There is no denying NRL field goals are more difficult and skillful than AFL goal scoring.

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There is no denying NRL field goals are more difficult and skillful than AFL goal scoring.

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NRL - You have to kick a goal over a crossbar and 40 metres away to get 2 points.

AFL You can kick a ball along the ground through a goal with no crossbar and you get 6 points.

NRL You get 1 point for a field goal inside the 40.

AFL You get 1 point if you miss and you get 1 point if it hits the side post. You have no crossbar to kick over either.

NRL There are never any points given if you miss, hit the side post, or go below the crossbar. But in AFL all these are point scorers.

There is no denying the field goal in NRL is more difficult than AFL goal scoring.
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What a revelation!

Maybe, just maybe that's why the AFL is far higher scoring!
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NlolRL wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:42 pm
What a revelation!

Maybe, just maybe that's why the AFL is far higher scoring!
Why don't AFL make their goal scoring system more difficult like the NRL field goals?
Then only the best kickers will score.
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Some of the best goals in afl are kicked from crazy angles which a cross bar would take out of the game. Also, if you mark the ball on the goal line or received a handball you’d have to go further out to kick it over. I think trying to evaluate one game based on the rules of another you are familiar with doesn’t really work. It was a mistake I used to make and occasionally still do which got or gets in the way of enjoying it for what it is.

They did trial a 9 point goal when kicked from outside 50 metres which had some merit but the thing is a goal from outside 50 can be an easier shot at goal then say from the boundary 20 out from an acute angle.
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NRL&NFLweLaughATAFL2 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 9:55 am
NlolRL wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:42 pm
What a revelation!

Maybe, just maybe that's why the AFL is far higher scoring!
Why don't AFL make their goal scoring system more difficult like the NRL field goals?
Then only the best kickers will score.
Scoring in soccer is very difficult. Problem is one side can have 100 shots at goal and the other 10, yet both end up with 2 goals each. If scoring is easier the side that has 100 shots will more likely be the winner, therefore it rewards the side which wins the contests over the entire ground, not just the side that scores from limited opportunities
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Fred wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:11 am
Some of the best goals in afl are kicked from crazy angles which a cross bar would take out of the game. Also, if you mark the ball on the goal line or received a handball you’d have to go further out to kick it over. I think trying to evaluate one game based on the rules of another you are familiar with doesn’t really work. It was a mistake I used to make and occasionally still do which got or gets in the way of enjoying it for what it is.

They did trial a 9 point goal when kicked from outside 50 metres which had some merit but the thing is a goal from outside 50 can be an easier shot at goal then say from the boundary 20 out from an acute angle.
That does make sense. But I still think the side goals should go. People should not be rewarded when they miss.
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I see your point (pardon the pun) but I think the point actually adds a great dynamic to the game… both rewards and punishes. Too many points you waste your opportunities and could lose but also rewards the attacking team.
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6 points in a goal.


Decided on Friday 26/2/1897

The below was reported in several newspapers of the time, including all the colonies, but below are the best I could cut and paste

Coolgardie Mining Review Saturday 3rd April 1897

“THE VICTORIAN GAME.

The New Victorian Football League has been making radical alterations in the rules of the Australian game, with the object of rendering it more attractive to watch. For several seasons the downward trend of the game has been unmistakeable.”

“Another decide innovation is that which elevates behinds from meaningless addenda into tangible items in the score. It has been enacted that the side securing the greater number of points will win the match, and that a goal shall count six to points, and a behind one." To apportion fair values to goals and behinds respectively proved a delicate undertaking , and the ratio of six to one was adopted after long and careful consideration. Law 5 states that " a behind shall be scored when the ball is kicked or forced behind without striking either of the behind posts;" and law 7 enacts that a behind shall be counted when the ball strikes a goal-post, or is touched at the mark, or in transit before passing between the posts."”

From the Evening Journal Adelaide Saturday 20th March 1897, which contains the above with this addition

“The trouble was to secure for behinds just so much recognition as would compensate the attacking party without offering an inducement to defenders to help the ball behind.”

