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Striker wrote:
That is the biggest load of crap I've ever read! Drug companies still bribe doctors today! They do it under the table! I suggest you re-educate yourself and it starts with these sites.

http://www.naturalnews.com
http://www.avn.org.au

So stop it with your rubbish. I'll bet you're not even qualified to put out medical publications!

AVN looks like a bunch of wack jobs (at first glance). People who dont vacinate are doing not only their children a disservice but the community as a whole.
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piesman2011 wrote:
Striker wrote:
That is the biggest load of crap I've ever read! Drug companies still bribe doctors today! They do it under the table! I suggest you re-educate yourself and it starts with these sites.

http://www.naturalnews.com
http://www.avn.org.au

So stop it with your rubbish. I'll bet you're not even qualified to put out medical publications!

AVN looks like a bunch of wack jobs (at first glance). People who dont vacinate are doing not only their children a disservice but the community as a whole.
Correct. Vaccinations do come with a very small risk. But the risk of not vaccinating mankind against these insidious diseases is a far greater risk. Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children are benefitting from the results of vaccination but are unwilling to accept the small risk we all take in controlling these diseases. Poor form.
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Boy do we have a pack of suckers or what? Holy hell even TL posted.

Vaccines cause Autism. That's been established for a start.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/ital ... utism.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_vacci ... Pedia.html

Vaccines contain a plethora of toxic rubbish including chicken blood. No one with any sense wants that in their bloodstream! Look at the list of ingredients and you'll be shocked at what you're pumping into via vaccines! The AVN is a terrific information hub and Fair Trading will be chased off soon enough.

The best remedies are natural. The only time I'll accept a doctor is for bone breaks and muscle snaps.
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Boy do we have a pack of suckers or what? Holy hell even TL posted.

Vaccines cause Autism. That's been established for a start.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/ital ... utism.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_vacci ... Pedia.html

Vaccines contain a plethora of toxic rubbish including chicken blood. No one with any sense wants that in their bloodstream! Look at the list of ingredients and you'll be shocked at what you're pumping into via vaccines! The AVN is a terrific information hub and Fair Trading will be chased off soon enough.

The best remedies are natural. The only time I'll accept a doctor is for bone breaks and muscle snaps.
Thats interesting....vaccinations cause autism :-k

I wonder why none of my kids are autistic, or in fact any of my freinds kids, or in fact any person that I personally know?

Can you explain that?

http://www.babycenter.com/0_vaccines-an ... 1470554.bc
This controversy has been raging for some time, with government and mainstream scientists on one side, and several small but vocal advocacy groups on the other. And many parents have been left feeling confused and frightened about their children's health.

The advocacy groups say that thimerosal, a preservative used in vaccines, is toxic to the central nervous system and responsible for an alarming rise in rates of autism among children in the United States and around the world. Most scientists say there's no credible scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism.

Over the last 15 years, a number of major medical institutions have reviewed the evidence from the United States and abroad, and all have concluded that there's no link between autism and exposure to thimerosal. What's more, the preservative has been removed from most childhood vaccines in the United States.
More enlightening reading : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-01-06/a ... ud/1896798
A 1998 study that unleashed a major health scare by linking childhood autism to a triple vaccine was "an elaborate fraud," the British Medical Journal (BMJ) said.
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full
Twenty epidemiologic studies have shown that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism. These studies have been performed in several countries by many different investigators who have employed a multitude of epidemiologic and statistical methods. The large size of the studied populations has afforded a level of statistical power sufficient to detect even rare associations. These studies, in concert with the biological implausibility that vaccines overwhelm a child's immune system, have effectively dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism. Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads.
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The best remedies are natural. The only time I'll accept a doctor is for bone breaks and muscle snaps.
So how do you plan to manage your own care when you develop a stroke, heart attack, renal colic, cholitheliasis, cancer, ulcer, diabetes, hyperthyroidism, viral meningitis, pneumonia, spontaneous pneumothorax, ulcerative colitis, peripheral vascular disease etc etc...?

