AFL vs NRL - the TV war

Post by **Beaussie** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:07 am

Agreed that Cairns is definately AFL heartland. And there is no way Darwin is 50/50 as KE suggests.

King-Eliagh · Post by **King-Eliagh** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:23 pm

Yes now I'm in Darwin I'd have to agree Beaussie. I think the verdict is still out on Cairns on the other hand. And I have a strong inkling if Townsville is anything to go by that Cairns would be similar, i.e Rugby League heartland

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:20 pm

Wrong. AFL Cairns is the strongest league in the state outside of Brisbane and the Gold Coast. Cazalys is a high standard venue that has hosted NAB Cup games and draws crowds of a similar size to that of the Cowboys in Townsville. IIRC Cazalys also hosted VFL games in 2010 when the Suns were playing in it.

Cairns and Townsville couldn't be more different.

King-Eliagh · Post by **King-Eliagh** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:04 pm

Now comon TLPG do you really think I'm gunna take your word on this? I've proven you sprout facts and figures out of your bottom before.

I'll make my own mind up over a period of time when I visit Cairns myself. I'll go off local knowledge and what the lay of the land tells me, not some chump who talks about one stadium.

The only way you'll be correct on this one will be through luck.

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:23 am

There are seven clubs in the AFL Cairns competition with only one based outside Cairns (Port Douglas). All of them have their own home ground. Townsville has five clubs and one of them only exists in the reserves. IIRC they have only two venues (maybe three but no more). Interleague clashes between the two never happen because Cairns would win easily every time.

Your bias is showing. Just take a look at what gets the coverage in the Cairns Post compared to the Townsville Bulletin.

Post by **Beaussie** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:34 am

TLPG wrote:
Wrong. AFL Cairns is the strongest league in the state outside of Brisbane and the Gold Coast. Cazalys is a high standard venue that has hosted NAB Cup games and draws crowds of a similar size to that of the Cowboys in Townsville. IIRC Cazalys also hosted VFL games in 2010 when the Suns were playing in it.

Cairns and Townsville couldn't be more different.

Cazalys will be hosting Richmond vs Gold Coast Suns this season too.

King-Eliagh · Post by **King-Eliagh** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:16 pm

TLPG wrote:
There are seven clubs in the AFL Cairns competition with only one based outside Cairns (Port Douglas). All of them have their own home ground. Townsville has five clubs and one of them only exists in the reserves. IIRC they have only two venues (maybe three but no more). Interleague clashes between the two never happen because Cairns would win easily every time.

Your bias is showing. Just take a look at what gets the coverage in the Cairns Post compared to the Townsville Bulletin.

My bias is showing?? Please re read your post and tell me where you have considered the local rugby league following... ... ... ...

That's right you dont. Nice research pal

TLPG you epitomise bias every single time you post.

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...TLPG..................King

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:38 pm

Beaussie wrote:
And your point pussycat is? Will your link ensure the NRL matches or tops the AFL tv rights deal? Hasn't in the past and can't see it changing anytime soon. The gap between the codes in terms of tv dollars seems to widen every 5 years.

BTW, did you notice the TV ratings this week. Gold Coast vs Brisbane in the AFL smashed the NRL Brisbane vs Melbourne game on the same night and that's before we even add the free to air tv ratings in Brisbane. The AFL and Foxtel would no doubt be very pleased with that result.

Pay TV Ratings: Week 19
By David Knox on May 9, 2011

5 City Metro
1 Live: AFL Gold Coast V Brisbane Lions Fox Sports 1 274,000
2 Live: AFL Collingwood V W Bulldogs Fox Sports 1 225,000
3 Live: AFL Richmond V Fremantle Fox Sports 1 214,000
4 Live: NRL Broncos V Storm Fox Sports 2 184,000
5 Live: AFL Essendon V Gold Coast Fox Sports 1 179,000
6 Live: AFL Western Bulldogs V Sydney Fox Sports 1 148,000
7 Live: NRL Raiders V Wests Tigers Fox Sports 2 143,000
8 Live: AFL: On The Couch Fox Sports 1 116,000
9 Live: AFL: After The Bounce Fox Sports 1 91,000
10 Live: NRL Warriors V Panthers Fox Sports 2 88,000

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/pay ... ek-19.html

The NRL was backing up from a Test Match and another representative fixture played on the Friday night, meaning there was many key players missing from all sides. there was only a couple of matches played that weekend and those that were played, were played with sub-standard rosters.

