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Real concerns for the NRL.

Ex-AFL and NRL powerbroker: why the AFL is so much better off
By Jake Niall
April 4, 2020

Graeme Samuel, the only man to have served on the commissions of both the AFL and NRL, has drawn a stark contrast between the "highly professional'' AFL's management that has helped the league to weather the current crisis compared with a "weakened'' and less professional NRL.

Samuel, the former head of the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission who was a long-serving influential AFL commissioner and then served as an NRL commissioner from 2013 until 2017, said the AFL had the financial structure and management to "protect itself'' in this crisis, but that the NRL had not yet reached the stage that the AFL did in 1992 of having "a professional governance structure'' and thus was in a weaker position.

Samuel, who quit the NRL commission in 2017 in frustration at what he viewed as rugby league's less evolved culture, pointed out that the AFL, by buying Marvel Stadium and establishing a genuinely independent commission to govern the code, was in a position to borrow and navigate the current financial crisis.

But the NRL, he said, had depleted the competition's "sustainability fund'' when clubs were in financial difficulty late in 2016, leaving rugby league's premier competition "in a weakened position to be able to deal with the current crisis''.

Samuel said the AFL's "impeccable'' administration and governance were coming to the fore now, but that the NRL was "clearly not in the same position'' as its rival code.

Samuel, who resigned from the NRL commission after disagreements with the direction under chairman John Grant – particularly over the ability of clubs to influence decisions – said unlike the AFL's governing body, which was independent of clubs, the NRL commission was "largely controlled by clubs''.

Samuel and another commissioner, Jeremy Smith, resigned from the NRL board, objecting to the commission allowing the clubs to raid the sustainability fund.

He said the AFL made its commission independent of clubs in 1992 via a report by David Crawford.

"The NRL is yet to get to that stage, although it set up its commission,'' Samuel told the Sunday Age and Sun-Herald.

"The commission is still one that has some of the relics of what the AFL had pre-1992, which is a commission which is largely controlled by the clubs and so you know it's still got to get to the stage of being a professional governance structure.''

Samuel said the AFL had been "the strongest financial based sporting competition'' in Australia since the '90s. "That is demonstrated now by its ability to protect itself in the context of the current crisis.''

He said the NRL experienced two financial crises, the first being Super League. The second was "at the end of 2016 and early 2017, because the clubs were in difficulty, the NRL committed its capital base, its sustainability fund, in a way that has left it in a weakened position to be able to deal with the current crisis.

"What the AFL has demonstrated is that it is a highly professional organisation, with impeccable administration and impeccable governance arrangements and that I think is showing through now.''

Samuel said the AFL's crucial financial decision was to sell Waverley Park and purchase what is now Marvel Stadium at the Docklands – decisions he was heavily involved in. He said the AFL (when the VFL) established a commission in the mid-1980s, had net assets of only $3 million and "half the clubs were bankrupt''.

"The AFL's financial coup was the setting up, you know, the structure that it set up to what was then Colonial Stadium and the subsequent sale of Waverley Park – that, you've got to remember in '84 or '85 when the commission was established ... That [$3 million] was the total net value of the league ... including $7 million value for Waverley Park ... and half the clubs were bankrupt.

"It's now in a position, where it's got in a stadium, that is worth, on any analysis, between three quarters and a billion dollars. And that's an extraordinary position to be in and that reflects the professional governance and professional administration of the league.''

Samuel said he did not know what the NRL had to do to survive. ''I just don't know. I don't know enough about the NRL and its financial affairs and the like to tell you what it's got to do. But you know it's clearly not in the same position as the AFL.''

Samuel, who called for a series of mergers between Melbourne clubs in 1995 and was a proponent of mergers in the '80s and '90s before recanting, said the AFL's ability to support weaker clubs, via a centralised administration, was a strength of the competition.

"That's part of the strength of the AFL, is that it's able to, you know, in normal circumstances, is able to sustain weaker clubs, those that don't have the strength of the Collingwoods and the Richmonds, the West Coast Eagles, and the Hawthorns.

"That's the great strength of the AFL and that's the role of the central body, is to maintain a successful, highly competitive competition, which is the ultimate aim to provide the passion for supporters and the entertainment for spectators. Which the AFL has managed to do.''

Samuel said the AFL's bank deal – it has a line of credit for $600 million, using Marvel Stadium as security – was "fantastic'' but he hoped the AFL did not need to use all that amount.

"I only hope they don't have to use it all because whatever debt you raise you've got to repay it all.''

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/ex-afl ... 54h3k.html


"One in every 24 Australians is now a member of an AFL club, a sign that the national reach of Australian football has never been greater," League CEO Gillon McLachlan said.
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something what all normal people already know, then you have the NRLOL fans who sit in denial about it!


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What crap are you on about now
No RL fans are in denial about how we have been mismanaged since the SL war .
Only getting their act together now
Why do you post utter shit ..


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Every time there is a new person in charge it is claimed that the NRL are only getting their house in order now.

I think what needs to happen, and as is said in the article, the commission needs to be fully independent. If this has happened then I would agree it is a move to improving but if not self-interest by the clubs will continue to be put first.


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:53 pm What crap are you on about now
No RL fans are in denial about how we have been mismanaged since the SL war .
Only getting their act together now
Why do you post utter shit ..
But but but so wars....That was 25 odd years ago

Every broadcast deal league apparently has their act together we are told :roll:


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Lol so you ignore your first load of bullshit with another
Lol at least you're predictable .


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 am Lol so you ignore your first load of bullshit with another
Lol at least you're predictable .
I know the truth hurts

Well the nrlol must be heading some where after managing to be approved for a bank loan at for knows what interest rates after being denied twice and laughed out of the bank A few yeses ago!


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So back to the bank loan deflection ..AGAIN .

Why do you post bullshit then run when shown its bullshit


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:49 pm So back to the bank loan deflection ..AGAIN .

Why do you post bullshit then run when shown its bullshit
because its all part of this shit NRL management that has - as ive seen said - been on since Superleague.


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The_Wookie wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:46 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:49 pm So back to the bank loan deflection ..AGAIN .

Why do you post bullshit then run when shown its bullshit
because its all part of this shit NRL management that has - as ive seen said - been on since Superleague.
Yes I know all about the NRL mismanagement .
RL fans have lived through it & complained about it for a long time
That post about the bank loan was deflecting from his previous load of crap saying RL fans are in denial about it .
Soon as he's caught out it's onto a new deflective post .


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I know its an embarrassing spore spot crapbot! but just deal with the patheticness of it all

we often hear about the SL wars like it was a bigger event than world war 2

the nrlol getting approved for a bank loan is actual progression! I mean they were denied multiple times in the past :lol:

the more amusing part was how long it took for you and other loons to acknowledge that :(/

so progress with the times crap bot! just as the nrlol are doing slowly but surely


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Another pile of crap .
Where have we denied mismanagement .
We havnt .
So try to post something that's close to the truth .
It'd make a nice change


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AFLcrap1 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:38 pm Another pile of crap .
Where have we denied mismanagement .
We havnt .
So try to post something that's close to the truth .
It'd make a nice change
I’m actually paying the nrlol management a compliment crapbot and congratulating them about their availability to obtain a loan! The interest rate hasn’t been stated but no doubt it would be rather high due to the nrlol being seen as a high risk after they were denied past 2 or maybe three occasions


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So you're deflecting from your earlier post where you once again were caught talking utter shit .
Please show where we are in denial about NRL management.
Off ya go .

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What post was that crapbot as you have been yelling at your monitor for a while now?


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