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Gees, it appears it's not just the ARU with issues. Where to for SANZAAR and Super Rugby? Cut teams?
Super Rugby decision could drag on for months as SANZAAR strategic review
Georgina Robinson
February 16 2017 - 6:45PM

The future of Australia's Super Rugby footprint could remain shrouded in uncertainty for some months to come with top administrators here and abroad poised to continue putting off the tough decisions about the competition's structure. 

As the players' union called for the Australian Rugby Union to back its national footprint and rule out axing one team, it emerged that a final report on a 10-year vision for Super Rugby could be delayed.

A final version of the report, compiled by consultancy firm Accenture and originally due early this year, was supposed to underpin member unions' decisions about their preferred models. The four unions, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and Argentina, were then expected to nut out their positions and vote on a final model at a top-level SANZAAR meeting on March 9. 

With those dates looming, however, all certainty has disappeared from the discussion. At a meeting on Monday the board of the Australian Rugby Union is now expected to agree on a 'Plan A' and 'Plan B'-type position, depending on what preferences are presented by the other unions in March, while the SANZAAR office has backed away from a solid delivery date on the strategic review and is putting the ball firmly back in the court of the member unions.

Messaging out of both the ARU and SANZAAR suggests there is great reluctance to stake a position on the game's future. The same three choices remain: retaining the 18-team status quo, cutting two teams to 16 and cutting three teams to 15.
 
"I think we're getting closer but that decision is not going to be made until at least March 9 when SANZAAR ExCo gets together," ARU chief operating officer Rob Clarke said on Monday.

"There's a whole lot of information and modelling that's gone into that presentation for that paper at the meeting. I can't pre-judge what decision [SANZAAR] are going to make.

"A decision like this requires a unanimous vote at ExCo ... you know the political challenges in South Africa, Argentina has its own challenges, as do we and New Zealand. It's very hard to predict what answer might be arrived at."

The Rugby Union Players' Association called for decisive action from the ARU.
 
"Professional rugby is the economic engine of the game in Australia and we need more local content, not less, generating a larger revenue base to reinvest into premier and community rugby," RUPA boss Ross Xenos said. "The ARU has a vision to 'inspire all Australians' but there is nothing inspirational for any of the game's stakeholders in voluntarily going backwards."

It is further unwelcome white noise at the start of a season that all joint-venture partners need to go down well with fans and broadcasters. Despite the distraction, however, the ARU will be relieved to have secured in telco Vodafone a high-end sponsor for the domestic season.

According to industry insiders the multi-year naming rights deal could be worth about $1.5 million per year. It was secured at the last minute – just two weeks before Monday's season launch in Brisbane – after the ARU came under scrutiny for failing to secure sponsorship for some key recent tournaments.
 
"We're ecstatic, it's great to get a global brand like Vodafone back," Clarke said.

"It's not just an ARU deal, it's a Super Rugby team deal, and I think if you asked each of our Super Rugby CEOs if they were happy that Vodafone is on board and the financial outcome for them, you'll get an overwhelming hip-hip-hooray."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union ... ueo0j.html


"One in every 24 Australians is now a member of an AFL club, a sign that the national reach of Australian football has never been greater," League CEO Gillon McLachlan said.
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they should cut one from south africa and one from Australia as the force and king struggle bit time and replace it with maybe another nz team (highly unlikely) or a pacific island team. That would work


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unsure why the Kings were ever put back into the competition..

I don't think N.Z Rugby clubs are going as good as everyone thinks..
they have been very successful bar 1 team, but Crowds are below 14k most games..

pretty pathetic that ARU cannot sustain 5 pro rugby teams..


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the ARU hitched its wagon to this bullshit years ago and killed any chance of a decent national rugby competition when it chased the dollars on offer - admittedly because it then needed the money.

Id have very much liked to have seen a national comp with 2 QLD teams, 2 NSW teams, 1 ACT, 1 Vic, 1 WA, 1 SA . Dropping an existing franchise is definitely a backwards step IMO


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Geez Wookie I actually agree with you......praise the lord!!!!! Whilst ever Aus Rugby is in bed with Sanzaar the game will never prosper here. Problem is they're in a catch 22 situation - to leave they need guaranteed money but if they do they won't have it. They're stuck with slowly withering on the vine.


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 am unsure why the Kings were ever put back into the competition..

I don't think N.Z Rugby clubs are going as good as everyone thinks..
they have been very successful bar 1 team, but Crowds are below 14k most games..

pretty pathetic that ARU cannot sustain 5 pro rugby teams..
They were add because of government influence and a silly promise made by the SRU.

just out of curiously where did you get those attendance stats? They are hard to find online.

Also what you need to remember with the attendance with super rugby is that the majority of fans will be home based fans because every team is either in a different city, state or country. We don't have the luxury of playing a game that both home and away teams can equally attend like the NRL and AFL.

Yeah not being able to sustain 5 pro teams just goes to show where the ARU are at the moment


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rugby365 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:38 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 am unsure why the Kings were ever put back into the competition..