The FTA figures are hardly fare when you consider, NBN Newcastle alone , has a bigger audience than most of South Australia.

Talking about Foxel, out of last years top 100 programs wern't 70+ NRL games? I think AFL had about 8

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:47 pm

Beaussie wrote:
Agreed that Cairns is definately AFL heartland. And there is no way Darwin is 50/50 as KE suggests.

If there's such a huge following why don't the AFL have a team there?

Post by **Beaussie** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:19 pm

pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
Agreed that Cairns is definately AFL heartland. And there is no way Darwin is 50/50 as KE suggests.
If there's such a huge following why don't the AFL have a team there?

Broome and Alice Springs are AFL heartland yet don't have a team. What a silly thing for you to say pussycat.

Post by **Beaussie** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:23 pm

pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
And your point pussycat is? Will your link ensure the NRL matches or tops the AFL tv rights deal? Hasn't in the past and can't see it changing anytime soon. The gap between the codes in terms of tv dollars seems to widen every 5 years.

BTW, did you notice the TV ratings this week. Gold Coast vs Brisbane in the AFL smashed the NRL Brisbane vs Melbourne game on the same night and that's before we even add the free to air tv ratings in Brisbane. The AFL and Foxtel would no doubt be very pleased with that result.

Pay TV Ratings: Week 19
By David Knox on May 9, 2011

5 City Metro
1 Live: AFL Gold Coast V Brisbane Lions Fox Sports 1 274,000
2 Live: AFL Collingwood V W Bulldogs Fox Sports 1 225,000
3 Live: AFL Richmond V Fremantle Fox Sports 1 214,000
4 Live: NRL Broncos V Storm Fox Sports 2 184,000
5 Live: AFL Essendon V Gold Coast Fox Sports 1 179,000
6 Live: AFL Western Bulldogs V Sydney Fox Sports 1 148,000
7 Live: NRL Raiders V Wests Tigers Fox Sports 2 143,000
8 Live: AFL: On The Couch Fox Sports 1 116,000
9 Live: AFL: After The Bounce Fox Sports 1 91,000
10 Live: NRL Warriors V Panthers Fox Sports 2 88,000

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/pay ... ek-19.html

The NRL was backing up from a Test Match and another representative fixture played on the Friday night, meaning there was many key players missing from all sides. there was only a couple of matches played that weekend and those that were played, were played with sub-standard rosters.

The FTA figures are hardly fare when you consider, NBN Newcastle alone , has a bigger audience than most of South Australia.

Talking about Foxel, out of last years top 100 programs wern't 70+ NRL games? I think AFL had about 8

Excuses, excuses. Funny how you NRL supporters never take into account the fact that games broadcast on Foxtel in the AFL are also broadcast on FTA TV at the same time or slight delay.

Foxtel didn't pay record $$$ to the AFL because they believed NRL is number one. All games live and exclusive to Foxtel as of next season will see the top 100 programs dominated by the AFL. Watch this space.

TLPG · Post by **TLPG** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:10 pm

King-Eliagh wrote:
TLPG wrote:
Your bias is showing. Just take a look at what gets the coverage in the Cairns Post compared to the Townsville Bulletin.
My bias is showing?? Please re read your post and tell me where you have considered the local rugby league following... ... ... ...

Compare the coverage in the two papers and the answer will stare right back at you.

Beaussie wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
Agreed that Cairns is definately AFL heartland. And there is no way Darwin is 50/50 as KE suggests.
If there's such a huge following why don't the AFL have a team there?
Broome and Alice Springs are AFL heartland yet don't have a team. What a silly thing for you to say pussycat.

