xman]

a single AFL game was shown into each state on FTA, not 3 like Youre claiming.

[leeroy*NRL*]

Ok lets for forget averages, lets take out the Friday code vs code.

You say AFL show different games into each city etc
some games also overlap.

each AFL state gets a minimum of 4 FTA games aired each week into each state.
your AFL afternoon game into Melbourne may be delayed I don't really know
but this is still getting well over 200k viewers

that is 4 FTA games into each state also showing there home teams
this also maxes the figure.

yes there is overlapping etc etc ( I have taken that into account)

But the NRL only has 3 FTA games per week
and 5 exclusive FOX games.
with 1 less game.

but is still managing to beat the AFL.

you can say all you want about games airing into one state.
but they can simply watch it on FOX

this is what NRL viewers have to do for the 5 matches only available to 30%

OK let me try to break this down.

NRL:
Your entire audience can watch Thursday FTA live at 7.30pm
Your entire audience can watch Friday FTA at live 7.30pm
Your entire audience can watch Sunday FTA at live 4pm

30% of your audience can also watch Saturday STV at 3.30pm
30% of your audience can watch Saturday STV at 5.30pm
30% of your audience can watch Saturday STV at 7.30pm
30% of your audience can watch Sunday STV at 6pm
30% of your audience can watch Monday STV at 7.30pm

Total is 3 live FTA games for 100% of your audience, and 5 STV for 30% of your audience


AFL:
Our entire audience can watch Friday FTA at 7.30pm
Our entire audience can watch Satuday FTA at 3pm, although Melbourne get the game on delay
Our entire audience can watch Satuday FTA at 7.30pm
Our entire audience can watch Sunday FTA at 3pm

However,
those who choose to watch the 4 FTA games can only watch half of Saturday STV at 1.30pm
those who choose to watch the 4 FTA games can only watch half of Saturday STV at 4.30pm
those who choose to watch the 4 FTA games cannot watch Saturday STV at 7.30pm
those who choose to watch the 4 FTA games can only watch half of Sunday STV at 1.30pm
those who choose to watch the 4 FTA games can only watch half of Sunday STV at 1.30pm

Total is 3 live FTA games and 1 part delay FTA for 100% of our audience, and 2 STV games (4 half games) for 30% of our audience

Comparison of ratings based on same audience but different schedules:
Assuming the AFL and NRL had identical national audiences with FTA average audiences of 700k, and STV average audiences of 250k, this would result in:
- 2.1m FTA and 1.25m STV for the NRL, and
- 2.8m FTA and 500k STV for the AFL. (However, this ignores the fact that the AFL's 4th game is on delay in Melbourne and on Saturday arvo which never rates closer to 500k)

So despite a comparison of identical national audiences the NRL end up with 3.35m viewers (FTA +STV) from 8 games at an average of 410k, while the AFL end up with 3.3m viewers from 9 games at an average of 370k. Then you need to figure in the 3 extra rounds the NRL have, plus SOO, and its easy to see why the scheduling alone results in a higher total and average ratings for the NRL.

Does this make sense?

a lot of effort in that breakdown.. well done lol =D>

I get where you are coming from..

The AFL system is like the NFL system..

Each home State on a sunday, get there home game..

and than you have Thursday Friday & Monday Night football
to the rest of the nation.

The AFL does this for a reason, because it works.

The could easily have 9 games without colliding with other games,
just put everything back 1 hour

Thursday night 7:45pm(is only a matter of time)
Friday night 7:45pm
Saturday 12pm 3pm 6pm 9pm (from Perth)
Sunday 12pm 3pm 6pm.

[leeroy*NRL*]

Example

if you have Saturday 2 x 2pm games currently

Collingwood v Port Adelaide -- (live into Melbourne) Live into Adelaide ) Plus on fox
Brisbane Lions v GWS --- (live into QLD) Live in NSW ) plus fox

avg 230k into Melbourne 135k in Adelaide

what do you recan this game would of got into QLD AND NSW (pretty avg numbers yes ??? very low.

so the Lions v GWS game is played.. instead and if you are a fan of the other team
you can watch it on Fox.

that is where your advantage is...

