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Fred wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:57 pm How many actual clubs are there. Years ago there were about 13 or 14 across the whole state (although maybe some border ones?). Makes it hard to play if you’re travelling across the country side to play. There are or was large regions without a rl team such as Gippsland. Had this changed? Comparing that the to spread of afl across the country shows there’s a long way for rl to go I think.
17 clubs in the entire state of Victoria. :shock:

http://www.vrl.leaguenet.com.au/

It's proving really difficult to find participation numbers for NRL VIC. Anyone else had any luck?

Me thinks the Victorian Rugby League participant numbers are truly awful and embarrassing, hence them not being reported or easily accessible. The best I could find was an article from 2017 with the Melbourne Storm coach stating among other things how envious he is of how the AFL supports its clubs in non-traditional areas.

There appears to be very little interest in the development of rugby league in Victoria.
Non-traditional rugby league areas need more support from NRL
By Craig Bellamy
August 26, 2017


By way of example, the under-16s, under-18s and under-20s representative teams in Victoria have nowhere to train in the off-season, as things currently stand. There’s no ground they call “home” so you can understand that’s far from ideal.

In 2006, there were 600 people playing rugby league in Victoria. Fast forward 10 years and in 2017, that number has grown to almost 4000. There has been an increase in junior participation for every year for 11 consecutive seasons.

I’ve always looked enviously at the way the AFL supports its clubs in non-traditional areas, such as GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns. They get help through the draft with their recruitment. If the Suns have some good local players they get to keep the top five from their area, so they don’t go into the draft.

It’s well documented the AFL has put about $20 million into each club, so they can develop their young talent through high-quality training academies. I understand our game’s finances are not in a position to do that, but certainly we should be seeing the benefits of a similar academy in Victoria, particularly as the Storm celebrate 20 years next year.

The Storm will next year appoint a pathways coach to assist talented local players, but as I said earlier, right now, young Victorian league players in rep teams haven’t got a place to train in the off-season.

They put a proposal to us about a fortnight ago, asking if they could train on our ground — Gosch’s Paddock — once a week in the pre-season.

But Storm share that with the Melbourne Rebels, therefore the traffic on that field doesn’t make it a viable option.

Every suburb in Melbourne has a junior Aussie rules club. But for rugby league in Melbourne, there’s not those kind of numbers. So many of these junior league players have to travel great distances to train and play.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/ ... 48211e2c91


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Lol 2 year old article .
Read the NRL report for info .


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did it not state 210 Clubs across all levels.. for the state of Victoria >>


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:49 am Lol 2 year old article .
Read the NRL report for info .
Care to share the info?


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:49 am Lol 2 year old article .
Read the NRL report for info .
Says the one that regularly posts articles 8 plus years old & sticks by them!

It’s been proven time and time again the nrlol annual report numbers are fudged far worse than their crowd number to beyond belief


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:54 am did it not state 210 Clubs across all levels.. for the state of Victoria >>

It said teams I think. So one club may have 10 teams .


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Beaussie wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:02 am
Fred wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:57 pm How many actual clubs are there. Years ago there were about 13 or 14 across the whole state (although maybe some border ones?). Makes it hard to play if you’re travelling across the country side to play. There are or was large regions without a rl team such as Gippsland. Had this changed? Comparing that the to spread of afl across the country shows there’s a long way for rl to go I think.
17 clubs in the entire state of Victoria. :shock:

http://www.vrl.leaguenet.com.au/

It's proving really difficult to find participation numbers for NRL VIC. Anyone else had any luck?

Me thinks the Victorian Rugby League participant numbers are truly awful and embarrassing, hence them not being reported or easily accessible. The best I could find was an article from 2017 with the Melbourne Storm coach stating among other things how envious he is of how the AFL supports its clubs in non-traditional areas.

There appears to be very little interest in the development of rugby league in Victoria.
Non-traditional rugby league areas need more support from NRL
By Craig Bellamy
August 26, 2017


By way of example, the under-16s, under-18s and under-20s representative teams in Victoria have nowhere to train in the off-season, as things currently stand. There’s no ground they call “home” so you can understand that’s far from ideal.

In 2006, there were 600 people playing rugby league in Victoria. Fast forward 10 years and in 2017, that number has grown to almost 4000. There has been an increase in junior participation for every year for 11 consecutive seasons.

I’ve always looked enviously at the way the AFL supports its clubs in non-traditional areas, such as GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns. They get help through the draft with their recruitment. If the Suns have some good local players they get to keep the top five from their area, so they don’t go into the draft.

