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it would be the stupidest move by the Super League in the past 20+ years
if they say no to Toronto.


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Lots of mixed messages out there..


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“Dream or Nightmare: A Tale of Toronto
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“Close the door now and we lose North America forever.” Ex-Director of football at Toronto Wolfpack Brian Noble joins Dave Woods to disuss whether the club has learned from the past and whether the new regime can deliver in the future.”

Big statement when Ottawa and New York are coming in..it was statements like that that turned a lot of the SL people off.


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Toronto Wolfpack exodus continues as prop Brad Singleton leaves the club
NEIL DAVIDSON
THE CANADIAN PRESS
PUBLISHED 7 HOURS AGO
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... eaves-the/

40/20 17/9/20
EXCLUSIVE: Majority of clubs OPPOSE Toronto Super League return
The majority of top level sides have made their feelings known as new owner aims to rescue Wolfpack.
https://forty20.news/exclusive-majority ... ue-return/


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Players union reaches agreement with Toronto Wolfpack on player salaries

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/pl ... -salaries/

Toronto Wolfpack reiterate player payment promise

https://www.totalrl.com/toronto-wolfpac ... t-promise/


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Should Toronto continue in Super League in 2021?

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/sh ... e-in-2021/

The key decisions on Toronto Wolfpack
MARTYN SADLER 18/09/2020
One of the unfortunate consequences of the creation of Super League as a separate body to administer the Super League competition is the bifurcation of decision making, which threatens to do great and irreparable damage to the game.

As I understand it, the Super League board, which consists of representatives of all the Super League clubs, has the right to decide how many clubs there will be in Super League.

But once that decision has been made, the RFL has the right to determine how the relevant number of clubs will be made up.

So if the Super League clubs want to exclude Toronto Wolfpack from the competition next year, they can simply decide that there will only be eleven clubs in Super League.

And that will be the end of the story.

On the other hand, if Super League decides there should be twelve clubs, the RFL will have the opportunity, as I understand it, to invite Toronto back into the competition.

The problem then is that the other Super League clubs may decide not to share any of their broadcast income with the Wolfpack club, which I think would stymie their application.

It’s hardly a secret that there is a major split in the game between Super League’s CEO Robert Elstone and his counterpart at the RFL, Ralph Rimmer, about the merits of Toronto coming back into Super League.

Elstone appears not to want them back, while Rimmer clearly sees the merit of having a North American team.

That split is even reflected in League Express, where you will see that my colleague Garry Schofield is opposed to the Wolfpack, while I am sympathetic to them.

The point is that, as I’ve written many times before, Rugby League in this country appears to be incapable of growing.

While other sports have shown spectacular growth in the number of clubs, participants, broadcast and sponsorship income and media recognition since Super League was created in 1996, we have made virtually no progress at all, other than bringing in the Catalans Dragons.

And who can doubt that the Catalans wouldn’t have been admitted if the Super League clubs had been making that decision prior to their entry in 2006. The decision at that time was made by the RFL and thank goodness it was.

So the question that has to be asked of the Super League clubs is this. Do you want a higher profile for your competition, both nationally and internationally? Or are you content to remain a small sport in a relatively small part of the country?

Is there any point in Super League expanding into North America?

No one loves the north of England more than I do, but I’m not blind to the fact that much of the world lies beyond the M62 corridor, or even West Cumbria.

Toronto is the largest city in Canada and is apparently the fourth largest city in the whole of North America. It is an international centre of business, finance, arts, and culture, and is recognised as one of the most multicultural and cosmopolitan cities in the world. And since 2017 it has had a Rugby League team, thanks to the financial investment of David Argyle, that has managed to be promoted into the top tier of Rugby League after only three years, while not sharing in any of the broadcast income generated by Rugby League and paying for its opponents to fly backwards and forwards from England to Canada.

The Wolfpack has cost the RFL and Super League virtually nothing while generating thousands of new Rugby League fans, many of whom now read this website and subscribe to League Express.

