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Yes I have and you haven't backed it up with proof. You have no right to demand that I go look it up, because it is YOU who made the claim. It is up to you to back it up. You are trying to bully me into doing your biding and I'm fighting against it. If that's bullying in your eyes then you should back track and look at what led to this to begin with.
TO understand just how close the Panthers came to crumbling to the ground, you really can't go past Phil Gould's first meeting to persuade Ivan Cleary to coach the Penrith side.

Instead of the big sell he withdrew the offer before he had even made the offer.

"I can't do it," Gould told him. "I'm sorry, but I can't offer you the job because I don't know if we're going to exist."

Days earlier, Panthers Group chief executive Warren Wilson had stood in his office at the back of the club's enormous premises on Mulgoa Rd and scratched his head.

He'd stepped onto the Panthers grand final Harbour cruise in early October 2011 and stepped off it as the Group's new saviour, but here he was a month or so later wondering which bill from a pile of many to pay.

"We were days away from liquidation," he says, ominously. "In the short-term, the football was the least of our concerns."

Buckling and twisting beneath an unfathomable debt of $90 million, the Panthers' fate could not have been any clearer.

"We were gone," says Gould.

This isn't the story about the Panthers turning the corner. It's about how they are getting there, inch by inch. More than that, it's about how close they all came to having no corner at all.


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It's about how the heartbreaking loss of some local juniors in Luke Lewis and Michael Jennings wasn't really heartbreaking but fundamental to survival for the first grade side.

It's about how Cleary and even Gould himself are committed to staying in the long-term, because that's how far Penrith are looking ahead.

And above all that, it is about how the best legal and financial expertise billionaire James Packer's money can buy - and a lot of that, too - dragged the Panthers back from the precipice of oblivion.

"People can find a hundred reasons why we should have held on to those players, be it their ability or whatever," says Gould of the departures of Jennings, Lewis and others. "We're not dumb: we know all those reasons, too. But we decided to do it anyway, so our reasons must have been very strong. And that's pretty much what people have to trust. We don't make those decisions lightly. We've done it with the best long-term interests of the club in mind, and that is like every decision we make."

Then he says this: "It took a few months for me to realise the precarious position we were in. I often wonder what would've happened if our chairman Don Feltis and his board hadn't have made some tough decisions before I got here. There wouldn't have been a club to save."

Nobody, except for those within, ever really knew how dire the situation was.

Falling drink and food revenues, poker machine tax, smoking bans and previous mismanagement were all to blame for Panthers Group eyeballing $90 million in debt.

When creditor ING sold the debt to the Torchlight Group, the Panthers were suddenly given limited time to pay.


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Gould's friendship with Packer extends back to the 1990s, when he coached the Roosters. He handed the club's financials over to billionaire's best business and legal minds, hoping to learn where the Panthers stood - and how to dig themselves out of it.

The pathway out of it involved selling off four of the licensed clubs the group owned, even if some had been turning a profit. "We had no choice," Wilson says.

Critically, it also came down to Packer providing a deposit on the debt. How much? Gould describes it as "millions of dollars".

"There is no getting away from the fact that the enormous assistance given to us by James Packer was crucial in our survival," he says. "He didn't have to do that, but we're deeply indebted to him. It's a great show of friendship that he and I share."

Just as the Panthers Group had to sell off its assets to survive, so did the football club in its bid to be competitive.

The financial pressures on one side of Mulgoa Road were felt on the other at Centrebet Stadium, where the football department was unloved and under-resourced.

"Mulgoa Rd may as well have been the Grand Canyon," Wilson says.
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The_Wookie wrote:
TLPG wrote:
The_Wookie wrote:
TLPG wrote:
Yes I have and you haven't backed it up with proof. You have no right to demand that I go look it up, because it is YOU who made the claim. It is up to you to back it up. You are trying to bully me into doing your biding and I'm fighting against it. If that's bullying in your eyes then you should back track and look at what led to this to begin with.
I have EVERY right to demand you provide proof, when you havent even looked at the references.
What references?? That's the whole point! You never linked any! Your statements wouldn't last five seconds on Wikipedia because of the lack of online citations.
Have you even read the OP? FFs. We've been doing this for three days now AND YOU HAVENT EVEN READ THE REFERENCES
You said look up the Penrith annual report. Is that the link in the OP? NO!