Before this, although behinds were recorded and reported, they had no scoring value. Many of the reporters of the day wrote that they should be counted and wrote of moral victories which may have given impetus to the New League, as they also changed some other rules that were not popular with the press

That’s it, that’s why and let’s leave it as it is and not change the scoring system as many times as rugby and league have to give value to things that once didn’t have any.
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Quolls2019 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:20 pm
6 points in a goal.


Decided on Friday 26/2/1897

The below was reported in several newspapers of the time, including all the colonies, but below are the best I could cut and paste

Coolgardie Mining Review Saturday 3rd April 1897

“THE VICTORIAN GAME.

The New Victorian Football League has been making radical alterations in the rules of the Australian game, with the object of rendering it more attractive to watch. For several seasons the downward trend of the game has been unmistakeable.”

“Another decide innovation is that which elevates behinds from meaningless addenda into tangible items in the score. It has been enacted that the side securing the greater number of points will win the match, and that a goal shall count six to points, and a behind one." To apportion fair values to goals and behinds respectively proved a delicate undertaking , and the ratio of six to one was adopted after long and careful consideration. Law 5 states that " a behind shall be scored when the ball is kicked or forced behind without striking either of the behind posts;" and law 7 enacts that a behind shall be counted when the ball strikes a goal-post, or is touched at the mark, or in transit before passing between the posts."”

From the Evening Journal Adelaide Saturday 20th March 1897, which contains the above with this addition

“The trouble was to secure for behinds just so much recognition as would compensate the attacking party without offering an inducement to defenders to help the ball behind.”

Before this, although behinds were recorded and reported, they had no scoring value. Many of the reporters of the day wrote that they should be counted and wrote of moral victories which may have given impetus to the New League, as they also changed some other rules that were not popular with the press

That’s it, that’s why and let’s leave it as it is and not change the scoring system as many times as rugby and league have to give value to things that once didn’t have any.
So has been like that for over a 100 years. Interesting read.
Is funny, I heard that Aussie Rules and Rugby League were looking at becoming a combined sport till world war 2 happened.
Then all plans were abandoned after the war.
No idea how they could have done it.
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NRL&NFLweLaughATAFL2 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:24 pm
Quolls2019 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:20 pm
6 points in a goal.


Decided on Friday 26/2/1897

The below was reported in several newspapers of the time, including all the colonies, but below are the best I could cut and paste

Coolgardie Mining Review Saturday 3rd April 1897

“THE VICTORIAN GAME.

The New Victorian Football League has been making radical alterations in the rules of the Australian game, with the object of rendering it more attractive to watch. For several seasons the downward trend of the game has been unmistakeable.”

“Another decide innovation is that which elevates behinds from meaningless addenda into tangible items in the score. It has been enacted that the side securing the greater number of points will win the match, and that a goal shall count six to points, and a behind one." To apportion fair values to goals and behinds respectively proved a delicate undertaking , and the ratio of six to one was adopted after long and careful consideration. Law 5 states that " a behind shall be scored when the ball is kicked or forced behind without striking either of the behind posts;" and law 7 enacts that a behind shall be counted when the ball strikes a goal-post, or is touched at the mark, or in transit before passing between the posts."”

From the Evening Journal Adelaide Saturday 20th March 1897, which contains the above with this addition

“The trouble was to secure for behinds just so much recognition as would compensate the attacking party without offering an inducement to defenders to help the ball behind.”

Before this, although behinds were recorded and reported, they had no scoring value. Many of the reporters of the day wrote that they should be counted and wrote of moral victories which may have given impetus to the New League, as they also changed some other rules that were not popular with the press

That’s it, that’s why and let’s leave it as it is and not change the scoring system as many times as rugby and league have to give value to things that once didn’t have any.
So has been like that for over a 100 years. Interesting read.
Is funny, I head that Aussie Rules and Rugby League were looking at becoming a combined sport till world war 2 happened.
Then all plans were abandoned after the war.
No idea how they could have done it.
There were several attempts at merging the rules of rugby league and Australian Rules. The most serious in the late 1930’s but even as recently as the 1960’s. I do have some notes about all attempts somewhere, I will try to find.
2 little publicised events were rules changes proposed and accepted by the VFA in 1896 and the newly formed VFL in 1897 that were overruled by both bodies before the 1897 season started.