The idea that Rugby League shouldn’t take advantage of this opportunity, while recognising the problems that have arisen for the Wolfpack this year, seems absolutely crazy to me.

Does Canada add value to Super League?

The answer is surely yes, unless Super League is dumb enough to not be able to recognise a tremendous opportunity that is staring it in the face.

And it’s about time that the other Super League clubs recognised that refusing to share their broadcast income with the Wolfpack is a disgrace for a professional competition, which should surely be based on the equality of treatment of its competing clubs.

I’ve written numerous times about the crazy structure of Rugby League’s administration, whereby clubs can vote on the future of other clubs. That has to be a major conflict of interest.

How on earth did we get to this point, where the Super League clubs are prepared to turn their backs on a club that doesn’t actually cost them anything, but which gives untold potential for the international standing of the competition?

Sometimes Rugby League needs to be rescued from itself.


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Quolls2019 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:36 am https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/12 ... union-deal

Something doesn’t add up.
How so?


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$5 mill to SBW

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/rugby/rugby-t ... -1.5729569

"The deal will see all player payroll commitments for 2020 will be met in full by the incoming ownership group," the Wolfpack said in the release. "These liabilities, which are in excess of one million pounds ($1.77million), will ensure that all players suffer no loss in salary."

Missed wages piling up

A Wolfpack spokesman said the missed payroll currently totals 500,000 pounds ($885k). The one-million-pound figure represents the amount that will be owed players and staff come the end of the year.“

Not if the owe SWB that much
I have converted to $A.


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so stupid that SBW should be paid his 5million if Toronto continue.
surley a price reduction should be done. due to covid.


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Super League Management is so 1930's

They would rather have small teams like

Featherstone, Castleford, Salford

than teams like

London, Toulouse & Toronto.


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leeroy*NRL* wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:50 pm Super League Management is so 1930's

They would rather have small teams like

Featherstone, Castleford, Salford

than teams like

London, Toulouse & Toronto.
Not sure what you mean.
Catalan are there now.
London were in Super League until relegated...Toulouse are not too far away,
A couple of welsh teams...And another London side not forgetting Paris and the crusaders that went the way that Toronto May go.
Seems to me that they have tried some form of expanding for some time with Ottawa and New York On the way.

They have tried a no P/R system that wasn’t popular as it seems fans and teams prefer the almost standard English Sports scheme where every team has a chance of “greatness” even when they don’t.
Wouldn’t work for the two major codes here as the gap is now far too large but for union and soccer (again) it may be feasible.


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Quolls2019 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:55 pm
leeroy*NRL* wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:50 pm Super League Management is so 1930's

They would rather have small teams like

Featherstone, Castleford, Salford

than teams like

London, Toulouse & Toronto.
Not sure what you mean.
Catalan are there now.
London were in Super League until relegated...Toulouse are not too far away,
A couple of welsh teams...And another London side not forgetting Paris and the crusaders that went the way that Toronto May go.
Seems to me that they have tried some form of expanding for some time with Ottawa and New York On the way.

They have tried a no P/R system that wasn’t popular as it seems fans and teams prefer the almost standard English Sports scheme where every team has a chance of “greatness” even when they don’t.
Wouldn’t work for the two major codes here as the gap is now far too large but for union and soccer (again) it may be feasible.
teams that get relegated in the Super League are not like English Premier League.
the funds are not there to grow. a lot of clubs that fall never recover and stay in League 1 and 2

English Rugby league should get rid of relegation as the teams can not afford for this happen.
they should move to expanding the main competition and growing from there.

Than your lower div teams are there for grassroots and lower rank comps.


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From 1998 to 2000 & 2009 to 2013 there was no relegation in super league, Expansion clubs failed, support decreased and the sport generally suffered. Of the clubs that have been relegated only expansion clubs no longer exist.
And some of the clubs relegated have won promotion afterwards.
London Broncos
Huddersfield
Salford
Castleford
Hull KR
Widnes
Leigh
Some relegated again, others not, but they all still exist.


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