Should be interesting without a doctor :-k
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You can link as many studies as you like, X! A COURT ruled each and every one of those studies WRONG!! Doctor Andrew Wakefield, one of the non corrupt ones, was screwed out of his license in England thanks to a paid off journo named Brian Deer. Andrew has a lawsuit going against Deer and the British Medical Journal and he'll win.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034629_Andre ... _Deer.html

Your kids were either lucky, or they weren't vaccinated. Or you don't have kids. Here is some REAL info!

http://www.vacfacts.info/

All the natural stuff I rely on will prevent each of those conditions.
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Striker wrote:
You can link as many studies as you like, X! A COURT ruled each and every one of those studies WRONG!! Doctor Andrew Wakefield, one of the non corrupt ones, was screwed out of his license in England thanks to a paid off journo named Brian Deer. Andrew has a lawsuit going against Deer and the British Medical Journal and he'll win.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034629_Andre ... _Deer.html

Your kids were either lucky, or they weren't vaccinated. Or you don't have kids. Here is some REAL info!

http://www.vacfacts.info/

All the natural stuff I rely on will prevent each of those conditions.
OMG! My kids werent vaccinated or lucky............................ :lol: :lol:

What about every other vaccinated kid in the country? Where are the plethora of Autistic kids? :lol:

What about the Oxford Journal that reviewed 20 studies from many countries produced by different investigators? No Link to Autism, none.

I have a number of GP freinds. All I have spoken to say NONE of their MANY patients have developed Autism after vaccination.

Please explain..... :roll:
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They're lying. As all doctors who support vaccines do. Did you even read my links? Especially the second one? Fact - if those 20 studies meant anything, there wouldn't have been a court decision that says that vaccines DO cause Autism?

YOU explain THAT!
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I'LL explain it, Striker! It was ITALIAN! AND it's being appealled against!

And I'll also explain that second link by telling you to read this about it's owner!
http://www.philgluyas.com/as/e/hubbs.htm

As for that reflection about the ingredients, do tell me if you drink water or consume salt.

Xman is right. The prevalence of Autism is around 1 in 100. If vaccines caused Autism if would be 1 to 1!!
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Striker wrote:
They're lying. As all doctors who support vaccines do. Did you even read my links? Especially the second one? Fact - if those 20 studies meant anything, there wouldn't have been a court decision that says that vaccines DO cause Autism?

YOU explain THAT!
If vaccinations cause Autism then why isn't the world filled with The autistic? :roll: after all, vaccination rates are so high the data is all there, and if the link was substantial the evidence would be clear for all to see.

The fact is almost every treatment has a low risk of complications. When the benefits far out way the complications the treatment is appropriate, as is definately the case with vaccinations.
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TLPG wrote:
I'LL explain it, Striker! It was ITALIAN! AND it's being appealled against!

And I'll also explain that second link by telling you to read this about it's owner!
http://www.philgluyas.com/as/e/hubbs.htm

As for that reflection about the ingredients, do tell me if you drink water or consume salt.

Xman is right. The prevalence of Autism is around 1 in 100. If vaccines caused Autism if would be 1 to 1!!
First off, that article you linked is slander!

Second, what is wrong with water or salt?

Third, until there's a succesful appeal, the decision stands!

X, the prevalance of Autism 20 years ago was 1 in 10,000. It's now 1 in 100 like TL said. Cause? In the last twenty years vaccine numbers have INCREASED! Low risk? As that loudmouth you have on the AFL side of the fence likes to say, "Pig's Arse!"
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Striker wrote:
Boy do we have a pack of suckers or what? Holy hell even TL posted.

Vaccines cause Autism. That's been established for a start.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/ital ... utism.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_vacci ... Pedia.html

Vaccines contain a plethora of toxic rubbish including chicken blood. No one with any sense wants that in their bloodstream! Look at the list of ingredients and you'll be shocked at what you're pumping into via vaccines! The AVN is a terrific information hub and Fair Trading will be chased off soon enough.

The best remedies are natural. The only time I'll accept a doctor is for bone breaks and muscle snaps.

