Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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Oh dear . So all the negative rants by hanky head pre election with BEA cheering him on were just a conspiracy theory .
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Who is hanky head?

And again, the pattern of any article being rejected based o. The paper, journalist, or organisation. It comes from being biased in some way is almost folk lore on this site. You can predict it.


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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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Fred wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:03 am
Who is hanky head?

And again, the pattern of any article being rejected based o. The paper, journalist, or organisation. It comes from being biased in some way is almost folk lore on this site. You can predict it.


The voice of reason in all this stadium building debate seems to be hated by many league cheerleaders.


NRL's new pitch for stadium cash is so greedy it's offensive
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Peter FitzSimons
Columnist and author
June 3, 2020

Thank you, thank you all. Or at least most of you ...

After the NSW government finally bowed to sanity and announced it would no longer spend $800 million or so turning the Olympic Stadium from an oval to a rectangle, I have – given I’ve been a tad noisy on the insanity of that very thing – received many congratulatory emails and texts. I blush. No, really.

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ANZ Stadium will not be getting an $800 million overhaul after all.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

I take it as half a victory only – as what had been a perfectly fine Sydney Football Stadium is now a hole in the ground, and the Gummint is proceeding with plans to spend the better part of a billion dollars on its replacement.

Under the circumstances – of the plague and post-plague pressure on budgets across the board – you might think the NRL would leave it at that. You know, it has fought the good fight, won two-thirds of the battle and will have two new stadiums at taxpayers’ expense, with Parramatta Stadium and the new Sydney Football Stadium to show for its trouble. So leave it at that?

No, not a bit of it.

For it doesn’t take much gorging on public largesse before it becomes your favourite dish, and the NRL wants the government – read we taxpayers – to cough up another few hundred-million dollars from the $800 million saved so it can refurbish some “boutique stadiums”, revamping Brookvale and Leichhardt ovals, etc.

A moment’s pause while the professional cheerleaders for rugby league have their say.

“What a great idea!” “GENIUS!” “Just a win-win, isn’t it?”

Of course it’s a great idea if you judge it purely from the point of view of rugby league. What industry in the country wouldn’t be doing cartwheels if they received the news that, despite paying no tax on their business, taxpayers might be obliged to fork over yet more money to build their business infrastructure?

If I was making widgets and paying no tax on every widget made, and I got the news that after already giving me, free of charge, two of the biggest widget-makers money could buy, the government was going to put hundreds of millions of dollars into buying me some slightly smaller widget-makers for the suburbs, I’d be pretty pleased, too. And if I was a professional commentator on the art of widget-making, I’d also enthuse on the virtues of such a spend. That is, unless I had a life beyond widget-making and realised there are so many more things deserving of government expenditure that it might be better to shut the hell up.

A real response, however, is a little more nuanced and a little more cognisant of the fact other factors – like economic sanity and base-level decency – should be observed.

So here is the short answer.

No, you greedy bastards!

I’ll never know what hold you had on this government to get them over the line for the first two stadiums, but please – so we can all get some sleep – leave it at that. And do not give us the usual soft-sell that such a spend will help the economy, and that the public and other sports will benefit too. We’ve heard it all before.

By all means the government should spend on infrastructure in these difficult times. But do you think it might be time that schools, hospitals, local sporting organisations and regional NSW got a look in? Or does it always have to be rugby league first in line?

As for other sports using it, please. Right now rugby union crowds could fit into a phone booth and not know the difference. And when we in rugby do have big matches, like a Bledisloe, we don’t need Leichhardt. The Olympic Stadium is fine. For smaller matches, why would we go to Brookvale Oval, when North Sydney Oval is more central to the wider mob and already beloved?

But, say what?

You of the NRL are threatening to take your grand final elsewhere if the government doesn’t write the cheque for three or four new stadiums? Great. I’ll call the cab while you finish packing your bags. Where are you off to with the grand final anyway?

Melbourne? Perth? Brisbane?