The Age
26/9/1897
Victorian Football Association
PROPOSED ALTERATION OF
RULES.
IMPORTANT AMENDMENTS.
The sub-committee appointed to draw up a
set of amendments in the rules of the Victorian
Football Association submitted their proposals
at a meeting of the association (held last evening at
Young and Jackson's Hotel, Swanston-street.
Mr. E. L. Wilson was voted to the chair.
The Secretary (Mr. T. S. . Marshall) stated
that the sub-committee, which comprised himself
and Messrs, J. J. Trait, C. G. Wilson and ,
N. J. Fitzpatrick, had discussed the rules at
great length and done their work with all possible
care. They desired the association to
refrain from discussing the proposals until they
had been printed and considered by members
individually. Some important changes wore
proposed, and opportunity for a full consideration
of them should be allowed. It was
proposed to reduce the number of players
in a team from 20 to 18 ; to abolish behinds ; to
connect the goal posts at either end by a cross
bar 10 feet from the ground, over which the ball
must be kicked in order to score, and to erect a
post in a straight line on either side of the goal
posts and be separated from them by 10 yards, the
intervening spaces to be called the goal line.
The principal laws amended read as follows
A goal shall be won when the ball is kicked
between the goal posts and over the cross bar with
out touching either of them or any player after
being kicked.
When a goal is kicked the ball shall be taken to
the centre of the ground and be there bounced by
the field umpire. The players shall not cross over,
but keep their position in the field.
When the ball goes out of bounds it shall be
brought back to the spot where it crossed the
boundary line, and be there thrown in by the field
and immediately the ball leaves the
umpire's hands it shall be in play. Should the ball
strike the cross bar or either of the goal posts, or
be kicked or forced over the goal line (except when a
goal is registered), the field umpire shall throw the
ball in from the 10 yards post nearest to the spot
where the ball crossed the line.
Any player catching the ball directly from the
foot of another player not less than 10 yards distant
shall be allowed a kick in any direction from any
spot behind where he caught the ball, no player
being allowed to come over that spot or within 10
yards in any other direction.
Should a player wilfully waste time the field
umpire shall instruct the timekeeper to add such
time on, and besides award a free kick to the
opposing player nearest to the spot where the
offence takes place. The offending player or
players shall be reported to and be dealt with by
the association, and should a player unduly interfere
with a man while kicking for goal, he shall be
reported to the association.
The distance for bouncing the ball when a player
is running with it is increased from 7 to 10 yards.
While being held, if the player does not drop the
ball, a free kick shall be given to the man who holds
him. If the player be deliberately held back or
thrown after he has dropped the ball, he shall be
awarded a free kick.
Charging a player when he is standing still or
when in the air going for a mark is prohibited, and
a free kick given against any player infringing the
rule.
The time for each quarter in the playing of the
game is extended from 25 to 35 minutes, and at half
time tho interval is increased from 10 to 15
minutes.
Mr. Trait, in briefly discussing the alterations,
said the committee thought it desirable to
take as much discretionary power out of the
hands of umpires as possible ; and to reduce
"crowding" by taking four men— two from
either side— out of every match, and by fixing
marks at 10 yards. It had been altogether too
easy to obtain marks and free kicks. It was
almost true, as somebody had said, that a man
could hardly wink at another without giving
cause for a free kick. (Laughter.) The abolition
of behinds had been long urged by many
players and spectators and by the press.
It was decided to have the new rules printed
and distributed among the members of the association.”


The VFL proposed and accepted, then overruled, the same rule changes.

The crossbar and the teams lining up opposite each other at centre ball ups would have bought it a bit closer to rugby as played at the time.

Some of the proposed rules were implemented for the 1897 season or soon after, team sizes, 10 yard bouncing the ball and the 10 yard mark.
And of course behinds we’re not abolished but given a 1 point value.
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Code amalgamation bits and pieces I have found but not my notes I was looking for.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... an%20rules