Saturday night

7:30pm

Crows v West Coast (live in Adelaide and Perth)

AVG 160k into Adelaide 150k into perth) Plus on fox

now what would this game rate if it was into Melbourne ???

same night same time.

7:30pm

Hawthorn v Swans

Melbourne figure 300k Sydney figure 50k

See if Adelaide & perth had to watch this game the figures would be a lot lower.
and the same for Melbourne and Sydney if they had to watch the other game...

[Xman]

a lot of effort in that breakdown.. well done lol =D>

I get where you are coming from..

The AFL system is like the NFL system..

Each home State on a sunday, get there home game..

and than you have Thursday Friday & Monday Night football
to the rest of the nation.

The AFL does this for a reason, because it works.

The could easily have 9 games without colliding with other games,
just put everything back 1 hour

Thursday night 7:45pm(is only a matter of time)
Friday night 7:45pm
Saturday 12pm 3pm 6pm 9pm (from Perth)
Sunday 12pm 3pm 6pm.

The advantage the AFL have by showing crows into Adelaide and Eagles into Perth is the same as Broncos being shown into Brisbane, so the NRL get this benefit as well.

If the AFL had all games shown in isolation they would have 27 hours of coverage shown in isolation. Their ratings would be far higher and they could rightfully demand more cash from the networks

[eelofwest]

So looks like the AFL did give away 10 FTA games next year to Foxtel for the TV deal.

What you fumblers thought Rupert was going to let you sub license to C10 1 game a year....... :_<>

The AFL's rich new broadcasting deal looks likely to come at a further cost to supporters without Foxtel with the prospect of just three games in half of the home-and-away rounds next season being televised on free-to-air.

Fairfax Media understands talks between the Ten Network and Foxtel have stalled over the prospect of the former rights holder Ten buying the 11 available Saturday mid-afternoon games from the AFL's pay TV provider in a development that will hurt fans of less popular Victorian clubs.

While AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan has said he was confident Foxtel would sub-licence one game a week on 11 of the 22 rounds in the new deal that now looks in doubt with Foxtel unwilling to give up those exclusive games as it fights for more subscriptions.

Outside of next season's new plethora of Thursday night games, public holiday games and rounds affected by byes; 11 Saturday late afternoon twilight games remain up for grabs from 2017 until 2022.

While the new rights deal has mandated that all games broadcast into Adelaide involving the Crows and Port Adelaide and into Perth involving West Coast and Fremantle must be on free to air the new agreement could hit the hip pockets of fans of less popular Victorian clubs.


http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl- ... perpe.html

So who sold the supporters down the pisser for the extra $$$

Fox Addons
NRL got rid of Monday night Football
Got NRL channel
Got SOO played over 6 weeks instead of the 9 and also got 1 SOO Sunday game.
Shortened the season by 1 week
Got Simulcasting
Got 2 commentary Teams covering the FTA games unlike the AFL that has just the 1.

FTA addons
From 1 Live game to 3 Live games.

NZ Sky addons
1 Warriors game Replay per week on FTA NZ tv.

What did the AFL get....................nothing, they sold you fumblers down the toilet and took away 10 FTA games starting next year and also gave you Thursday night football.

This will push you even further behind the NRL on Aggregate Tv ratings.

Well done Gill you done a sterling job.. =D> =D>

[Darren]

So looks like the AFL did give away 10 FTA games next year to Foxtel for the TV deal.

What you fumblers thought Rupert was going to let you sub license to C10 1 game a year....... :_<>

The AFL's rich new broadcasting deal looks likely to come at a further cost to supporters without Foxtel with the prospect of just three games in half of the home-and-away rounds next season being televised on free-to-air.

Fairfax Media understands talks between the Ten Network and Foxtel have stalled over the prospect of the former rights holder Ten buying the 11 available Saturday mid-afternoon games from the AFL's pay TV provider in a development that will hurt fans of less popular Victorian clubs.

While AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan has said he was confident Foxtel would sub-licence one game a week on 11 of the 22 rounds in the new deal that now looks in doubt with Foxtel unwilling to give up those exclusive games as it fights for more subscriptions.