If you locked in the grand final to Melbourne and it ended up being played between the Cowboys and Broncos, do you think you’d get the MCG a third full or half full? And if it was in Brisbane between the Raiders and the Storm, what then? Any chance in hell you’d fill it?

But look, good luck with it. TAXI!

Enough.

After we taxpayers have paid for rugby league to have two state-of-the-art stadiums – even though this was against all economic advice, even by the government’s admission – the idea that we should also pay for three or four boutique stadiums is so absurd it is offensive.

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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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Beaussie wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:47 am
Fred wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:03 am
Who is hanky head?

And again, the pattern of any article being rejected based o. The paper, journalist, or organisation. It comes from being biased in some way is almost folk lore on this site. You can predict it.


The voice of reason in all this stadium building debate seems to be hated by many league cheerleaders.


NRL's new pitch for stadium cash is so greedy it's offensive
Image
Peter FitzSimons
Columnist and author
June 3, 2020

Thank you, thank you all. Or at least most of you ...

After the NSW government finally bowed to sanity and announced it would no longer spend $800 million or so turning the Olympic Stadium from an oval to a rectangle, I have – given I’ve been a tad noisy on the insanity of that very thing – received many congratulatory emails and texts. I blush. No, really.

Image
ANZ Stadium will not be getting an $800 million overhaul after all.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

I take it as half a victory only – as what had been a perfectly fine Sydney Football Stadium is now a hole in the ground, and the Gummint is proceeding with plans to spend the better part of a billion dollars on its replacement.

Under the circumstances – of the plague and post-plague pressure on budgets across the board – you might think the NRL would leave it at that. You know, it has fought the good fight, won two-thirds of the battle and will have two new stadiums at taxpayers’ expense, with Parramatta Stadium and the new Sydney Football Stadium to show for its trouble. So leave it at that?

No, not a bit of it.

For it doesn’t take much gorging on public largesse before it becomes your favourite dish, and the NRL wants the government – read we taxpayers – to cough up another few hundred-million dollars from the $800 million saved so it can refurbish some “boutique stadiums”, revamping Brookvale and Leichhardt ovals, etc.

A moment’s pause while the professional cheerleaders for rugby league have their say.

“What a great idea!” “GENIUS!” “Just a win-win, isn’t it?”

Of course it’s a great idea if you judge it purely from the point of view of rugby league. What industry in the country wouldn’t be doing cartwheels if they received the news that, despite paying no tax on their business, taxpayers might be obliged to fork over yet more money to build their business infrastructure?

If I was making widgets and paying no tax on every widget made, and I got the news that after already giving me, free of charge, two of the biggest widget-makers money could buy, the government was going to put hundreds of millions of dollars into buying me some slightly smaller widget-makers for the suburbs, I’d be pretty pleased, too. And if I was a professional commentator on the art of widget-making, I’d also enthuse on the virtues of such a spend. That is, unless I had a life beyond widget-making and realised there are so many more things deserving of government expenditure that it might be better to shut the hell up.

A real response, however, is a little more nuanced and a little more cognisant of the fact other factors – like economic sanity and base-level decency – should be observed.

So here is the short answer.

No, you greedy bastards!

I’ll never know what hold you had on this government to get them over the line for the first two stadiums, but please – so we can all get some sleep – leave it at that. And do not give us the usual soft-sell that such a spend will help the economy, and that the public and other sports will benefit too. We’ve heard it all before.

By all means the government should spend on infrastructure in these difficult times. But do you think it might be time that schools, hospitals, local sporting organisations and regional NSW got a look in? Or does it always have to be rugby league first in line?

As for other sports using it, please. Right now rugby union crowds could fit into a phone booth and not know the difference. And when we in rugby do have big matches, like a Bledisloe, we don’t need Leichhardt. The Olympic Stadium is fine. For smaller matches, why would we go to Brookvale Oval, when North Sydney Oval is more central to the wider mob and already beloved?