Sydney Mail 22/9/1908

PB0P0SED AMALGAMATION.
RUGBY LEAGUE— AUSTRALIAN RULES.
Tbe carnival to be held in Melbourne during August
promises to be the biggest thing yet attempted in
Australia. In New South Wales and Queensland Rugby
holds sway greatly over the games that lead in the
other States, and consequently the event is not, in
the States mentioned, attracting much notice, beyond
tlie Australian rules players. The team to represent
Queensland in the interstate championship is: — J. Hay,
M. Hicks, E. Miller, A. M'Gregor, T. Morris, V.
Lowndes, M. A. O'Dwyer, J. Greenwood, J. Ken, W.
TIT Po rrof _T WoWnmann .T W'TlAMRfiDlf
L. Perkins, H. Parker, L. Kelly, A. Bolton, H. Hop
kins, R. M'Kellar (captain), H. Coatcs, A. Atkinson,
B. Watts. Emergencies, M. Cooper, A. Tipper, J.
Hicksey, E. Watson.
A conference is to be held at Melbourne on August
17, which will, be attended by delegates from the
Autralian States and New Zealand. One very im
portant matter will come before the conference on the
initiative of Mr. J. J. Giltinan, who proposes an amal
gamation between the Australian and the Rugby League
game. Quite a number of letters have been written
to the Australasian Football Council, and the result
is that the delegates will meet a representative Of the
New South Wales Rugby League in conference.
The proposed alterations, however, as can be gather
ed do not intend to interfere with the off-side rule, ?
nor with tackling. A goal may be kicked with a
punt, a drop, or a place kick. Scrums will be
minimised, and the ball when legally kicked out _ of
bounds will be Bcmmmed. Tbe off-side proposal will,
of course, block the hand-balling of the Australian
game, unless ttie ball is passed back. The number of
players a side is proposed to be thirteen, the present
Rugby League number. There lias been for some yearn
an agitation in other States where the Australian game
holds sway for a bar from post to post, and the ball for
goal to be kicked over it; it is proposed to have one in
the new Rugbv-Australian code. The game will be
played in four quarters, and points will be scored as
at Rugby, behinds being ignored. The rock the move
ment is likely to Eplit upon, from an Australian stand
point, is the suggestion to introduce off-side. If there
is one thing Victorians have no time for it is that.
Mr. Giltinan 'a idea is to bring about a universal
game, which is wanted. In nearly every country
where football is played: there are several codes of
rules. In New South Wales we have four — Rugby
Union, Rugby League, Australian game, and British
Association. What a splendid thing it would be it
the lot were one game. At present it seems impos
sible for the league as at present constituted and the
Australian people to come together. In Victoria the
game is amateur; the league here is professional. How
that difference in the constitution is to be overcome
cannot be seen at present, unless the Rugby League
proposes to run an amateur section.
The Victorian people are so wedded to their game
that it seems impossible for the faintest
hope of the proposed amalgamation meeting
with any success at all. Mr. Giltinan has other pro
posals beyond those already mentioned to lay before
the conference, but lie is not prepaTed just now to
make public. He, however, lives in the hope that b«
may persuade the Australasian Football Council to
send a delegate to England, presumably for tbe pur
pose of laying before the English bodies the point* -
in the Australian game.


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... an%20rules

Forbes Advocate
14/7/1933
FOOTBALL MERGER
Rugby League and
Australian Rules
If plans which are now afoot
are realised, a fusion may be
, brought about between Rugby
League and Australian Rules foot
ballers whereby a most spectac
ular combination of each game
would be incorporated wit"
Inauguration of -a National code
of football in Australia.
The scheme, which was nionlioiHKl
before the war, has .now been reviv
ed, principally as a result of the see;
retary of the New South Wales Hug-
by League, Mr. H. R. Miller, conferr
ing with the secretary of the Austral
ian National Football League, Mr.
Hlckey, during a trip from Melbourne
to Sydney during last week-end.
Mr. Miller told delegates at the
New South "Wales Rugby League
meeting on Monday that the League
authorities had agreed to a confer
ence in Sydney with the Australian
National Football League.
The sponsors of the scheme believe
that in time the English League
might be enticed do adopt the new
and most spectacular code and that
it would later , spread to other coun
tries. The idea behind the proposal Is
to play matches on the Sheffield
Shield basis, with possible tests be
tween England, Australia and other
nations which might adopt the code.