Outside of next season's new plethora of Thursday night games, public holiday games and rounds affected by byes; 11 Saturday late afternoon twilight games remain up for grabs from 2017 until 2022.

While the new rights deal has mandated that all games broadcast into Adelaide involving the Crows and Port Adelaide and into Perth involving West Coast and Fremantle must be on free to air the new agreement could hit the hip pockets of fans of less popular Victorian clubs.


http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl- ... perpe.html

So who sold the supporters down the pisser for the extra $$$



Fox Addons
NRL got rid of Monday night Football
Got NRL channel
Got SOO played over 6 weeks instead of the 9 and also got 1 SOO Sunday game.
Shortened the season by 1 week
Got Simulcasting
Got 2 commentary Teams covering the FTA games unlike the AFL that has just the 1.

FTA addons
From 1 Live game to 3 Live games.

NZ Sky addons
1 Warriors game Replay per week on FTA NZ tv.

What did the AFL get....................nothing, they sold you fumblers down the toilet and took away 10 FTA games starting next year and also gave you Thursday night football.

This will push you even further behind the NRL on Aggregate Tv ratings.

Well done Gill you done a sterling job.. =D> =D>

Very interesting breakdown. Just goes to show what Rupert wants Rupert gets. As far as maximising ratings and exposure go Dave Smith had the right idea when he stitched up the original NRL deal with Nine. 4 games on FTA in prime time live each week. That was a brilliant deal until uncle Rupie spat the dummy.

[leeroy*NRL*]

a lot of effort in that breakdown.. well done lol =D>

I get where you are coming from..

The AFL system is like the NFL system..

Each home State on a sunday, get there home game..

and than you have Thursday Friday & Monday Night football
to the rest of the nation.

The AFL does this for a reason, because it works.

The could easily have 9 games without colliding with other games,
just put everything back 1 hour

Thursday night 7:45pm(is only a matter of time)
Friday night 7:45pm
Saturday 12pm 3pm 6pm 9pm (from Perth)
Sunday 12pm 3pm 6pm.

The advantage the AFL have by showing crows into Adelaide and Eagles into Perth is the same as Broncos being shown into Brisbane, so the NRL get this benefit as well.

If the AFL had all games shown in isolation they would have 27 hours of coverage shown in isolation. Their ratings would be far higher and they could rightfully demand more cash from the networks

yes but that doesn't go past the fact that each state gets 4 FTA games weekly
of each home team into each state.. where by this increases the ratings
to the NRL's 3.

if the NRL had another 2 more FTA games, it would also increase our ratings as well..
like an Extra Saturday night FTA game, instead of getting 300k we could be getting 900k +

[Xman]

yes but that doesn't go past the fact that each state gets 4 FTA games weekly
of each home team into each state.. where by this increases the ratings
to the NRL's 3.

if the NRL had another 2 more FTA games, it would also increase our ratings as well..
like an Extra Saturday night FTA game, instead of getting 300k we could be getting 900k +

And you cant go past the fact that those who watch the 4 FTA games can only watch 4 halves of the STV games. Meanwhile the NRL fans who watch their 3 FTA games get to watch all 5 of their STV games.

[Xman]

So who sold the supporters down the pisser for the extra $$$

Fox Addons
NRL got rid of Monday night Football
Got NRL channel
Got SOO played over 6 weeks instead of the 9 and also got 1 SOO Sunday game.
Shortened the season by 1 week
Got Simulcasting
Got 2 commentary Teams covering the FTA games unlike the AFL that has just the 1.

FTA addons
From 1 Live game to 3 Live games.

NZ Sky addons
1 Warriors game Replay per week on FTA NZ tv.

What did the AFL get....................nothing, they sold you fumblers down the toilet and took away 10 FTA games starting next year and also gave you Thursday night football.

This will push you even further behind the NRL on Aggregate Tv ratings.

Well done Gill you done a sterling job.. =D> =D>

Oh no! How will we ever cope with our greater TV rights??

Who gives a fuck about some meaningless 'aggregate TV ratings'? The figure is completely meaningless. The networks care about how many people are watching for how long, The AFL goes for 50% longer meaning 6 hours of our games count as 2 games viewed while yours counts as 3. This shows how meaningless it is.