But, say what?

You of the NRL are threatening to take your grand final elsewhere if the government doesn’t write the cheque for three or four new stadiums? Great. I’ll call the cab while you finish packing your bags. Where are you off to with the grand final anyway?

Melbourne? Perth? Brisbane?

If you locked in the grand final to Melbourne and it ended up being played between the Cowboys and Broncos, do you think you’d get the MCG a third full or half full? And if it was in Brisbane between the Raiders and the Storm, what then? Any chance in hell you’d fill it?

But look, good luck with it. TAXI!

Enough.

After we taxpayers have paid for rugby league to have two state-of-the-art stadiums – even though this was against all economic advice, even by the government’s admission – the idea that we should also pay for three or four boutique stadiums is so absurd it is offensive.

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Poor 'ol beatup's in the trenches with FitzIdiot lolololoololol!!!!!!!! They reckon you can tell the character of a person by the company they keep. I think we've got beatup pegged lololololololo!!!!!!!



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Wow check this out. Tony Shepherd chairman of GWS and SCG Trust will now lead the stadium management for all major stadiums in NSW.


Tony Shepherd
Chairman of the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust, the AFL's GWS Giants, subscription television association ASTRA and adviser to Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ. Former president of the Business Council of Australia and former chairman of the National Commission of Audit, the NSW WestConnex Delivery Authority, Macquarie Specialised Asset Management and Transfield Services.


SCG Trust powers expanded to include all stadiums
By Alexandra Smith
June 23, 2020

The powerful Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust will have control of all the state's stadiums as part of a new super agency to run NSW's sporting and entertainment venues.

Businessman and the chair of the SCG Trust Tony Shepherd will lead the body, to be created through a merger with Venues NSW, the government agency responsible for all stadiums including ANZ.

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SCG Trust chair Tony Shepherd will be the new chair of a super agency responsible for all the state's stadiums.CREDIT:JAMES BRICKWOOD

Sydney Olympics mastermind and SCG Trust deputy chair Rod McGeoch will be deputy chair of the new body and members of the board are likely to include radio broadcaster Alan Jones and Venues NSW chair Christine McLoughlin.

Mr Shepherd, who had planned to stand down as chair of the SCG Trust when his term expires in October, said the agency would put NSW "in a very strong position" for world class events.

"When we have the new Sydney Football Stadium, as well as ANZ and Bankwest at Parramatta, we will have the best stadiums in the country and this will put us in a strong position to bid for international tournaments in men and women's sport," Mr Shepherd said.

He said this could include the 2027 Rugby World Cup as well as major concerts.

"This is timely because COVID gave us time to pause and think and the Premier called this and she has absolutely made the right decision because this will make a big difference," Mr Shepherd said.

The merger comes after the Berejiklian government last month dumped its plan to redevelop ANZ Stadium and will redirect the $800 million saving to a new $3 billion infrastructure and job fund.

A new super trust, which would have included the SCG Trust, was announced by former premier Mike Baird in 2015 when he unveiled plans to spend $1.6 billion upgrading stadiums.

But in 2017, the state government reneged on the commitment to combine the SCG Trust with other organisations that run publicly owned sporting grounds and it remained a standalone entity.

Acting sports minister Geoff Lee said the new body, which is yet to be named, would attract blockbuster events and drive economic activity.

"This merger is about placing NSW in the best possible position to attract the most exciting
and sought after events so the entire state can benefit from the economic stimulation," he said.

"We have made the investment in stadiums and infrastructure which are the envy of the
world and now it’s time to ensure we get maximum returns."

An interim advisory board will oversee the development of the operating model for the body, and will include long-standing board members of the SCG Trust and Venues NSW.

The Trust, which manages the Moore Park sporting precinct, including the SCG and the Allianz Stadium site, has a reputation as one of Sydney’s most powerful institutions and exclusive clubs.