I don't think N.Z Rugby clubs are going as good as everyone thinks..
they have been very successful bar 1 team, but Crowds are below 14k most games..

pretty pathetic that ARU cannot sustain 5 pro rugby teams..
They were add because of government influence and a silly promise made by the SRU.

just out of curiously where did you get those attendance stats? They are hard to find online.

Also what you need to remember with the attendance with super rugby is that the majority of fans will be home based fans because every team is either in a different city, state or country. We don't have the luxury of playing a game that both home and away teams can equally attend like the NRL and AFL.

Yeah not being able to sustain 5 pro teams just goes to show where the ARU are at the moment

Attendance stats were found on Wikipedia.
most games were displayed in New Zealand and if you avg it out its in or around the 14k mark.
if not lower...

Crowds are down in all areas in the Super 18 comp.


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:50 am
rugby365 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:38 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 am unsure why the Kings were ever put back into the competition..

I don't think N.Z Rugby clubs are going as good as everyone thinks..
they have been very successful bar 1 team, but Crowds are below 14k most games..

pretty pathetic that ARU cannot sustain 5 pro rugby teams..
They were add because of government influence and a silly promise made by the SRU.

just out of curiously where did you get those attendance stats? They are hard to find online.

Also what you need to remember with the attendance with super rugby is that the majority of fans will be home based fans because every team is either in a different city, state or country. We don't have the luxury of playing a game that both home and away teams can equally attend like the NRL and AFL.

Yeah not being able to sustain 5 pro teams just goes to show where the ARU are at the moment

Attendance stats were found on Wikipedia.
most games were displayed in New Zealand and if you avg it out its in or around the 14k mark.
if not lower...

Crowds are down in all areas in the Super 18 comp.
That must have taken you a while to add up all the attendance the work out the average or is it more of a guess cause a lot of the games don't have an attendance figure next to them. But if it is 14k average then that's not bad considering the NRL average last years was 16k.


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rugby365 wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:03 am
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:50 am
rugby365 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:38 pm

They were add because of government influence and a silly promise made by the SRU.

just out of curiously where did you get those attendance stats? They are hard to find online.

Also what you need to remember with the attendance with super rugby is that the majority of fans will be home based fans because every team is either in a different city, state or country. We don't have the luxury of playing a game that both home and away teams can equally attend like the NRL and AFL.

Yeah not being able to sustain 5 pro teams just goes to show where the ARU are at the moment

Attendance stats were found on Wikipedia.
most games were displayed in New Zealand and if you avg it out its in or around the 14k mark.
if not lower...

Crowds are down in all areas in the Super 18 comp.
That must have taken you a while to add up all the attendance the work out the average or is it more of a guess cause a lot of the games don't have an attendance figure next to them. But if it is 14k average then that's not bad considering the NRL average last years was 16k.
was a good ruff guess..
I have site below that has 2015 avg crowds for N.Z super rugby

Hurricanes were 13k
Crusaders were 14k
Highlanders were 18k (the year they won the comp)
Chiefs were 12k
Blues were 11K

( so I was pretty much on the money)

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competition ... omp_id=477


http://rugby.statbunker.com/competition ... omp_id=477


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:28 am
rugby365 wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:03 am
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:50 am


Attendance stats were found on Wikipedia.
most games were displayed in New Zealand and if you avg it out its in or around the 14k mark.
if not lower...

Crowds are down in all areas in the Super 18 comp.
That must have taken you a while to add up all the attendance the work out the average or is it more of a guess cause a lot of the games don't have an attendance figure next to them. But if it is 14k average then that's not bad considering the NRL average last years was 16k.
was a good ruff guess..
I have site below that has 2015 avg crowds for N.Z super rugby

Hurricanes were 13k
Crusaders were 14k
Highlanders were 18k (the year they won the comp)
Chiefs were 12k
Blues were 11K

( so I was pretty much on the money)

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competition ... omp_id=477


http://rugby.statbunker.com/competition ... omp_id=477
Be interesting what the stats are for last year. Either way I'm looking forward to the season.


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KIWIS LIKELY TO GET WAY IN MAJOR SUPER RUGBY OVERHAUL
SANZAAR executives are meeting in Singapore this week and while many fans and pundits in Australia have lobbied for a trans-Tasman only competition, it’s understood there is little appetite to remove them.

likely to be a round robin season with no conferences..


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Where to now for rugby union?
The South African, Australian' NZ super comp appears to be over.
A Combined NZ and OZ comp, although logical, seems to be problematic.
And a 5 team Oz comp is not all that interesting or sustainable.


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the logic option is the AUS and NZ to join forces.

and maybe add in a pacific island / Japan team for ongoing avenues into the league.

but gees this looks dead in the water. (common sense may prevail)


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Sport 24 South Africa

Super Rugby goes from world's best to unholy mess.

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/supe ... s-20200818

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/pro1 ... s-20200824


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https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/09/3 ... he-way-out

Not unexpected, but where to from here?


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