[leeroy*NRL*]

yes but that doesn't go past the fact that each state gets 4 FTA games weekly
of each home team into each state.. where by this increases the ratings
to the NRL's 3.

if the NRL had another 2 more FTA games, it would also increase our ratings as well..
like an Extra Saturday night FTA game, instead of getting 300k we could be getting 900k +

And you cant go past the fact that those who watch the 4 FTA games can only watch 4 halves of the STV games. Meanwhile the NRL fans who watch their 3 FTA games get to watch all 5 of their STV games.

This all changes when the AFL start having more Thursday night footy

This week for example AFL Scheduling

Friday night 7:50pm
Saturday 1:40pm 4:35pm 7:25pm 7:40pm
Sunday 1:10pm 3:20pm 4:40pm
Monday 3:20pm

Look how many games can be watched with not much overlapping..
and remembering each state is getting its home team played.

Taking out Monday cause its not a regular fixture..
but when AFL install Thursday night games

What a winner that is going to be..

[leeroy*NRL*]

So who sold the supporters down the pisser for the extra $$$

Fox Addons
NRL got rid of Monday night Football
Got NRL channel
Got SOO played over 6 weeks instead of the 9 and also got 1 SOO Sunday game.
Shortened the season by 1 week
Got Simulcasting
Got 2 commentary Teams covering the FTA games unlike the AFL that has just the 1.

FTA addons
From 1 Live game to 3 Live games.

NZ Sky addons
1 Warriors game Replay per week on FTA NZ tv.

What did the AFL get....................nothing, they sold you fumblers down the toilet and took away 10 FTA games starting next year and also gave you Thursday night football.

This will push you even further behind the NRL on Aggregate Tv ratings.

Well done Gill you done a sterling job.. =D> =D>

Oh no! How will we ever cope with our greater TV rights??

Who gives a fuck about some meaningless 'aggregate TV ratings'? The figure is completely meaningless. The networks care about how many people are watching for how long, The AFL goes for 50% longer meaning 6 hours of our games count as 2 games viewed while yours counts as 3. This shows how meaningless it is.

I recan the NRL did real well in this rights getting more on the plate besides the Money..

X MAN you do realize the AFL only get approx. 24million extra a year ??
and don't say we have more rounds blah blah
the teams have the 2 byes etc etc (works out to be around the 206 games per code

Only 24mill a Year more (with 2 extra teams)

[Xman]

We lready have a lot more than money in our rights.

You have more games in isolation, far more. You also have a massive cash cow in SOO and internationals, yet we still get more

[eelofwest]

So who sold the supporters down the pisser for the extra $$$

Fox Addons
NRL got rid of Monday night Football
Got NRL channel
Got SOO played over 6 weeks instead of the 9 and also got 1 SOO Sunday game.
Shortened the season by 1 week
Got Simulcasting
Got 2 commentary Teams covering the FTA games unlike the AFL that has just the 1.

FTA addons
From 1 Live game to 3 Live games.

NZ Sky addons
1 Warriors game Replay per week on FTA NZ tv.

What did the AFL get....................nothing, they sold you fumblers down the toilet and took away 10 FTA games starting next year and also gave you Thursday night football.

This will push you even further behind the NRL on Aggregate Tv ratings.

Well done Gill you done a sterling job.. =D> =D>

Oh no! How will we ever cope with our greater TV rights??

Who gives a fuck about some meaningless 'aggregate TV ratings'? The figure is completely meaningless. The networks care about how many people are watching for how long, The AFL goes for 50% longer meaning 6 hours of our games count as 2 games viewed while yours counts as 3. This shows how meaningless it is.

Oh i also forgot not only did the AFL give away 11 FTA games to Fox, they also extended the TV deal by 1 year to 6 years. This 6th year value to the TV rights is substantial.

So the AFL lost plenty during this rights deal, Rupert new he was making promises to get it over the line but he never had any intentions of keeping a promise that would effect his subscriber take up in AFL heartlands.

End result is the AFL have less FTA games and are stuck in this arrangement for 6 years.

[Xman]

what are you on about? We will still have more FTA games than the NRL