Other members of the high-powered SCG Trust board include former News Corp chairman John Hartigan and former Deutsche Bank and ABC chairman Maurice Newman.

All Venues NSW and SCG Trust contracts, agreements and membership entitlements with sporting codes, clubs, partners and members would "be honoured and preserved by the merged entity".

But Labor's sports spokeswoman Lynda Voltz said the merger was "too little, too late".

She said the Berejiklian government had ignored a key finding in a 2015 report into Sydney's sporting venues by former NSW Liberal leader John Brodgen.

"The Brogden report recommended [a super trust] be the first step in the stadium strategy, which would underpin Mike Baird's announcement that ANZ Stadium be the first to be redeveloped," Ms Voltz said.

"The failure to put the SCG Trust in Venues NSW from the beginning has led to the outcome we have today which is ANZ Stadium is not being redeveloped and the Sydney Football Stadium is."

The creation of the body was approved by NSW cabinet on Monday.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/scg ... 555bm.html


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Wow indeed beatup!!!! I guess you're hyperventilating because an AFL fanboy is in charge and you think your fave game may in some way benefit. I'd probably calm down a tad pal!!!! Here is what Shepherd said:

""When we have the new Sydney Football Stadium, as well as ANZ and Bankwest at Parramatta, we will have the best stadiums in the country and this will put us in a strong position to bid for international tournamentsin men and women's sport,"

Yep. International sport pal!!!!!! He ain't talking about the fumbling game!!!!!!! He's talking Rugby, Rugby League & soccer internationals. He also said "when we have the new.............ANZ........." This would suggest ANZ will still be rebuilt in rectangular fashion at some time in the future to cater for these international tournaments!!!!!

Take a chill pill pal. I'll be ok!!!!!!



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Terry wrote:
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Wow indeed beatup!!!! I guess you're hyperventilating because an AFL fanboy is in charge and you think your fave game may in some way benefit. I'd probably calm down a tad pal!!!! Here is what Shepherd said:

""When we have the new Sydney Football Stadium, as well as ANZ and Bankwest at Parramatta, we will have the best stadiums in the country and this will put us in a strong position to bid for international tournamentsin men and women's sport,"

Yep. International sport pal!!!!!! He ain't talking about the fumbling game!!!!!!! He's talking Rugby, Rugby League & soccer internationals. He also said "when we have the new.............ANZ........." This would suggest ANZ will still be rebuilt in rectangular fashion at some time in the future to cater for these international tournaments!!!!!

Take a chill pill pal. I'll be ok!!!!!!
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“Terry” wrote:“When we have the new Sydney Football Stadium, as well as ANZ and Bankwest at Parramatta, we will have the best stadiums in the country and this will put us in a strong position to bid for international tournamentsin men and women's sport,"

Yep. International sport pal!!!!!! He ain't talking about the fumbling game!!!!!!! He's talking Rugby, Rugby League & soccer internationals. He also said "when we have the new.............ANZ........." This would suggest ANZ will still be rebuilt in rectangular fashion at some time in the future to cater for these international tournaments!!!!!

Take a chill pill pal. I'll be ok!!!!!!
Ah where does Shepherd mention a NEW ANZ Stadium?

Again:
"When we have the new Sydney Football Stadium, as well as ANZ and Bankwest at Parramatta, we will have the best stadiums in the country and this will put us in a strong position to bid for international tournaments in men and women's sport," Mr Shepherd said.
Learn to comprehend what is actually stated and reported pal. :roll:


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Lol.


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Fred wrote:
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Lol.
Good on ya Freddo.....probably your most significant contribution for many a long day pal!!!!!!! Well done!!!!



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Lol. Terry I’m concerned ... you May be losing it lol. Lighten up champ.


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Fred wrote:
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Lol. Terry I’m concerned ... you May be losing it lol. Lighten up champ.
Na pal................all over it!!!! Unlike you .................who can't lose what ya never had!!!!!!!



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Oh my. Bad week ?


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