Not to mention every regional city in WA, SA and Tasmania. Oh and what about Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Warrnambool etc etc etc......

It's down to population base, Pussycat. Just because a city is an AFL heartland doesn't automatically make it capable of being home to an AFL club.

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:02 pm

Beaussie wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
Agreed that Cairns is definately AFL heartland. And there is no way Darwin is 50/50 as KE suggests.
If there's such a huge following why don't the AFL have a team there?
Broome and Alice Springs are AFL heartland yet don't have a team. What a silly thing for you to say pussycat.

Im only saying that because the NRL has a team in North Queensland (AFL heartland apparently) and it attracts plenty of Support.

pussycat · Post by **pussycat** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:58 pm

Beaussie wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Beaussie wrote:
And your point pussycat is? Will your link ensure the NRL matches or tops the AFL tv rights deal? Hasn't in the past and can't see it changing anytime soon. The gap between the codes in terms of tv dollars seems to widen every 5 years.

BTW, did you notice the TV ratings this week. Gold Coast vs Brisbane in the AFL smashed the NRL Brisbane vs Melbourne game on the same night and that's before we even add the free to air tv ratings in Brisbane. The AFL and Foxtel would no doubt be very pleased with that result.

The NRL was backing up from a Test Match and another representative fixture played on the Friday night, meaning there was many key players missing from all sides. there was only a couple of matches played that weekend and those that were played, were played with sub-standard rosters.

The FTA figures are hardly fare when you consider, NBN Newcastle alone , has a bigger audience than most of South Australia.

Talking about Foxel, out of last years top 100 programs wern't 70+ NRL games? I think AFL had about 8
Excuses, excuses. Funny how you NRL supporters never take into account the fact that games broadcast on Foxtel in the AFL are also broadcast on FTA TV at the same time or slight delay.

Foxtel didn't pay record $$$ to the AFL because they believed NRL is number one. All games live and exclusive to Foxtel as of next season will see the top 100 programs dominated by the AFL. Watch this space.

There is one reason and one reason alone that League continues to get short changed by Fox. The same people that have taken control of our game are the same people that own foxtel.

How stupid does Roy Gallop think people are ? Its fairly common knowledge that Rugby League dominates(by a long way) the list of top rating matches on Foxtel. It is also common knowledge that there is a greater 'take up' in the Eastern States(Rugby League dominated states) and, correct me if im wrong here, but the AFL have 4 matches on Foxtel compared with Leagues 5 (though the other three are shown on delay). So what possible mathematical equation is Roy Gallop using that gives him the belief that the AFL is more popular than Rugby League on pay TV?

And on your other point, yes, you will rate much higher on pay TV next year, probably even higher than Rugby League . But we will rate much, much higher than your code on FTA.

Post by **Beaussie** » Tue May 24, 2011 7:41 am

pussycat wrote:
How stupid does Roy Gallop think people are ? Its fairly common knowledge that Rugby League dominates(by a long way) the list of top rating matches on Foxtel. It is also common knowledge that there is a greater 'take up' in the Eastern States(Rugby League dominated states) and, correct me if im wrong here, but the AFL have 4 matches on Foxtel compared with Leagues 5 (though the other three are shown on delay). So what possible mathematical equation is Roy Gallop using that gives him the belief that the AFL is more popular than Rugby League on pay TV?

And on your other point, yes, you will rate much higher on pay TV next year, probably even higher than Rugby League . But we will rate much, much higher than your code on FTA.

AFL is more popular nationwide I think is what David Gallop is constantly pointing out. As for your last point about tv ratings. Dream on. Not only will the AFL dominate Pay TV from next season onwards with all games live and exclusive to Foxtel, there is no way a two markets (Sydney & Brisbae) game like the NRL will ever match the nationwide ratings of the AFL in the all important capital cities that tv rights are based upon. That is a fact proven through the history of the tv rights for each code each time they have been negotiated.

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