Talking Footy

AFLcrap1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:09 pm

What a fucking rambling waffle about the usual afl fans are superior crap .

Fred wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 pm

Firstly... no one from fox has stated they think they paid overs. No one.

Secondly, there is more than just ratings as some have said. Afl viewers. There may be numerous things. As for ratings... no one here seems to agree and the nuances te ratings when things like when played at the same time, length of game (more minutes filled), more games per round, may be factors. I am sure all this is factored in. I think the afl support shows also rate very well and afl have a desecrated chennel for many years as a selling point. But whatever it is,,,, I’m sure this is all factored in... not just simple ratings .... is it a hugh difference anyway. But when you can fill more minutes surely that is a factor. Afl also has a much broader National reach. Let’s be real for once... rl outside nsw and qld is virtually non existent ... there are many people playing it or invested in it whereas Aussie rules has a significant presence ... just look at how many leagues and clubs are in nsw and qls compared to Rl clubs outside nsw and qld. That is simply a fact ... I know the usual suspects will try and deny this or try and twist this but we all know that is simply the reality.

So there are many factors that are likely taken into consideration when considering how much something is worth. Is this the first deal fox has had with the afl?

You would also have to wonder whether the afl demographic is more valuable ? Are afl viewers seen as bigger spenders, do the products they tend to buy attract better advertisers ... is showing an ad to an afl viewer more valuable than showing one to an nrl viewer. Is a certain age group more likely to watch afl than nrl ... and is that age group worth more (more likely to soend?).

Anyway....this is just to illustrate that straight out ratings may not be the only factor ... they are examples to illustrate a point so don’t take them literally.

Fred wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:20 pm

Fred wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 pm

Firstly... no one from fox has stated they think they paid overs. No one.

Secondly, there is more than just ratings as some have said. Afl viewers. There may be numerous things. As for ratings... no one here seems to agree and the nuances te ratings when things like when played at the same time, length of game (more minutes filled), more games per round, may be factors. I am sure all this is factored in. I think the afl support shows also rate very well and afl have a desecrated chennel for many years as a selling point. But whatever it is,,,, I’m sure this is all factored in... not just simple ratings .... is it a hugh difference anyway. But when you can fill more minutes surely that is a factor. Afl also has a much broader National reach. Let’s be real for once... rl outside nsw and qld is virtually non existent ... there are many people playing it or invested in it whereas Aussie rules has a significant presence ... just look at how many leagues and clubs are in nsw and qls compared to Rl clubs outside nsw and qld. That is simply a fact ... I know the usual suspects will try and deny this or try and twist this but we all know that is simply the reality.

So there are many factors that are likely taken into consideration when considering how much something is worth. Is this the first deal fox has had with the afl?

You would also have to wonder whether the afl demographic is more valuable ? Are afl viewers seen as bigger spenders, do the products they tend to buy attract better advertisers ... is showing an ad to an afl viewer more valuable than showing one to an nrl viewer. Is a certain age group more likely to watch afl than nrl ... and is that age group worth more (more likely to soend?).

Anyway....this is just to illustrate that straight out ratings may not be the only factor ... they are examples to illustrate a point so don’t take them literally.

So the points re: more minutes with a longer game and more games per round..... also high rating feeder shows and footy shows. Could these be reasons?

And the point about afl having a broader reach .

And what is the age demographic that mainly watch each sport... is the afl age demographic more valuable to advertisers? Many a high rating show has been axed due to attracting the over 50 market etc. some lower ratings shows attract high dollars due to the tweeny demographic.

pussycat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:57 am

Fred wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:20 pm

Fred wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 pm

Firstly... no one from fox has stated they think they paid overs. No one.

Secondly, there is more than just ratings as some have said. Afl viewers. There may be numerous things. As for ratings... no one here seems to agree and the nuances te ratings when things like when played at the same time, length of game (more minutes filled), more games per round, may be factors. I am sure all this is factored in. I think the afl support shows also rate very well and afl have a desecrated chennel for many years as a selling point. But whatever it is,,,, I’m sure this is all factored in... not just simple ratings .... is it a hugh difference anyway. But when you can fill more minutes surely that is a factor. Afl also has a much broader National reach. Let’s be real for once... rl outside nsw and qld is virtually non existent ... there are many people playing it or invested in it whereas Aussie rules has a significant presence ... just look at how many leagues and clubs are in nsw and qls compared to Rl clubs outside nsw and qld. That is simply a fact ... I know the usual suspects will try and deny this or try and twist this but we all know that is simply the reality.

So there are many factors that are likely taken into consideration when considering how much something is worth. Is this the first deal fox has had with the afl?

You would also have to wonder whether the afl demographic is more valuable ? Are afl viewers seen as bigger spenders, do the products they tend to buy attract better advertisers ... is showing an ad to an afl viewer more valuable than showing one to an nrl viewer. Is a certain age group more likely to watch afl than nrl ... and is that age group worth more (more likely to soend?).

Anyway....this is just to illustrate that straight out ratings may not be the only factor ... they are examples to illustrate a point so don’t take them literally.

So the points re: more minutes with a longer game and more games per round..... also high rating feeder shows and footy shows. Could these be reasons?

And the point about afl having a broader reach .

And what is the age demographic that mainly watch each sport... is the afl age demographic more valuable to advertisers? Many a high rating show has been axed due to attracting the over 50 market etc. some lower ratings shows attract high dollars due to the tweeny demographic.

So your quoting yourself now Fred? I guess tha'ts one way of getting someone to agree with you

They 've stated they paid to much. They've learnt from there mistakes and are no longer prepared to come even close.
And yes ratings, people prepared to pay there $25 dollars a month is the main factor .
By the AFL, reducing there actual game time for each match completely flies in the face of what you just wrote Fred. Its the dead set opposite.

NRL replays are far more popular on Fox. Mathew Johns is the highest paid personality on Fox .

So the demographics for Fox vary between NSW and Vic.?

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:23 pm

no doubt rl is bigger on fox, why wouldn't it be? AFL fans in all but Victoria have far less incentive with their side shown on FTA every week.

So what exactly does that prove? RL fans are worse off?

pussycat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:58 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:23 pm

no doubt rl is bigger on fox, why wouldn't it be? AFL fans in all but Victoria have far less incentive with their side shown on FTA every week.

So what exactly does that prove? RL fans are worse off?

Only what we already knew.
Higher Ratings on Fox,
Higher average ratings on Fox.
Higher ratings on FTA.
Higher ratings average on FTA :

Rugby League - Australia's most popular sport!

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:40 am

pussycat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:58 pm

NlolRL wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:23 pm

no doubt rl is bigger on fox, why wouldn't it be? AFL fans in all but Victoria have far less incentive with their side shown on FTA every week.

So what exactly does that prove? RL fans are worse off?

Only what we already knew.
Higher Ratings on Fox,
Higher average ratings on Fox.
Higher ratings on FTA.
Higher ratings average on FTA :

Rugby League - Australia's most popular sport!

Lol. Averages on fta are worthless when many AFL games are shown in one or 2 states only