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Re: one city , one state , one country

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That's all well and good folks. Thanks for taking the time to bundle up some half baked stats and present them here for us all.

daves point still stands though, the figures he presented are quite startling.
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Re: one city , one state , one country

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It’s true that the AFL is still heavily weighted towards Victoria, but in terms of crowds it is doing well across the country. Even so, I find the topic of the OP an interesting one and worth discussing.

Consider the following comparisons in relation to season 2013 so far (at time of posting there is still one NRL game to come in round 17):

49 of 125 NRL games have been played outside of NSW
63 of 126 AFL games have been played outside of VIC

Non-NSW NRL crowd aggregate = 834,905
Non-VIC AFL crowd aggregate = 1,491,355

Non-NSW NRL crowd average = 17,039
Non-VIC AFL crowd average = 23,672

The following comparison shows number of games, crowd aggregate and crowd average by code for each state, territory, country and overall so far this season:

NSW: AFL 11 games, 202,668 (18,426); NRL 76 games, 1,172,318 (15,425)
VIC: AFL 63 games, 2,687,210 (42,654); NRL 9 games, 146,825 (16,314)
QLD: AFL 14 games, 246,817 (17,630); NRL 23 games, 454,148 (19,746)
SA: AFL 14 games, 417,174 (29,798); NRL N/A
WA: AFL 14 games, 506,810 (36,201); NRL 1 game, 20,221 (20,221)
TAS: AFL 5 games, 62,414 (12,483); NRL N/A
ACT: AFL 3 games, 25,056 (8,352); NRL 7 games, 73,346 (10,478)
NT: AFL 1 game, 7,850 (7,850); NRL 1 game, 8,050 (8,050)
NZ: AFL 1 game, 22,546 (22,546); NRL 8 games, 132,315 (16,539)
OVERALL: AFL 126 games, 4,178,565 (33,163); NRL 125 games, 2,007,223 (16,058)

Strictly in terms of attendance figures, I would make the following observations:

* The AFL is outdrawing the NRL by a ratio of about 2:1, but by international standards both codes are doing well.

* The NRL's heartland (NSW/QLD) is weaker than the AFL heartland (VIC/SA/WA).

* The AFL is doing well in QLD, where its average crowd is not far off the NRL average. True, there have been more NRL games, but the difference is not that large (23 NRL games compared with 14 for AFL).

* Clearly, the AFL is furthest behind in NSW. Although its average crowd marginally exceeds the NRL average, this is based on a relatively tiny number of games (11 games compared with 76). The AFL average in Sydney is likely to get a boost due to remaining games including Swans v GWS (SCG), Swans v Collingwood (ANZ), Swans v Hawthorn (ANZ), but again the average will be based on a small number of games.

* The NRL is doing well in VIC and NZ in addition to its traditional heartlands.

* AFL is very strong in its heartland, which includes not just VIC but also WA and SA. Notice, in particular, that WA's AFL crowd aggregate exceeds QLD's NRL crowd aggregate with fewer games (14 < 23), and SA's AFL crowd aggregate is not far off either, also with only 14 games. In terms of average crowds, AFL in WA, SA and VIC is ahead of NRL in NSW and QLD.

* There is an element of truth in the OP, though, in the sense that VIC punches above its weight for the AFL, whereas NSW punches about at its weight for the NRL. VIC accounts for 50% of games but 64% of the AFL crowd aggregate, whereas NSW accounts for 61% of games and 58% of the crowd aggregate. Looking at the other regions, in the AFL, SA and WA punch at their weight (22% of games, 22% of crowds), whereas NSW and QLD punch significantly below their weight (20% of games, 11% of crowds). The swans and lions, of course, currently punch much closer to their weight than the giants and suns. In the NRL, QLD punches above its weight (18% of games, 23% of crowds), and the rest (NZ, VIC, ACT, etc.) almost punch at their weight (21% of games, 19% of crowds).

* I don't see this last point as a weakness for the AFL. It is not as if crowds in the non-VIC heartland of SA and WA are weak. To the contrary, they are strong. It is just that VIC's crowds are pretty incredible. This can only be a plus for the code.

* None of this is to deny that the AFL has a long way to go in NSW and QLD, especially western Sydney. Nor is it to deny the strides that the NRL are making, especially in VIC and NZ, and its potential for growth in WA.
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Re: one city , one state , one country

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King-Eliagh wrote:
What is this pop quiz for dummies?

The larger percentage of people in SA, WA and Tassie prefer marngrook to Rugby League. You like dem apples swines?
KE - if those cities had stadiums with capacities for 80k that would then be the test would it not - to say oh look no where else but Melb do you get 80 k games therefore the game can only be popular in that state is not a good argument - both SA and WA do have approx 40k stadiums and they both have sell out's for AF at those venues - to ignore that is really trying to twist things for he's argument - now as was pointed out to him if he does that he then can't turn around and say that Brisbane different rules apply because they have had 6 50k crowds - it's his argument after all, he is constantly setting parameters for AF then choosing to ignore those same parameters for RL. To agree with his argument is to do the same!
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