What you believe in Autism? I thought you would just give them some drugs and cure it,thus proving it doesnt exist.
Using natural news as a quote is the same and not quoting.
So you have one court case that suggests that a vaccine may have caused autism, compared to millions of deaths world wide proven to have come from smallpox, hooping cough, ect.
Have you ever studied immunology? I have a major in it as part of my university degree. Educate yourself at uni not on the internet. IMO the AVN is doing more harm then many terriorist groups and may in the end cause more damage.
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Striker wrote:
They're lying. As all doctors who support vaccines do. Did you even read my links? Especially the second one? Fact - if those 20 studies meant anything, there wouldn't have been a court decision that says that vaccines DO cause Autism?

YOU explain THAT!

Here is a more plausable explaination. We are now diagnosing people with autism a lot more then 20 years ago, autism has a very broad spectrum. 20 years ago the slighty dumb or weird kid is now days the kid with mild spectrum autism or Aspergers. I work with these kids every day. Even if the cause of autism is associated with enviromental factors there is much more research suggesting that it is caused by diet or gut microbiotia.
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Piesman, I've come across numerous lunatics like Striker on this subject - they don't listen!
First off, that article you linked is slander!
Every word of it is either true and verifiable - or personal opinion based in said truth.
Second, what is wrong with water or salt?
You were the one who brought up individual ingredients, right? Would you consider Hydrogen dangerous? Of course you would. And yet there's hydrogen in water! H2O! Would you consider Chlorine dangerous? Naturally. And yet it's contained in salt! Sodium CHLORIDE!! The point is that when an ingredient is contained in a chemical mixture it loses whatever toxic qualities it has! That's the primary reason why vaccines are safe and do NOT cause Autism!
Third, until there's a succesful appeal, the decision stands!
No, the decision doesn't stand until after all the statutes of limitations are exhausted.
X, the prevalance of Autism 20 years ago was 1 in 10,000. It's now 1 in 100 like TL said. Cause? In the last twenty years vaccine numbers have INCREASED! Low risk? As that loudmouth you have on the AFL side of the fence likes to say, "Pig's Arse!"
The jump was in 1994. The cause? The DSM-IV. Asperger's Syndrome was included for the first time and it expanded the Autistic Spectrum massively, leading to many DX's changing from Mental Retardation to ASD and others coming onto the Spectrum for the first time. The jump had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with vaccines!

Boy I'm fired up!!

Edit - Hey why aren't the quotes working??

Admin - You had Disable BBCode selected in your profile. Quotes should work fine for you now.
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TLPG wrote:
Piesman, I've come across numerous lunatics like Striker on this subject - they don't listen!
First off, that article you linked is slander!
Every word of it is either true and verifiable - or personal opinion based in said truth.
Second, what is wrong with water or salt?
You were the one who brought up individual ingredients, right? Would you consider Hydrogen dangerous? Of course you would. And yet there's hydrogen in water! H2O! Would you consider Chlorine dangerous? Naturally. And yet it's contained in salt! Sodium CHLORIDE!! The point is that when an ingredient is contained in a chemical mixture it loses whatever toxic qualities it has! That's the primary reason why vaccines are safe and do NOT cause Autism!
Third, until there's a succesful appeal, the decision stands!
No, the decision doesn't stand until after all the statutes of limitations are exhausted.
X, the prevalance of Autism 20 years ago was 1 in 10,000. It's now 1 in 100 like TL said. Cause? In the last twenty years vaccine numbers have INCREASED! Low risk? As that loudmouth you have on the AFL side of the fence likes to say, "Pig's Arse!"
The jump was in 1994. The cause? The DSM-IV. Asperger's Syndrome was included for the first time and it expanded the Autistic Spectrum massively, leading to many DX's changing from Mental Retardation to ASD and others coming onto the Spectrum for the first time. The jump had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with vaccines!

Boy I'm fired up!!

Edit - Hey why aren't the quotes working??
Good post. But you are right there is probabaly no point arguing. There is no getting though to the pig headed when they are poorly educated.
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