It’s well documented the AFL has put about $20 million into each club, so they can develop their young talent through high-quality training academies. I understand our game’s finances are not in a position to do that, but certainly we should be seeing the benefits of a similar academy in Victoria, particularly as the Storm celebrate 20 years next year.

The Storm will next year appoint a pathways coach to assist talented local players, but as I said earlier, right now, young Victorian league players in rep teams haven’t got a place to train in the off-season.

They put a proposal to us about a fortnight ago, asking if they could train on our ground — Gosch’s Paddock — once a week in the pre-season.

But Storm share that with the Melbourne Rebels, therefore the traffic on that field doesn’t make it a viable option.

Every suburb in Melbourne has a junior Aussie rules club. But for rugby league in Melbourne, there’s not those kind of numbers. So many of these junior league players have to travel great distances to train and play.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/ ... 48211e2c91

17 clubs. That shows a bit of. Which is good. Still it is only one league and when you compare this to say even Sydney for afl you can see a massive difference. I think there are a few leagues in and around Sydney for instance ... especially juniors. I think Tassie doesn’t even have a league for rl ... I think it did but folded however this may have changed. Wonder what SA is like? WA I believe have a decent grassroots.


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Rugby league 2018 Report still doesn't show Numbers for Victoria..
just had a quick read, unless i missed it..


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:22 pm Rugby league 2018 Report still doesn't show Numbers for Victoria..
just had a quick read, unless i missed it..

With only 17 clubs I can’t see it being a massive numbers


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Fred wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:04 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:22 pm Rugby league 2018 Report still doesn't show Numbers for Victoria..
just had a quick read, unless i missed it..

With only 17 clubs I can’t see it being a massive numbers
Looks like there is more than 17 clubs In Victoria >

I think there is 17 clubs in Melbourne but overall Victoria there is more judging by WIKI

40 plus it looks like>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRL_Victoria


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:25 pm
Fred wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:04 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:22 pm Rugby league 2018 Report still doesn't show Numbers for Victoria..
just had a quick read, unless i missed it..

With only 17 clubs I can’t see it being a massive numbers
Looks like there is more than 17 clubs In Victoria >

I think there is 17 clubs in Melbourne but overall Victoria there is more judging by WIKI

40 plus it looks like>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRL_Victoria
Not sure you should trust Wikipedia

The NRL Victoria homepage shows just 17 clubs in Victoria.
Playing

To register as a player, please head to the NRL Victoria Club Locator to find your closest NRL Victoria Club.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 99996&z=10


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Beaussie wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:48 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:25 pm
Fred wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:04 pm


With only 17 clubs I can’t see it being a massive numbers
Looks like there is more than 17 clubs In Victoria >

I think there is 17 clubs in Melbourne but overall Victoria there is more judging by WIKI

40 plus it looks like>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRL_Victoria
Not sure you should trust Wikipedia

The NRL Victoria homepage shows just 17 clubs in Victoria.
Playing

To register as a player, please head to the NRL Victoria Club Locator to find your closest NRL Victoria Club.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 99996&z=10
yeah i checked it out.. all clubs were pretty much in Melbourne Metro.

so i would assume there would be Clubs outside of Melbourne..
how much i do not know.


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:50 pm
Beaussie wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:48 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:25 pm

Looks like there is more than 17 clubs In Victoria >

I think there is 17 clubs in Melbourne but overall Victoria there is more judging by WIKI

40 plus it looks like>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRL_Victoria
Not sure you should trust Wikipedia

The NRL Victoria homepage shows just 17 clubs in Victoria.
Playing

To register as a player, please head to the NRL Victoria Club Locator to find your closest NRL Victoria Club.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 99996&z=10
yeah i checked it out.. all clubs were pretty much in Melbourne Metro.

so i would assume there would be Clubs outside of Melbourne..
how much i do not know.
Gees it's so difficult to find current information regarding RL clubs in Victoria. Even the original Wikipedia link you provided shows many clubs and competitions are now defunct. The PlayNRL website is virtually useless too even if you find a club it has no further information about divisions or even how to join. :roll:


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notaleaguefan wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:26 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:49 am Lol 2 year old article .
Read the NRL report for info .
Says the one that regularly posts articles 8 plus years old & sticks by them!

It’s been proven time and time again the nrlol annual report numbers are fudged far worse than their crowd number to beyond belief
This'll be good .
Seeing as you can t show proof for crowd fudging when asked repeatedly
Please show proof of this proven fudged report numbers .
No deflection please
Justpost the proof


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Compared to the presence of AFL/Australian Rules in NSW and QLD - where it is quite prevalent, the NRL/RL people really need to address this. Maybe its a slow burn - who knows but this is definetely one area they need to work on if they want to make the game of RL national.


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