Link the annual report!

And thank you, League, for the back up! The two are SEPERATE! (Panthers Group and the Penrith RLFC)
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Fuck you.
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I second that! Show the report, Chewbacca!
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Hey Wookie are these most recent club reports?

Only reason i am asking is because Parra leagues now has the WSW mob heading into the club during the summer months, the revenue would have nearly doubled overnight in the year the WSW entered the Aleague.


BTW you cannot expect us good folk to believe that GWS and Gold coast are turning a profit.......................mate these figures can only be BS.

GWS larger revenue then other NRL and AFL clubs ffs please explain?
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http://www.canterbury.com.au/sites/defa ... report.pdf

Canterbury bulldogs

Revenue 89million in 2013
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eelofwest wrote:
http://www.canterbury.com.au/sites/defa ... report.pdf

Canterbury bulldogs

Revenue 89million in 2013
cheers, added to the source list. (which no one read apparently)
So no membership numbers on report and you keep them of the list? Is that what your doing?


Have a look at the Club president (Mr G Proponis) who everyone in the rugby league community knows is linked to the Dogs.

So NRL 1 and 2 on that list.

Canterbury easily around the 93million mark for revenue with Memberships included.
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http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_pag ... 2149&pID=7

Have a look at this site, i am sure you can make a link between the Bulldogs and the canterbury league club.

Go to the Bulldog tab and there is a direct link to the Canterbury leagues club.

All your doing is keeping a big club of the list on a technicality because it suits your position.

No memberships/merch etc on report just means the bulldogs are even larger then the report reveals.

The Leagues club site has a Bulldogs symbol in the top right corner, it is clearly part of the Bulldogs.
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... zqvzi.html

Bulldogs get six-star approval for $100 million redevelopment


Canterbury chairman George Peponis prides his board on serving rugby league and the Canterbury-Bankstown community. Photo: Robert Pearce
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33A2KUfj0

Wookie if you do not want this thread to loose all cred you need to add the Bulldogs to the list..............................your call.
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eelofwest wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... zqvzi.html

Bulldogs get six-star approval for $100 million redevelopment


Canterbury chairman George Peponis prides his board on serving rugby league and the Canterbury-Bankstown community. Photo: Robert Pearce
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33A2KUfj0

Wookie if you do not want this thread to loose all cred you need to add the Bulldogs to the list..............................your call.

This...
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The_Wookie wrote:
again from my last post:

Canterbury arent on the list, because I hadnt found the report at the time I put the OP up, not because im deliberately excluding it. Ill be making some edits tonight.

Theres a reason the title says prelim. Im always open to more source material, I know its not all here, and Im not willing to pay for the records from ASIC.
Yeah okay fair enough, sorry i am juggling NBA conference finals breakfast at 12 lol and looking for annual reports all at once.
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eelofwest wrote:
http://www.canterbury.com.au/sites/defa ... report.pdf

Canterbury bulldogs

Revenue 89million in 2013
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74,871,474 in gaming