https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... an%20rules

The (Adelaide) Advertiser

13/7/33

PROPOSED MERGER
OF FOOTBALL CODES
Points Which Would Have To
Be Overcome
EFFECT OF OFFSIDE RULE
By "ROVER"
The suggestion that Australian
rules and Rugby League football
authorities should confer in Syd-
ney during the Australian rules
carnival early next month, with the
object of amalgamating the two codes,
was widely discussed by footballers yes-
terday, but as there are few people in
Adelaide who have played, or have a
sound knowledge of, both codes, no defi-
nite opinion could be obtained as to the
feasibility of a merger between the two
games.
Older officials recalled that an at-
tempt had been made to reach an agree-
ment on the point nearly 20 years ago,
but there were stumbling blocks, not
the least of which was the off side rule
in Rugby, which held up negotiations.
Finally the outberak of war put an end
to the amalgamation movement.
The secretary of the Football League
(Mr. F. Marlow), who has been con-
nected with the South Australian con-
trolling body longer than any other
delegate or official, remembers the pro-
posals made in 1914, and expressed the
opinion yesterday that though a con-
ference between the two bodies would
do no harm, there was little possibility
of any tangible result being reached.
League delegates and former League
footballers, nearly all of whom are totally
ignorant of Rugby League rules, ex-
pressed similar opinions, the general
feeling being that the ideal of a national
game of football which would enable
the huge football-loving crowds of
New South Wales and Queensland to
join forces with the Australian rules
enthusiasts In Victoria, South Aus-
tralia, Western Australia, and Tas-
mania, justified any attempt at amalga-
mation.
Jim Handby, former interstate
player, expressed the opinion that it
was a commendable step towards uni-
formity of football codes in Australia.
The Australian game and Rugby had a
number of points of similarity, and yet
had others so far apart that it was dif-
ficult to imagine an affiliation. Tour-
ing teams, playing the new game,
would attract tremendous crowds
throughout the Commonwealth, but
there would be great difficulty in mak-
ing an international game out of it.
Rugby Point Of View
There is no Rugby League organisa-
tion in South Australia. When the
game was started in Adelaide last year,
it was decided to play the Union code,
which is purely amateur, but the
league rules were evolved from the
Union game, and have few important
differences. Opinion in Adelaide Rugby
circles is that if the proposed merger
did take place, it might be a good thing
for Rugby Union, which is already
established in all the capital cities of
Australia, and which would probably go
ahead still further while the other
games were in a disorganised condition
owing to the change.
Spectacular phases of Rugby, com-
mon to the League and Union codes,
are tackling the man with the ball,
passing movements, and the ability to
run with the ball without any restric-
tion such as bouncing it.
A fundamental difference from the
Australian game is the operation of the
off-side rule. This rule provides that
a man must not get in front of the
ball. A player cannot wait up the
field for a man on his side to kick it
to him, as in Australian rules foot-
ball. Generally speaking, if he is in
front, he must wait till the kicker is
level with him before he follows up the
ball. Passing forward is not allowed,
but passing movements along a line
of men. and straight running, are
other features of Rugby.
Tackling And High Marking
One of the most spectacular phases
of Rugby is tackling. A Rugby player
said yesterday that it would be impos-
sible to incorporate this feature in the
proposed code if high marking was also
included. Hard tackling is quite safe
if the man tackled is running along
the ground, but would be extremely
dangerous if done to a man flying high
for a ball.


Referee Sydney
7/4/1938
UTOPIAN MERGE!
Australian Rules and
Rugby League
The hardy annual. Suggested
in Sydney newspapers that
the throw-pass to he played by
the Victorian Association indicates that Australian Rules and
Rugby League will some day
merge into one game with the
millions hanging on the gates.
Just Utopian.
International football Is not
possible with a hybrid game. It
is possible in Melbourne only if
the Victorian Association adopts
Rugby League holus-bolus.
Even then, It will mean little
since the Victorian League and
its clubs are THE game in Mel
bourne.
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Thank god this Never gained any traction.
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pussycat Mark 11 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:10 am
Thank god this Never gained any traction.
The only thing that stopped it was a world war.

Would have ended up like the NFL with 30 plus teams and a football code superpower dominant throughout the nation.

I wouldn't mind seeing them trying to play this game now with the best of AFL vs the best of NRL. Ratings would be huge.
The rivalry would be more fierce than origin.
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