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Dunno, how bout you put in all the clubs from the afl that consistently outrate the real Bulldogs on TV?
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Dunno, how bout you put in all the clubs from the afl that consistently outrate the real Bulldogs on TV?
CANTERBURY legend Steve Mortimer says the Bulldogs will overtake Collingwood as the biggest club sporting brand in Australia within a few years.
Mortimer believes the Ryan Tandy issue the Bulldogs have been dealing with during the off-season will not hurt them on or off the field, and that the road to the club maximising its potential will be opened by the establishment of league's independent commission.
''There's no reason the Bulldogs can't grow to become bigger than the most popular AFL club,'' Mortimer said yesterday. ''I believe there are several NRL clubs - the Dragons, Rabbitohs and Eels are the others - with the potential to do that.
''But I'm convinced, from seeing how strong the Bulldogs brand has become and watching how the club operates, that they will do it first, and that it will happen within three to five years.''
Mortimer's confidence when it comes to the club's future is shared by big punters, whom the Herald recently reported had backed the Bulldogs to win more than $1.3 million with several bookmakers if they take out this year's premiership.
The Herald approached Mortimer and another former captain of the club, Steve Price, to ask them if the Tandy issue had the potential to be a distraction to the club's premiership campaign, or whether the club's proven ability to overcome off-field drama and win would remain true.
Mortimer took over as chief executive of the Bulldogs after the club was caught cheating the salary cap in 2002, and were stripped of 37 competition points at a time when they were leading the competition late in the season. The club bounced back to reach the grand final qualifier the following season.
Price was entering his final year at the Bulldogs when the club became embroiled in the Coffs Harbour alleged sexual assault scandal in 2004. They emerged from that to go on and beat Sydney Roosters in the grand final.
Tandy was last week charged with giving false or misleading evidence to a NSW Crime Commission hearing. The commission had become involved as an extension of an investigation by the Police Racing and Casino Investigation Unit into suspicious betting activity surrounding the Cowboys-Bulldogs game late last season.
The Bulldogs reacted by standing Tandy down while the matter goes through the courts, and on Monday, the club's chief executive, Todd Greenberg, coach Kevin Moore and captain Andrew Ryan presented a united front as they fielded questions from the media.
Mortimer said at the time that he supported the club's decision, and Price, when asked yesterday what he thought about it, said it was the only way the club could have gone.
''Todd made the best decision for the club,'' Price said. ''He has shown he is a great leader. Dramas happen at a club, from time to time, and you've got to handle them well enough to still give your team a chance to perform. The club didn't dodge the issue, and I was very impressed with the way they handled the media conference. I'm certain they can move on and play to their potential this season.''
The players have since put their heads down and are getting on with the job of preparing for the competition. People like to describe the way they, and other clubs, react to drama as ''siege mentality'', but Price said it was not like that. ''You don't go into lockdown,'' he said. ''The club says what needs to be said, and then the players just focus on training and playing. There's nothing more to be said in such circumstances.''
The Bulldogs finished 13th last season, but recruited better than most other clubs in preparation for this season, with signings including forwards Frank Pritchard, Greg Eastwood and Aiden Tolman, and halves Trent Hodkinson and Kris Keating. Mortimer likes the line-up. ''I'm excited,'' he said. ''They've got a really good chance of doing well this year.''
The AFL has already been governed by a commission for 25 years, but Mortimer was adamant that once the league's commission was in place it could catch up quickly.
''The AFL has done a great job. It's a class act,'' he said. ''But rugby league is the better product, and the commission will open new doors to revenue-raising on our game's behalf. The old way of clubs surviving through grants from leagues clubs is no longer the focus. Now it's about increased sponsorship, membership drives and the upcoming TV-rights negotiations.''
Greenberg said there were no limits to what the Bulldogs could achieve, on and off the field.
''We've set ourselves some lofty expectations in the last couple of years, and we've met those,'' he said.


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He has a point, both Parra and the Bulldogs have as good and in some cases when the eels are doing well even bigger TV audiences than that almighty collington. They have the ppl watching, they need to convert them to bums on seats at the games.

My team takes a game to SA and gets 50k when for all of their existence, they have got around 20k for this same fixture at Parra. That's shows that if teams like the eels start taking bigger matches to the bigger stadiums, they too can get big crowds. In the next few years we are going to see a big shift in where games are played and the numbers turning up.

As I said before, when my team last had a good run in 2009, they had no where near the games collington had on FTA shown nation wide yet my team had more people watch them on TV that year. You work it out.
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